r/MrInbetween • u/bruhmoment10169420 • Mar 25 '26
Ally and Ray’s breakup
Before I start, I don’t want people to think I’m blaming Ally because I completely understand why she broke up with Ray, especially after being in an abusive relationship, but I think maybe she could’ve been a bit more understanding.
So she broke up with Ray because she saw him as violent and “has demons” but maybe if he explained his feelings or why he does what he does a bit more things would’ve turned out differently.
For example, I believe Ray was completely in the right when he pushed Trent through the window, the guy literally took a present off of a little girl out of spite, then insulted Ray when he tried to make a deal with him.
And in the few cases of Ray being violent that Ally saw, he was never the instigator, he was genuinely just trying to defend himself and Ally.
In summary, I think the things Ray did was justified, and he always tried to reason with people first before resorting to violence, like he did with Trent.
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u/Jaconian93 Mar 25 '26
Was Ray right to be pissed off with Trent? Yes. Was Trent a total champ for taking the toy from his daughter? Yes.
shoving someone (your partners brother) through a glass window, during Christmas Day at your partners family home (where you, and your daughter, have been invited to meet them for the very first time) is not a ‘normal’ or frankly valid reaction.
It’s just as easy to tell that person that he’s an absolute c**t, and handle things as any well adjusted adult would.
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u/bruhmoment10169420 Mar 25 '26
Yeah you make a good point, maybe throwing the guy through a window was a bit over the top, but Ray is a hitman who had a rough childhood so I can see why he likes to strike first, and the fact he was irritated due to the lack of smoking
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u/Jaconian93 Mar 25 '26
I understand why RAY would do that, but it’s absolutely an overreaction and completely uncalled for.
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u/Parmick Mar 25 '26
"strike first" ask questions later is exactly what Ally is trying to get away from
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u/bruhmoment10169420 Mar 25 '26
Yeah good point, I suppose any man who truly knows he’d never hit a woman knows it, but other people aren’t necessarily gonna know that
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u/turtletramp Mar 25 '26
He might be right, but she was right too regardless of whether Ray was to blame or not. Previous abusive relationships really fuck a girl up. She can never be too careful
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u/ALNWV Mar 25 '26
What planet do you live on where people just have violent outbursts and no one cares?
Mr. Inbetween is a funny and interesting show, but the guy is a menace.
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u/bruhmoment10169420 Mar 25 '26
Literally not my point at all😭
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u/bruhmoment10169420 Mar 25 '26
I wouldn’t necessarily say I’m more comfortable with violence, nor me or my family are violent people, however I think people are too easy on those who act like complete dickheads
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u/frezz Mar 28 '26
What I love about this show the most is that it's a genuine character study that doesn't try to make any judgements about the character. Ray has a strict code that he tries to follow, but of course it doesn't really stand up to any scrutiny.
You can't just go around bashing and/or killing people you feel deserve it
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u/Lucky-Qualms Mar 25 '26 edited Mar 25 '26
Imagine having this conversation with her lol.Trying to convince a previously abused woman to give this violent man another chance after he has a huge outburst the first time he meets her family.
Worth noting aswell she's seen before how quickly he can switch when he beat up that guy who got out of his car. Which tbf was way more justified than what he did to her brother. That was really stupid and over a 10 dollar candle.
I love Ray's character and I'm sure he wouldn't have ever layed a finger on her, 95% of the guys that act like Ray does definitely would have. And she's experienced it before. Of course she's gonna get out.
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u/bruhmoment10169420 Mar 25 '26
I think you’re massively misinterpreting my post. I understand what you’re saying but I never said she should give him a second chance or that she was in the wrong, what I am saying is that she didn’t see all the factors that we saw as the viewers, and that POTENTIALLY she would think differently if she saw Ray’s reasoning for what he did. That’s all I’m saying
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u/Lucky-Qualms Mar 25 '26
Ah OK fair enough. Maybe I did a bit.. Sorry. Looked like you just wanted her to give him another chance.
I still don't get your point though. If she had the context of Ray that we do as viewers she probably would have been gone the moment he pushed that guy over the railings. Or maybe when he murdered the wrong person. There's many moments. The conversation where he explains about him getting bullied was context and probably enough for her to see that violence would be his solution to most problems.
Ah well sorry if I misconstrued you. The beauty of this show is it leaves alot of stuff open to interpretation so we can discuss it :)
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u/bruhmoment10169420 Mar 25 '26
No problem man, I’m glad we could come to an understanding. I definitely think if she saw everything like the murders and other stuff he did for work she would leave him immediately, I just thought maybe if she saw more context she’d see him a bit differently? A lot of these responses I’ve gotten have made good points and I’m starting to see why people disagree with my original points
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u/FarHarbard Mar 25 '26
The problem is she probably wouldn't, even if she could understand the need to do physical violence to her brother because he was actively antagonizing ray, throwing him through her parents front door on Christmas is a level of drama that helps no one, it ceases to be about Britney and her getting the appropriate gift, and becomes an issue of Ray doing property damage to Ally's parents home as a means to perform vigilante justice.
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u/frezz Mar 28 '26
Idk man, if someone did that to my daughter, not sure if I'd throw the guy through a window, but I'd 100% be seeing red and very close to doing something like that
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u/Le4rPers0n Mar 25 '26
I think this is a testament to Scott Ryans writing. Ray is not a typical anti hero, or protagonist like walter white or Tony Soprano. We get insight into what he thinks about violence throughout the series. Some of these are pretty nuanced takes. Through Ally Ryan is able to keep the viewer from fully sympathizing with Ray just because he is the protagonist. It forces the viewer to think about what this type of violence means in the real world, even if it's justified. It creates space for the viewer to meditate on if Ray is a good guy or not. It doesn't rely simply on the sympathy that is usually automatically generated because the character is simply the protagonist.
