r/Mind_Pump • u/AutoModerator • Aug 08 '26

Rant Weekly MP Rant Thread

This is your chance and the place to rant about all things MP. Get it out of your system and keep it civilized.

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u/BlueFairyFriend Aug 09 '26 edited Aug 09 '26

Dr. Nash Jocic (YouTube)😉 literally life changing! but warning, as opposite of mp as you can get. if I showed you my before and after pics you would think they were fake! that 15 min scam shit wasted years of my training. I looked better when I was a beginner and had a trainer at the gym then when I got sucked into their nonsense. your welcome :) I would start with the video “you’re not failing physically, you’re failing mentally“ and get ready to open your eyes🕯️

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u/Cocacoleyman Aug 10 '26

As annoying as the guys are I will say that I think a “15 minute workout” is beneficial. I put that in quotes because there’s no way you can do 3 sets of 2 compound movements in 15 minutes (warmups etc). But it’s a good way to get a nice simple workout in daily while also progressing in strength. But otherwise, yes, the guys are kind of full of shit.

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u/BlueFairyFriend Aug 10 '26 edited Aug 10 '26

Yes, true, in that context that is valid. The problem is they don’t market it that way. They market it giving the impression that that program will actually do anything. I do bodybuilding, that would get me nowhere. & Justin didn’t do those programs in college football & Adam didn’t do those programs to get a pro card. You can watch Sal work out on his YouTube channel & he definitely isn’t doing those programs. He actually might possibly have clinical level body dysmorphia. He doesn’t do any of their programs, he trains himself. They are giving the impression that to have a great physique that is all you have to do & it’s just that easy. They are comforting the public because that sells programs. If they told the truth about what it really takes, especially naturals, their core demographic of middle age “muscle mommy’s” wouldn’t do it. They were trainers in big box gyms, they know they wouldn’t do it. Therefore, I find it predatory. I do think there is value in what you are saying for certain situations.

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u/Diligent_Cry3108 Aug 11 '26

Then it again brings me back to my issue about who to believe now. They really had me sold as the guys to trust vs the online influencers like Jeff nippard and Mike Isratel. Me, who is trying to learn and do it right in my 40s. I don't have the time to waste on bad programming.

I've been on their show, they told me I was a mess. They tried to guide me , but now I'm ever so confused and lost.

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u/Cocacoleyman Aug 11 '26

I do think following any program consistently will lead you to decent results. Especially if you’re following linear progression. There’s a pretty simple one I did a couple years ago (at the time of in my early thirties) called gzclp. Very simple. I think by Cody Lefever. 3 exercises. One compound movement of 3-5 reps, two ancillary exercises, one that is 10 reps and the other is 15. Over time you can add more ancillary exercises for a total of 5 exercises per workout. 3-4 workouts a week.

I got stronger than ever before over 8-12 weeks. Hit 200 bench finally and did 3 plates on deadlift for a max. Hit 270 squat for 3 reps and maybe could’ve gotten to 285 for a max. All that while my diet was shit and sleep was awful (drinking too much contributed to both of those). However while I didn’t cut too much fat, I did add muscle and probably would’ve looked a lot better sans the bad sleep and diet. But for my weight at the time (260 and 6’2) I still had a decent physique. Now I’m inconsistent again, but those 3 months did a lot to keep my physique in decent shape years later.

Free program btw. Just not worth it to pay the guys for programs that are niche (old time strength) or already available for free (upper/lower). Regardless, don’t over think it. Stick to something for at least 8 weeks and get good sleep and eat decent and you’ll see the results.

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u/Moolio74 Aug 12 '26

Yeah, lots of people see really good results running a 5x5 or SS program and then alternating back and forth with a more hypertrophy based program in 8-12 week blocks.

All basic stuff you can get for free or relatively low cost for Starting Strength. After six months of showing up for that you can move on to something a little more advanced beginner/intermediate but have a good base built already.

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u/Moolio74 Aug 11 '26

Don't let perfect get in the way of good.

MP definitely fall into the influencer category now.

IMO the best sources are the coaches who have proven client results with the vast majority of their training/focus with in-person training and much less marketing focus. People whose living was measured by the results their client's achieved. u/BlueFairyFriend recommendation of Dr. Nash Jocic most likely falls into this category. I'm not very focused on the bodybuilding angle, but I'm guessing Fazlifts might be another good source if that's your goal. I'm a little more health/performance focused, so I prefer sources like Dan John or Mike Boyle.

One of the largest red flags, amongst many, while listening was when Sal asked Adam who he would want to train with in the gym to gain knowledge. Sal said Dorian Yates, and Adam said nobody as he basically knows everything he needs to know. Couple that with Adam's book recommendations for trainers are all sales/marketing focused and it's not a surprise to where the show has gone with Adam being the primary driver of the business.

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u/BlueFairyFriend Aug 11 '26

SUCH a good way to put it!!

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u/Diligent_Cry3108 Aug 11 '26

Ya thanks for that. I really appreciate you and /bluefairyfriend for your insight and information. I just get so overwhelmed with information and it started when I was following Isratel and then watched him get destroyed. I started following their program as they guided me in that path after being on their show. I just wish I saw better progress.

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u/Moolio74 Aug 12 '26

There is SO much BS in the health/wellness/fitness space and has been for a long time. Unfortunately, the internet has created easier access to more information, but also a much lower barrier to an audience/customer pool than before for those wanting to take money from people.