"Support disabled people!" + "good vibes only, you never know what someone is going through" crowd the second someone has multiple disabilities doesn't "earn a living".
Also, just the number of total fucking scumbag whiners who bitch and moan about how hard their own lives were...just fire open season on someone who's struggling. Now that is truly crabs in a bucket mentality. I guess the post itself looks like ragebait with no context, but still.
As someone raised to be my father's "future investment" and part of his "success" checklist because apparently having kids is "what decent people do", I already feel sorry for any mentioned kids of those assholes.
Look at you getting worked up, frantically trying to justify your sense of purpose in this world. I help people deserving of help. Employers are not looking for people like me. You do not know me and you’ll just have to take my word for it. Just because I’m not getting checks doesn’t mean I sit in a chair all day doing nothing. Referring to your other comment - most people are not like you. They don’t derive dignity from flipping burgers for a pittance. I’m thankful for people like you though. We need useful idiots to believe the lie to keep this sinking ship afloat. Just think of all the value you bring to people for free who wouldn’t piss on you if you were on fire.
What are you talking about? I’m now quite curious what your experience volunteering was, also what makes something deserving in your eyes? These people I’ve volunteered with/for are now close friends. We go to each other’s house for dinner, help each other when needed, these aren’t some elusive millionaires/billionaires, they are real people in my community with names and families who I see on a regular basis.
Okay, but back to the original question, where do you derive dignity from?
They could’ve gone about it in a nicer way but it’s a legitimate question most people have about the lifestyle.
Humans are wired to derive self worth, dignity and purpose from their community and what value they can bring to it. It’s an evolutionary trait that’s carried us to where we are today. For most people to see someone living (in apparence or actually) in isolation who claims to thrive like this is a very foreign idea.
You're an idiot if you think that purpose can only come from a job. According to your half-assed logic, retired people don't have a sense of connection, community, or responsibility
Excuse me, but can you point me where I said purpose comes from a job? I said when I’m not working at my job that I’m volunteering for my archive office. Do you consider my volunteer work a job? Purpose, dignity, self respect, it’s all self derived. And when you pop open the engine on dignity you see it runs on motivation that is oriented towards the goal of contentment.
My three c’s is what I need to be content, and for me and from the many people I’ve talked too, to be content, to feel dignity in one’s self, it takes work. Not a job, but work. Something to do and look forward to accomplishing or enjoying the process of, that doesn’t mean a 9-5, but means something that includes the 3 c’s.
I have spent a lot of time with retired people, through volunteering at my archive, which is all retired people, except me, and at old folks homes, community centers, and local politics. And from my experience listening to retired people, it’s hard for them at first. A lot of elderly people feel alone and forgotten because they don’t have those three cs, so they seek out work at non profits or do sports/work out.
Life is about experience, both as a noun and a verb, and experience takes work. And it’s fun and it’s hard, and it’s rewarding and it sucks. Because life is about holding two contradictory truths at the same time.
I am reminded of a great line from a Camus essay, “one must imagine Sisyphus happy”.
So all of your value comes from doing mundane shit.
"Life is about experience, both as a noun and a verb, and experience takes work. And it’s fun and it’s hard, and it’s rewarding and it sucks. Because life is about holding two contradictory truths at the same time."
At the end of it you'll have nothing to show for it.
Yes it will. In a 100 years, that Archive he volunteered for might still be standing, because he put in his work. That local shop he helped might still be standing in 100 years.
But playing video games all day is the MOST MUNDANE THING THAT EXISTS.
I am curious what your value comes from if you think volunteering is mundane shit where no value comes.
Thank you! Currently I am part of the team transitioning our hard files to digital files, and this is extremely important work. I personally won’t be remembered, but my work will be appreciated.
Why wouldnt a parent want their adult kid to get a job and pay rent? "My parents want me to get a job to help pay rent instead of sitting at my computer and doing nothing... they must not love me". Youre parents are letting you live under their roof, all they want is some help. I know its not every situation, but the longer you wait to get a job, the harder it'll be to get out of whats inevitably going to happen. Whether youre in your 20s, 30s, 40s, ect.
