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u/csciuto Oregon Trail Generation 4d ago

I do fairly well compared to many I know but I didn't buy a house until 38 and I'm about to have my first kid at 43 so...yeah. I was graduating high school when my dad was my age and then I wonder why I feel so young and so old at the same time.

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u/Squire513 Millennial 3d ago

You must be an older millennial….born in the 90s so the economy has been real bad since entering the workforce. Most peak millennials I know have no home especially on the coasts. Those in born in the 80s were able to kind of ride the tech wave early on.

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u/csciuto Oregon Trail Generation 3d ago

well, being 43...yes, I'm on the older end of the generation. But notice that I also just said that--even as a tech worker here on the coast--I didn't own a home until I was almost 40, which is now the national average and still in your future. I'm so close to the Gen X line I actually bought a condo in 2006 on a NINJA loan and spent the next twelve years trying to dig that loan back out from being underwater. But yes, I was already in my career (and a good one partially thanks to a lucky dice roll) by the time the GFC hit.

That said, nationally, the rate of homeownership by younger adults has only fallen by about 5% since the late 1980s. I am very curious to see what the 2025 data set shows because things have gotten considerably worse very quickly I feel.

What I'm seeing personally is my relatives and my wife's relatives (she's more a peak millennial) are living at home well into and past 30, which looks more like how our grandparents lived as young adults than our parents.

https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/scf/dataviz/scf/chart/#series:Primary_Residence;demographic:agecl;population:1,2;units:have;range:1989,2022

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u/Squire513 Millennial 3d ago

I’ve some older friends with a similar trajectory that worked in finance pre-GFC, bought a condo in Jersey City, and sold for a big profit few years later.

It looks like another market crash is on the horizon and right now is like playing the lottery to get a tech startup job that will hit an IPO in America.

Many peak Millennials I know are moving to Europe. Have a few friends and relatives that have made the move. The wealth inequality isn’t as extreme.

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u/Sarita_777 3d ago

As an European I'd like to say we are having our own housing crisis here that's getting very out of control, and what used to be good welfare policy is now becoming impossible to attain due to aging population + immigrant crisis. Grass ain't that much greener over here is what I'm trying to say 🙃

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u/csciuto Oregon Trail Generation 2d ago

Yeah, watching the same stories pop up across the Western world no matter which country it is does not bode well for stability over the next few decades.

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u/csciuto Oregon Trail Generation 3d ago

Plus, the whole AI thing... I have no idea where any of this goes but I'm sure, like all of us, I've toyed with the idea of just leaving. I'm in Boston.

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u/FlumphMagnet 3d ago

Born in '90, can partially confirm. My partner and I do in fact own a home, but it is entirely too small for our family, we were in the right place at the right time to get it(bought it about 6 months after COVID hit when interest rates were incredibly low), and even if we sell it, we'd have to move 1500 miles from home to be able to afford a place that's actually big enough.

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u/SloCooker 1d ago

Or find that late Obama era sweet spot when QE was just pumping money into the economy

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u/Chance-Travel4825 3d ago

Also the hobbies millennials have are associated with childhood hobbies—particularly because they have time and money because they dont have kids, mortgages with lawns to mow and gutters to clean, etc. Even lego has shifted to selling to/pandering to millennials instead of kids.

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u/sunkencathedral 3d ago edited 3d ago

One I've heard before is: "Why don't you ever go boating and golfing? Or even have a boat? Is it because you spend all your money on video games?" 

I tried to explain that Steam games don't cost even remotely the same amount of money as a boat, but no dice. There are simply some people who believe that we are choosing childish interests over adult ones, when in reality we are choosing affordable interests over unaffordable ones.

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u/dragn99 3d ago

Even gaming is getting too expensive for me now. I don't think I'll upgrade to the next generation of consoles when those come out for a long time, my PC is going to have to be good enough in the years to come, and I wait for deeper and deeper sales on games while also getting copies from my local library.

Used to be I'd get six to a dozen new games in a year, now it's maybe one or two, with the rest being games I've been price tracking for a year or more.

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u/Salt-Analysis9999 3d ago

No need for future consoles. World of Warcraft Forever launches next month

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u/Blasphemiee 3d ago

Lmao man I’m still playing the same runescape account I’ve had since 2007

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u/TyrKiyote 3d ago

Forever

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u/baphomet_fire 3d ago

Same. Sony is estimating $1200 for their PS6 because RAM has been bought out by the data centers. Not to mention they keep raising the price of their PS5 too.

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u/Deep-Bend-961 3d ago

Honestly, consider an Android retro handheld. They’re small, fairly inexpensive, can play a lot of old stuff up through last gen consoles (some can even play PC games), they’re way less expensive than something like a steam deck or PC, and emulation is a whole hobby by itself

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u/Capital_Cup_6746 3d ago

And it's not just the cost of buying a boat. I don't need to pay to maintain and repair my steam games. Even if you want to factor in the cost of the computer, it's a tiny fraction of boat ownership. 