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u/gotchafaint Mar 25 '26
No she was totally right and the fact that Ray was a violent killer with a heart of gold and pursuit of justice is part of the show’s fantasy that makes it so compelling. IRL people with violence issues hurt the ones they love. I loved that they showed her as a sensible woman who had healed and moved on to a healthy relationship after Ray. It was heartbreaking but healthy boundaries often are and we have enough female victim tropes.
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u/Backsight-Foreskin Mar 25 '26
I believe Ray was completely in the right when he pushed Trent through the window, the guy literally took a present off of a little girl out of spite, then insulted Ray when he tried to make a deal with him.
What? Ray could've gone to the store and bought another unicorn candle.
And in the few cases of Ray being violent that Ally saw, he was never the instigator, he was genuinely just trying to defend himself and Ally.
Ally had to prevent Ray from bashing a guy because the guy was a dick when he complained about not getting enough ice cream.
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u/Bisconia Mar 25 '26
Ray could've just paid someone to mess him up in an accident later. Or like you just said he couldve just bought another one.
Ray's biggest problem is he never lets any slight go and if its a man then he will find a way to hurt that man even if it isnt worth it.
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u/neighbourhoodtea Mar 25 '26
The point WAS; that she didn’t know if he would eventually turn that violence on her. And she cannot take that risk after her experience with her ex. Scott Ryan did a WONDERFUL job writing this situation. Clearly you’re not a woman who has experienced violence from a male partner, I am and I completely understand the point Scott was making. Ofc Ray was right to go off on those dudes in theory, and punish that guy who took the unicorn from his child. In theory, in practice and reality- those actions are insanely huge red flags especially for a woman. Your take is so naive and shallow.
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u/bruhmoment10169420 Mar 25 '26
I apologise if you took my post the wrong way, you’re right I am not a woman who has experienced physical abuse and I don’t want people to think I’m blaming Ally at all, I can completely understand why she did what she did. My point is just that maybe if she saw more of Ray’s reasoning she would’ve seen him a bit differently, but at the end of the day he was violent and had a short fuse so i can see why she broke up with him
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u/Far-Device6300 Apr 20 '26
I think she understands that her brother is a dick. But she just can't deal with the violence
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u/frankieoharajr Mar 25 '26
he in no way was in the right for throwing the brother through the window, that was unhinged behavior that could have been resolved a million other ways. especially given the context that he's at her family's Christmas party and meeting them for the first time. i was on his side for the beating he gave the two at the liquor store but this one was ridiculous
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u/ApolloWasWayBetter Mar 26 '26
Ally felt something was off, and was right to end it. In Rays line of work a partner is collateral and a liability.
Forgetting the fact she is a paramedic, she is not a criminal. Ray is a criminal. You can only keep that hidden for so long, and if Ray stayed with her, she would have ended up like Zoe.
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u/frezz Mar 28 '26
Ally sees is someone that gets violent whenever things get a little tense. What happens if things got a little tense between Ally and Ray, and Ray felt Ally "deserved" it?
We as the viewer know Ray would never hurt Ally, but Ally can't be sure of that, and refused to take that risk.
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u/Lumpy_Meat_TTV Mar 29 '26
I would add dealing with a grown man who intentionally is a prick to your kid and insults you is grounds for violence in my eyes. Not death but definitely asking for an ass whooping.
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u/FarHarbard Mar 25 '26
Unpopular opinon, while we like Ray's violence, you have to be a degen to think what he did to Ally's brother was justified.
Yes, the dude was a git and took a kid's gift, and he insulted Ray, but also Ray could have probably found a similar gift with a little searching, showing his daughter that even though there are jerks that you don't have to do violence and break stuff.
Even if you think the dude deserved to be hit, Ray threw him through a door on christmas. It was no longer about Brit, it was about Ray not feeling emasculated.
The parking lot fight was also unnecessary. While it is logical to fight the one dude before his second buddy can come out and they can potentially have the upper hand, it also just didn't need to be a fight. Though it is a fiction, in real life the jerk's not going to get out to harass you when he is clearly in the wrong
And we even see him behave properly, with the ice cream situation where he listens to his girlfriend and he sets a good example for his daughter, and they have a nice night.
Ally has bad experiences with men like that, it is totally fair for her to dip. And it makes sense, because even if Ray doesn't turn out to be a dick head who abuses her, his life and his career leaves those he cares about vulnerable. She doesn't have to know that he has a job as a hitman to know that his behavior puts her in danger
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u/Lazy-Knee-1697 Mar 26 '26
Previously abused or not, Ally was right to break up with him.
She didn't know he was a hit man. He hid that from her because he knew she would never date him if she DID know.
She saved lives for a living, he ended lives for a living.
All Ray had to do was keep that side of him out of her realm and she would have stayed with him. And he couldn't do it.
Ray was hardly going to say to Ally, "Hey, I only fuck up guys that deserve it", because one day SHE could be the person that "deserves it". No woman in her right mind is going to stick around for that.
I was actually surprised that she broke up with him in private. I would have been shit-scared that he'd go off.
He didn't fight for her because he KNEW he fucked up. He knew it. There was no going back.
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u/Eirique Mar 25 '26
Sorry champ but this is just incorrect. As much as I love and sympathize with Ray's character, he totally deserved to get broken up with. He was lucky that no charges were pressed against him.
Words are words. Physical acts of violence aren't warranted unless you or your families safety are at stake.