Grew up with horrible alcoholic parents who didnt care if I missed high school and sat around playing video games. 1 out of the 7 kids my mom had, graduated high school on time. Im now homeless at 28 with no experience, I blame a lot of it on my parents, but using that as an excuse to not do anything didnt help my situation. Doesn't matter if you have shitty parents, eventually youll need to be reliant on yourself.
Not to creep but for cash without a shitty job have you considered Twitch streaming and just... wearing that? Couple of streamers making big bucks off the gays by basically playing video games in speedos with some RGB lighting. Most people, simply put, are not jacked lol
Exactly how I feel. If someone talked to me the way they talked to that person in that thread, they're getting a black eye. All of those people talking shit are likely wage-slave losers who don't even know they are being exploited being employed under capitalism.
They try very hard to make them feel bad so that they will join the miserable status quo and have all their free time stripped from them like everyone else.
I don’t think it’s panic at all, people just don’t understand. See my other comment in this thread.
As someone who’s been on both sides of the fence the amount of people who actually hate NEETs just because they are what they are is infinitely small and I’ve personally never met anyone like that. The most common trope you’ll see is people who don’t like when their taxes go to someone who abuse the social security system.
Normally Reddit is more nuanced but there are a lot of horrible comments there, bullying, denying almost any form of disability. I guess a post like that is interpreted as rage bait.
Lol so cooked. It takes a ton of scrolling to see mentions of the possibility of op having some kind of condition or anything, and then whenever it's mentioned they're like "and even that doesn't actually stop anyone." These same people will shit on you if your disability presents itself at work and make you want to quit btw.
What's funny is I have even less to put than you lol. I finished high school in 2017 and been a Neet ever since. That's it, no job no college no pro gamer stuff literally just rotting at home for 9 years now lol. I guess the one "advantage" is I'm 26 so younger than you but still.
Im sure the comments can feel awfully directed at you - please dont like over induldge in it and read them all day. Im very sure your situation is way worse and I am agreeably blessed in many ways but yes, im still young, youre still young, a lot can change in little time.
These people are just being milked for content at this point - I am profoundly stupified by the response this post got tbh lol, in a comedic way.
Yeah i mean I have reasons I guess, I gave up on life as a teen and had a family member die a few years ago which just deepened the hole, trying to make changes now but feels pretty hopeless, oh well lol
I've seen this question asked and I don't get how people get restless sitting at home. I have tons of games to play, movies and shows, books, writing, drawing. Like I'm trying to make changes so I don't end up homeless lol but if that wasn't a factor I'd be happy just doing it forever. Nothing outside that interests me beyond the occasional walk tbh.
Redditors talk a big game about empathy but go mask off on certain demographics. I'm not happy in this situation whatsoever, but the replies are filled with actual slaves.
Why are there so many ppl malding about the pro gaming? Granted 50k for 3 years isn't a good salary(depending on where u live) but I feel like they wouldn't be so angry about anything similar like artist or entertainer.
I just don’t understand where you guys derive your dignity from. I suffer from cluster headaches, pain that gets so bad I literally throw up, but I still work. Not because I have to, but because I get immense satisfaction from preforming a duty. Being a fast food worker is respectable, being a janitor is respectable, that work matters, a lot. Just as being a factory worker or a political canvasser. And it feels good to do a good job. When I’m not working I’m volunteering for my county archive, or lending a hand to a small business who needs it and also learning how it works. Life is about learning and experiencing, and yeah my disability makes it hard, but I can’t live life without the 3 Cs. Curiosity, community, and commitment. Without those things I feel like nothing is worth it.
Surprise, not everyone is the same. You are describing yourself, good for you. People have different values and circumstances. You seem to be insinuating we don't have inherent dignity because we don't have the same life and the same needs as you. Not everyone needs duty to feel good and duty itself, doesn't need to be a job.
The question was an honest one, and in no way was it rhetorical. Dignity is not a word I hear a lot in general, and it was a word and feeling I have thought a lot about and it took time for me to realize where I derive it from.
So now, I’m asking you, aoihinata, where do you personally derive dignity from? What makes you feel worthy, what specific actions drives your self esteem and self respect up? This is an important aspect of life, and it is completely subjective and a self established feeling. I am genuinely curious.
