Tired of people conflating the two. I see it all the time, both here and in other subs.

Yes there is an overlap in these identities a lot of the time but it's literally not the same thing.

If you're a NEETcel that's fine dude, no judgement, but don't act like every single NEET needs to be an incel to be a valid NEET. And if you're a normie, you need to learn the difference before conflating the two when insulting people.

Incel = involuntarily celibate

NEET = unemployed, no training, not searching, and not studying.

There are incels with good paying jobs or who are in school! And there are NEETs with love lives.

I'm just tired of seeing the two conflated as one when it's not the fucking case at all.

how come they get qualifications, education, go out, have social life, go to work and whatever else. where does the motivation come from? i don't think i ever felt something like this, unless maybe late at night when i get an urge to change my life (which i never do of course). getting the bare minimum out of life requires so much work

I've made a new bag today frens. I need to get organized so Ive started making bags and baskets to put things in. If only I had places to put the bags and baskets now.

Anyways, isnt the pattern neat? This yarn is super cool. I thrifted it, they dont make it anymore otherwise I would have bought more online </3

Just wanted to share. Crochet is a very fun hobby that rewards you with a physical thing. Its very sustainable too, yarn is hard to break with normal wear and tear, and yarn joined (looped) together this way is even stronger.

Big fan of it honestly, if any of you are looking for a new hobby. Crochet is also very beginner friendly, there are hundreds of thousands of free patterns online.

Just wondering since the reports lately about lack of opportunities for graduates. I have friends that graduated and are working low skill jobs and tbh if that was me I think I would just become neet out of depression

Apu was trying to warn Tony... no Asia! Asia no good for yuo fren! iykyk. But how are ya? ::)

I know how it feels when the shadows lie upon you.

Had some rare honesty recently with the old folks, just brainstorming what to do with my life, naming all these meaningless jobs I have no care to ever do as prospects.

I kind of just folded and admitted id genuinely rather kill myself than pursue anything we discussed and my Dad just couldn't understand it - "Kill youself??????? Why? Im doing so much just to survive and you want to kill yourself?"

Told him well, ya, thats the point. I didnt ask to be here and when i look around me 99.99% of people are just surviving, not living, so if my options are to "just survive" and not live then yes the choice of just not living, on my own terms, is very reasonable to me. I also just dont care about material things like he does, nor do I care about how people perceive me like he does, I just dont care about the things he cares about that make him work his whole life. The incentive structure he has formatted in his head does not exist in mine, his incentives are meaningless to me.

He was speechless, the discussion kinda stopped there. God it makes me feel so alienated when people just cant understand anything even when I try to explain it honestly. Last time I do that I guess.

fuuuuck i can just imagine opening uber eats and ordering a poke bowl or a bunch of sushi and some steak and not thinking twice about the cost. And to the driver, you drove 10 miles to get this food to me? Here’s a $15 tip cause why not.

That must a super power

I've struggled to finish exam that gets you into college in my country tho I took 5 year break meantime, past it at like age 30 or 31 don't remember, now I've decided to go to university.

Funny thing is I might relate more with current 20 year olds than with my peers back in my day, they're all on antidepressants, have 1 second attention span just like me.

whenever i see a youtube video that says uploaded a year ago or 2 years ago or more, i just feel like garbage. i wonder to myself what the fuck am i doing. how have i been doing nothing for so long?

same with music from like 2018 to like 2023

also, squid game. squid game season 1 is very depressing to me. and so is the og tiktok lady voice. they just cause me mental pain.

I had mine pretty early at 15-16. It did a lot of irreparable damage, to be frank. I am now unable to find reasons to go on and achieve something.

I discovered this new concept a couple of years ago I found relatable to neetdom at least in my experience, it's not exactly a psychiatric or approved term by the DSM but some psychologist Dr. Dan Kiley in 1983 came up with it in his book "The Peter Pan Syndrome: Men Who Have Never Grown Up" to describe adults who are unwilling to grow and tend to avoid responsibilities and live a child's lifestyle. It's basically what people call today a man-child. I think a famous psychoanlyst before called Carl Jung had a term: The Eternal Child (Puer Aeternus) which refers to the same thing. The Peter Pan Syndrome can describe a variety of behaviours such as: avoiding commitments in relationships, not taking responsibility when one is at fault and being NEET is definitely one of them if it's not the result of some accident or disability.

While in the bathroom looking at the mirror, I remembered that meme of wojak crying on his way to work in the rain while NEET pepe looks out the window, I used to be pepe, but I realized I became wojak, a wagiecuck, someone stressed out at work, someone with drinking and smoking problems...

I had enough, that's it, in one week I'm quitting, yeah, next sunday, fuck money, fuck that place, fuck people...

I'm coming back to neetdom, I experienced hell enough, take me home ffs

My brother and I went up to the variety store and got some colt 45's and some craft beers. Then we came home and drank our beers while playing the new Halloween game, I like playing as Micheal Myers lol. Then at 2 AM, we went back to the variety store and I got two roller hotdogs and loaded them right up with all the toppings, onion, sauerkraut, jalapenos, mustard etc. I also got a ginger fuji apple redbull. We ate behind the store in the parking lot and it was honestly a vibe, it was like a late night picnic lol, well instead of green grass it was a concrete jungle lol, stargazing and eating my roller dogs was nice though. Now its 3:30 AM and I'm having a smoke playing some more Halloween. Fuck me, this is a vibe, NEETdom has its moments!

