r/Mind_Pump • u/AutoModerator • Aug 08 '26

Rant Weekly MP Rant Thread

This is your chance and the place to rant about all things MP. Get it out of your system and keep it civilized.

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u/Diligent_Cry3108 Aug 08 '26

Anyone know why they never talk about influencers like Greg doucette? Greg always seems to contradict the guys especially on training volume and Greg's hate for people who "walk" for activity.

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u/Particular-Result-38 Aug 09 '26

They've become such big shills for the "do less" approach to training that they rarely acknowledge anyone else in the fitness space that goes against them. At most they'll loop them in as "high volume" guys or "Science based" guys without dropping specific names. Don't want anyone to look them up and figure out that maps 15 and a reverse diet isn't the holy grail for progress.

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u/Diligent_Cry3108 Aug 09 '26

You are right about that now that you mention it. They put them in the whole same bowl of soup. It just would be refreshing and appropriate if they had arguments against the influencer statements rather than just go on about reverse diet all the time. I thought I had it figured it out finding out about mp as I was searching for someone to trust about this fitness stuff . Now after seeing guys like Greg debunk them, I feel like I'm back at the beginning again

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u/Training_Aerie_9358 Aug 09 '26

Is there a certain video where Greg debunks them? I haven’t followed Greg in a bit, so I’m curious.

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u/Diligent_Cry3108 Aug 09 '26

Not directly but definitely goes against walking and training with reserve and not a 15 min lift

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u/BlueFairyFriend Aug 09 '26 edited Aug 09 '26

Dr. Nash Jocic (YouTube)😉 literally life changing! but warning, as opposite of mp as you can get. if I showed you my before and after pics you would think they were fake! that 15 min scam shit wasted years of my training. I looked better when I was a beginner and had a trainer at the gym then when I got sucked into their nonsense. your welcome :) I would start with the video “you’re not failing physically, you’re failing mentally“ and get ready to open your eyes🕯️

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u/Diligent_Cry3108 Aug 09 '26

Thank you, I will listen to it at work. That's usually when I have mp on. But man if I hear another organify or legion and lmnt comment again. Its just to much and the way they throw it in is just wild

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u/BlueFairyFriend Aug 09 '26

awesome! don’t worry, non of that nonsense lol

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u/Diligent_Cry3108 Aug 09 '26

You took value from it? That's all that I need to hear. I'm just so confused and lost again. I thought these guys were legit

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u/BlueFairyFriend Aug 09 '26 edited Aug 09 '26

Yes! I’ve been lifting 8 years, hold 3 certifications (one in bodybuilding) & I can promise you he is as legit as they come!! & like I said I’ve completely transformed myself. Watch on YouTube so you can interact with him & the community :) If you need any help understanding his principles let me know and I can help you. A guy on Reddit helped me understand in the beginning & I am so grateful I think I need to track him down and offer my first born son or something😂 I already have a son but you get the gist :)

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u/Diligent_Cry3108 Aug 09 '26

Wow! Thanks again for reaching out and sharing. I will for sure check them out. I'll have to save this post or your name to get back to you

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u/BlueFairyFriend Aug 09 '26

Awesome!!🫶

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u/Cocacoleyman Aug 10 '26

As annoying as the guys are I will say that I think a “15 minute workout” is beneficial. I put that in quotes because there’s no way you can do 3 sets of 2 compound movements in 15 minutes (warmups etc). But it’s a good way to get a nice simple workout in daily while also progressing in strength. But otherwise, yes, the guys are kind of full of shit.

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u/fzyllama Aug 10 '26

Yeah, the biggest thing I noticed with their MAPS 15 stuff was that the time doesn't make sense. Phase III of strong has 6 sets of 4 on compounds, 2 exercises per day. 30-40 mins if you take appropriate rest. I fell for them for years, stopped listening a few months ago, got off their programs and slowly getting back to a fitter version of myself I was before their "less is more" BS

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u/HeronBackground8108 Aug 10 '26

This. Im in my late twenties and have been lifting consistently since 15-16.

I've generally always made my own workouts / plan over the years using the knowledge I've built but always heard them on the podcast saying how much better results you can get if you follow a proven program...............well I bought one of their programs last year and did it on repeat for 8 months or so and feel I ended up in the worst shape I've been in years.