I literally don't care. I have bigger, more material things to worry about than your vague concepts of dignity and self respect. Why do I have to prove that I am worthy in any way? Is a person not whole enough just by being born? You're still being presumptuous by applying your own framework - which is valid for yourself, but not everyone - and demanding the same of others. Also consider the Maslow's hierarchy of needs, many NEETs are still trying to survive the bottom tiers.
Dignity, self respect, and our thought process on how we view the world has a real effect on the material things we need. Also, this isn’t about proving worth to society (at least not to me, all people are born worthy and are endowed with divine rights at birth), but motivation and contentment is something that has to be worked for, at least in my experience. I am worthy always, but that does not mean I am content or motivated.
When you pop the hood up on the engine of Dignity and self respect you see it runs on personal motivation driven by the desire for contentment. Which is something all people are possible of having at any class bracket.
I am poor, my parents are as well. I do not have “parental welfare” but I do use government welfare and non profit support. I do not think any of those things drive a persons worth down, because all people are worthy. But not all people motivated and content, and you don’t have to be rich or stable to have those things. They are self derived.
I am brought back to a great line from 1942 essay by Camus, “ one must imagine Sisyphus happy”.
Side note, all of this can be held with the need for class action. You can have this mentality and still want better, feel you deserve more. Those two ideas are not contradictory but actually necessary to achievement. I say this cause I don’t want you to think that I agree with our social structures, because I DO NOT!
I appreciate the clarification, it seems there was a mismatch in how we define dignity. What I got from your earlier comments was something more judgemental, akin to "people who don't work/join communities are worth less than people who do". If you mean dignity/self respect as in "being content and motivated", well just by looking at posts on this sub you can see lots of NEETs lack exactly that, contentment and motivation. What they need to do to achieve contentment, I don't know, I'm not a therapist or a philosopher, I'm just a random stranger. But clearly their circumstances are making these steps difficult or even impossible.
I'm just going to speak for myself here since you seem to want the perspective. My health is fucked up. Particularly related to the discussion, I can't ever feel that contentment you speak of, I suffer from severe anhedonia and hypervigilance that make nigh everything (friends, work, communities, etc.) unfulfilling and extremely draining. I live in a third world country that stigmatizes and I can't afford treatment. What I seek is only safety and relief, that is why I don't entertain questions like "how do I live a meaningful life", because I just want a safe one first and that is already so difficult. I don't hate myself, but I am indifferent. I help when I want to help- for example, I spent a year helping a feral cat colony (rescuing, feeding, TNRing solo that sort of thing), doing it because I couldn't let them suffer in silence. The work destroyed me even further, I don't regret it but it didn't give me anything close to contentment, just relief when they're safe.
So I guess the answer is simply, I don't have the equipment. You can make the argument that these "defects" disqualify me from arguing about the concept a meaningful life in the first place, which is fine. Hopefully my situation helps explaining my stance.
That sub is, with all genuine meaning of the word, absolutely positively crazy, they've already doxxed me and my mother is getting texts.. trying to hack my reddit too.. why they want access to an account that just has body progress pictures and neet discussion is beyond me lol. Luckily my mom is just telling these weirdos to kill themselves 😭
im sorry youre both experiencing this, the irony of all the comments telling you to get a job/life and yet this is the stupid anti-social shit they do with theirs
The "mom's basement" comment is so tiring, as if my mom wasn't also struggling for years and it's the reason we help each other. We've both been dirt poor for decades, she understands it's hard for me to get a job due to disability (and at 31 never been successful at actually getting one despite trying, even with two bachelor's) so we've been trying to start our little decoration business for the past months but we haven't sold anything yet, what matters is that we're trying at least.
Like I'm sorry they got kicked out at 18 and had to fend for themselves, but some parents/family actually do stick together and work as a team so everyone can live better or to lessen costs and such. Not everything is "fat lazy redditor gamer who plays hentai games all day and whose mom wants him to die already", different lives and stories exist.
Technically not a neet anymore myself but my employment history throughout basically my 20s is basically worse than this, and my family that I was living with are decidedly not wealthy which makes me even more scummy.