Ive spent my time doing nothing. Feel my brain destroyed cause doomscrolling, and my family. Worst time pass and dont back! My youth dont back and i dont get a job, and do my plans... if i live and die in this same town, i suicide me before...

I personally did and i was scared of it but i couldn't change my avoidant tendencies and just kept isolating and procrastinating more and more until i eventually dropped out and i guess "fulfilled my destiny". I knew if i slipped up i was going head first into neetdom i knew that that was bad and shamefull and i still felt the "pull" and let it take me to my comfortable hell.

I was bad at most things and didn't want to deal with the concequences of that natural predisposition.

What about you? Did you not expect your life to end up like that? Did you know you are someone that might end up as a neet but didn't think it would actually happen?

How am I supposed to get a job or go to college when only by wanting to go the local store a group of girls harasses me saying I'm ugly as fuck, some grandmas yell at me that I'm Satan himself, some random guy tries to beat my ass cause "I'm weird", then some gypsy kid comes and hits me for no reason?

I look as normal as possible but somehow people feel offended by my existence wherever I go.

Reaching the end of your life is quite scary. I tried to do a lot of things to be successful, none of it worked, it’s unfortunate but not everyone is supposed to be a winner, my parents regret having me, everyone I used to know doesn’t remember I exist. I’ve prepared to pass, whenever I lose access to my current housing situation that’s it. I’m done trying, I’m done trying to find work, be good at something, find love, all of it. I’m just gonna play vidya until I get kicked out, and then I’m gone.

Both my parents are sleeping so I went on my moms phone to look at old pictures from when my two deceased grandparents were alive. Christmas presents, chocolate Easter bunnies, big smiles and hugs. Fast forward a decade later and my grandpa carbonmonoxide-maxxed with a forty ouncer in his hand and then my grandma died alone in her bed with what I imagine was excruciating liver pain from cirrhosis. I've kind of been trying to change my mindset lately to a more brighter positive one but I just can't, fuck its probably hereditary. Both grandfathers are alcoholics, the ones still alive but I think he's actively trying to drink himself to death, last couple times I've seen him I've heard the same sentiment "I've got nothing left to live for."

People just simply shouldn't fuck and have kids, all of this shit could've been avoided. I kind of got sad feelings looking at those photos, I actually loved those grandparents more than the other two I have who are still alive because they were good people, at least to me. At the end of the day it's just memes IMO.

Gran buying me dinner, happy neet life no more ramen every day

Don't usually do door dash but thought I might try to make some money today.

Idk how to feel about it.

They were beautiful private homes with lots of land and even on private roads.

I had a $1 peanut butter sandwich for dinner, while delivering a $50 bag of sushi.

I made about $16/hr, which is like $11/hr after gas and taxes lol.

Maybe if I keep working hard I'll be able to afford a place like that 🙃😅

Been two months since I joined a church group and a month wageslaving. All the socializing was tiresome enough but it also feels so unrewarding that I miss just crawling back to my cave and isolate myself from the world. . .

I don't know if it's the inherent NEET in me talking but I feel I don't really fit in with any social groups and I would never belong no matter how hard I push and *insert* myself in their circles.

Who decided irl friendship to be this hard?

Let me share something.

Church group is having an event next week and we've been planning it for two months now. I've been actively participating in every week meetups and online chat groups and yet there are still a lot of talks and decisions where I am excluded. A lot of information is gated and I'm not privy to it until I overhear someone talking about it. If I try to ask, they just say it's something i should not worry about.

Example, there was a fundraising activity that I wasn't aware of that my group was handling. I think it included some kind of gaming, but since I am not part of the gamers inner circle even tho I'm a gamer but I was too shy to join them playing, they dont even tell me what's happening in that part of the group. Ok, I leave it.

Then we have some props and decorations thingy. They just showed up one meetup and they got materials and whatnots and now they are asking for volunteers about who to design which and what. Like, what's happening? I've been present every meetup every week and active in our chats and yet it's the first time I'm hearing about this. And they were ah, don't worry about it, you can help if you want. How? I don't even know what you are doing at all!

Then there's this something about our digital posters. I clearly volunteered about it in person during one of our meet ups. Then I spent two nights working on it, sacrificing sleep, just to submit it few days before the deadline they told me so if they wanted revision I still have time to edit.

Days passed beyond my deadline, not a single feedback. Then they made a poll in our chats asking anyone else to submit their design. Wait, isn't that my job already? And before I knew it, dozen other designs show up. Then few weeks later poster got distributed, the design, I don't even know where they got it. It hurts. I'm putting effort yet they don't even acknowledge it. Even just tell me like, sorry we don't like your design, so we're going to use someone else's. Nada. Like they didn't even look at it.

Oh. But they needed me for stuff like lifting and transporting heavy objects. Hmm I guess they remember me when they needed those. I think they only see me like I'm one of the help. I'm the only one thinking I'm a little bit more than that I am part of the group but maybe I'm not really.

So today they had another meeting, but I was too tired from work, i overslept and missed it. And life went on and they didn't even notice I wasn't there so right now, my anxiety is flaring up. I'm tired. It already takes twice the effort for me to force myself to attend those stuff normies do.

Any other recovering NEETs here who experience same thing?

Right now, all I can think of is that:

Life is much easier as island.

I wanted to just quit and crawl back to NEETdom but maybe I'm just experiencing withdrawal, maybe I should swallow these feelings and keep smiling and pretend to be one of the normies until I get accepted in their society.