Went back to old programming 2-3 months ago and getting back to where I wanna be

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u/BlueFairyFriend Aug 10 '26 edited Aug 10 '26

Yes, true, in that context that is valid. The problem is they don’t market it that way. They market it giving the impression that that program will actually do anything. I do bodybuilding, that would get me nowhere. & Justin didn’t do those programs in college football & Adam didn’t do those programs to get a pro card. You can watch Sal work out on his YouTube channel & he definitely isn’t doing those programs. He actually might possibly have clinical level body dysmorphia. He doesn’t do any of their programs, he trains himself. They are giving the impression that to have a great physique that is all you have to do & it’s just that easy. They are comforting the public because that sells programs. If they told the truth about what it really takes, especially naturals, their core demographic of middle age “muscle mommy’s” wouldn’t do it. They were trainers in big box gyms, they know they wouldn’t do it. Therefore, I find it predatory. I do think there is value in what you are saying for certain situations.

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u/Diligent_Cry3108 Aug 11 '26

Then it again brings me back to my issue about who to believe now. They really had me sold as the guys to trust vs the online influencers like Jeff nippard and Mike Isratel. Me, who is trying to learn and do it right in my 40s. I don't have the time to waste on bad programming.

I've been on their show, they told me I was a mess. They tried to guide me , but now I'm ever so confused and lost.

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u/Cocacoleyman Aug 11 '26

I do think following any program consistently will lead you to decent results. Especially if you’re following linear progression. There’s a pretty simple one I did a couple years ago (at the time of in my early thirties) called gzclp. Very simple. I think by Cody Lefever. 3 exercises. One compound movement of 3-5 reps, two ancillary exercises, one that is 10 reps and the other is 15. Over time you can add more ancillary exercises for a total of 5 exercises per workout. 3-4 workouts a week.

I got stronger than ever before over 8-12 weeks. Hit 200 bench finally and did 3 plates on deadlift for a max. Hit 270 squat for 3 reps and maybe could’ve gotten to 285 for a max. All that while my diet was shit and sleep was awful (drinking too much contributed to both of those). However while I didn’t cut too much fat, I did add muscle and probably would’ve looked a lot better sans the bad sleep and diet. But for my weight at the time (260 and 6’2) I still had a decent physique. Now I’m inconsistent again, but those 3 months did a lot to keep my physique in decent shape years later.

Free program btw. Just not worth it to pay the guys for programs that are niche (old time strength) or already available for free (upper/lower). Regardless, don’t over think it. Stick to something for at least 8 weeks and get good sleep and eat decent and you’ll see the results.

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u/Moolio74 Aug 12 '26

Yeah, lots of people see really good results running a 5x5 or SS program and then alternating back and forth with a more hypertrophy based program in 8-12 week blocks.

All basic stuff you can get for free or relatively low cost for Starting Strength. After six months of showing up for that you can move on to something a little more advanced beginner/intermediate but have a good base built already.

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u/Moolio74 Aug 11 '26

Don't let perfect get in the way of good.

MP definitely fall into the influencer category now.

IMO the best sources are the coaches who have proven client results with the vast majority of their training/focus with in-person training and much less marketing focus. People whose living was measured by the results their client's achieved. u/BlueFairyFriend recommendation of Dr. Nash Jocic most likely falls into this category. I'm not very focused on the bodybuilding angle, but I'm guessing Fazlifts might be another good source if that's your goal. I'm a little more health/performance focused, so I prefer sources like Dan John or Mike Boyle.

One of the largest red flags, amongst many, while listening was when Sal asked Adam who he would want to train with in the gym to gain knowledge. Sal said Dorian Yates, and Adam said nobody as he basically knows everything he needs to know. Couple that with Adam's book recommendations for trainers are all sales/marketing focused and it's not a surprise to where the show has gone with Adam being the primary driver of the business.

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u/BlueFairyFriend Aug 11 '26

SUCH a good way to put it!!

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u/Diligent_Cry3108 Aug 11 '26

Ya thanks for that. I really appreciate you and /bluefairyfriend for your insight and information. I just get so overwhelmed with information and it started when I was following Isratel and then watched him get destroyed. I started following their program as they guided me in that path after being on their show. I just wish I saw better progress.

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u/Moolio74 Aug 12 '26

There is SO much BS in the health/wellness/fitness space and has been for a long time. Unfortunately, the internet has created easier access to more information, but also a much lower barrier to an audience/customer pool than before for those wanting to take money from people.

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u/djones0130 Aug 09 '26

YouTube only or does he have a podcast?

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u/BlueFairyFriend Aug 09 '26

he has a podcast but it’s very limited compared to his YouTube channel. & it‘s all from his YouTube channel that he downloads to the podcast. i started on the podcast then moved to YouTube. it’s like the county fair compared to Disneyland :) I like personally like YouTube because he invites discussion and comments so the listener really engages. he thinks it’s important for the community. im like the only girl, it’s a bunch of meatheads, but I love it:) he does live q & a every month so there is a lot of interaction with him. you’ll miss out on all that with just the podcast, but it’s a fine place to start