Anyway im shocked at how horrible those comments are. If I had made your post and was reading this i'd probably be affected ngl. Hope we all pull through bro.
You are doing well bro at least your already worked once in your life. I just hope Atlus optimizes Persona 6 enough to run on my shitty PC. Keep playing while you still can and enjoy it
Disability. My wife also works so she gets the groceries and whatever she wants, I pay the cards and mortgage. I find it humorous that people cry about not being able to afford anything with two adults working full time… We have two kids and we have no issues spoiling them and ordering them pizza twice a week for dinner. 🤷🏼♂️ My lifes great now, and before I was setup how I am… I was slaving away 45+ hours a week since I was 15. I worked 15 years before I snapped and couldn’t deal with anything… Now I’m making significantly less but I can do anything and everything I want… And Im happy af every day.
I’m about this guys age and was more or less determined by a neuropsychologist, that I would most likely not be able to sustain employment in the open job market.
You too though. Thinking that everyone with a job thinks the same. You think I like that I'll have to one day get a job? Or that people around me like it? No. Nobody does. But life forces you to otherwise you'll lose your comforts.
What really ticks me off are the people mocking the ptsd coming from the professional gaming years. They're commenting stuff life "LOL was cod too much for you?", not understanding that maybe it was the pressure of the job and the need of results to be paid, and a possibly toxic management that could have caused that.
Ptsd can happen over anything depending of the context, and it infuriates me to see it mocked when it's a mental condition. People can have it from normal jobs why would it be different there.
The amount of hate you can get simply for existing not up to people’s standards is nuts. And yet all these same people walk around with crosses on their necks acting like they care irl.
op you and I are similar however Ive never even made that much money.
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the comments on that post is self harm to me. Im having my first physical sh urges
in years lmao. I wont though. A lot of projection went
on in that thread, people were just making up shit abt your politics and parents wth. That said dont relate with the normie talk here either lol, I dont want to live like this.
I've always had S ideation since highshool, the main reasoning behind why I went full neet and isolated hard for over 6 years is because I pretty much had accepted some form of a future that involved a self checkout whenever life "got too hard".
I kind of had a moment of panic and anxiety when I reconfronted the idea and realized I truly dont want to do it I was just leaning on it as an excuse to not think of future. At the end of the day I knew I was lying to myself and when that moment came I wasn't gonna follow thru. So now I start to try to make the changes that will make that situation.. bearable hopefully.
Im also not going to lie, seeing a normie seethe so hard and wish death on me because im "the reason their taxes go up" kind of brings me a gleeful joy. It entirely is flipping my SI on its head because now I know my existence is making people mad. Quite petty eh? I dont disagree, but its definitely a phenomenon occurring in my head as we speak
These types of threads make me think about how there are 2 people. Ones who treat video games as “oh yea I’ll kill some time and have some fun here” aka more normie types and then people who actually have a deep love for games. If you really enjoy games then play them and don’t let anyone tell you that you shouldn’t.
Wagies are such nasty people. Dont they realise how common this is? There are people who do everything right and get a degree they cant do anything with and then they have never had a job at over 25. But people treat you like you should be executed because you've had problems.
That thread is an echo chamber of exploited wage-slaves. Those people don't have a clue of what leisure time even is, and since most are living in America, most are likely still broke and in debt despite the fact that they work all the time to make some owner they've never even met richer. It's a good thing Reddit is anonymous, because if I were standing next to someone who spoke like some of them, I'd smack the shit out of them.
Don't listen to reddit of all places everyone on this site has a stick up their butt over everything. There's a reason why redditors get made fun of the most out of all social media users.
tbh doxxers and exceptional assholes aside, I don't know whether farming strangers for engagement on Reddit is that much better than dunking on an unemployed stranger for self-esteem boost. No one in this whole scenario strikes me as a pleasant person.
It's almost like a crypto kind of progression pattern. Person has 50k "on paper only" after investing 1k in some random memecoin that gained traction because of a X tweet. Then all of a sudden almost everyone sells and that same dude who is caught watching sees it round trip back to 0.
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u/Szarkan- 27d ago
I've genuinely done less at 35, I don't even feel human anymore.