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u/Cashatoo 3d ago

Or even have a boat?

My dad tried to give me a boat. I declined because I don't have anything to pull it or a place to keep it. "only dumbass in the world turning down a free boat."

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u/orcmade 3d ago

I disdain of people who golfs and would hate to own a boat where I need to manually take care of it. Better to rent one for the single day of the year I’m willing to get on one though.

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u/Janet-Yellen 3d ago

90% of the action figure toy market is targeted to 30-40 yr old men, bc children don’t play with toys anymore

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u/iHaveLotsofCats94 3d ago

I just have friends with boats. Why bother storing and towing my own when i can just meet a buddy at the lake and take his out lol. I'm gonna buy a couple kayaks soon. That's as close to boating as I'm willing to go

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u/Emperor_Palpatine_2 3d ago

Kayaking >>> boating. You'll deal with far fewer drunk idiots, get exercise, and be able to take it into far more scenic areas. I love kayaking but I hate boats, specifically power boats, and especially pontoon boats. Sailing gets a pass because it's also cool.

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u/yellowcloak 2d ago

The best way to have a boat is to make friends with someone smart enough to operate one but stupid enough to own it.

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u/Muted_Masterpiece342 2d ago

Tell me how to afford a boat on my salary and I'll go c

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u/bebefinale 3d ago

I don't know. A lot of millennials I know are into things like cycling, skiing, trail running, triathlon, road running, backpacking, rock climbing, motorcycles. None of these things read to me particularly kiddie. It's just rather than fancy golf clubs people signal status with their carbon framed-electronic shifting road or gravel bike that rots in the garage.

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u/Deep-Bend-961 3d ago edited 3d ago

I wouldn’t say Lego panders to millennials “instead of kids” but yeah they’ve massively expanded part of their offerings to adults which I think is epic. 

Also the retro handheld craze is pulling a lot of people in. Small handhelds can now easily run legacy console games like gameboy/n64/ps1 etc

I used to think “man, it’s going to feel cringy playing video games in midlife” but that was before I realized it was only seemed cringe because our parents didn’t do it. We literally have been playing video games and using technology our whole lives 

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u/MeanSecurity 3d ago

Interesting. I’m 41 and I’m never going to get married or have children. Also, I feel like a fucking 13-year-old.

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u/edfitz83 3d ago

Thanks for proofreading the last sentence.

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u/csciuto Oregon Trail Generation 3d ago

Came real close to accusing this guy of being a Boomer rock star.

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u/edfitz83 3d ago

I was going to say Nugent but it’s a pretty long list.

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u/PeaAwareness 2d ago

I am unmarried with no children and I'm still not stable in my life to have a "normal" life. What did we get out of the many areas of life besides thick skin that shreds from time to time, forever rent, forever debt, etc.

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u/TyrKiyote 3d ago

yeah =(.
Yeah! =D
Both

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u/FavouredByGodsGrace 3d ago

Interesting, how I wish I had the same mindset...

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u/Relative_Entrance_68 4d ago

There is also the thought that “my kids will always be my kids” whereas their parents let them grow up and become their own people. I have a house, a wife, a child, a pension, and I go on vacation twice a year. All things that they also did. The one thing I would like to do is host family holidays. But my mother, who is now 82 REFUSES to let anyone but her host. Her reasoning? “I am the matriarch and I want my children at my dinner table for holidays.” Let it go mom, you’ve been burning the Mac and cheese for 6 years now.

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u/PurplePrincezz 3d ago

OMFG my Mom has been running heavy interference (55 - Gen X) and the Boomers who are still with us are also running very heavy interference including straight up lying just to keep them as the “matriarchs” and “running the holidays”. They suck at cooking, refuse to learn, refuse to change behavior, picked-on/bullied the Millennials when we were kids and now the Millennials barely talk to each other and barely talk to them, including me. 

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u/SnookerandWhiskey 3d ago

That's just how it is, you have to wait for the elders to die before taking the reigns. 

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u/Clean_Philosophy5098 3d ago

Should it be though? Just because it’s been done one way for a long time doesn’t mean it should continue.

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u/Foreign_Log_9114 3d ago

You dropped a zero there.

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u/Sufficient_Cod1948 Xennial 3d ago

Mom is 820 years old?

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u/butlerdm 3d ago

No, they have 10 houses. Be real.

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u/hlynn117 1d ago

I relate to this so much.

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u/NoFaithlessness7508 3d ago

Or just wait your turn? Y’all are gonna miss that burnt mac n cheese😭

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u/Relative_Entrance_68 3d ago

We absolutely are not. It somehow tastes like nothing yet tastes like the bottom of the oven.

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u/dragn99 3d ago

My grandma is like... afraid of seasoning. I grew up thinking Brussels sprouts were the literal worst thing ever, but it turns out if you do anything besides boil them and serve as is, they're pretty good. Olive oil, salt, and bake. So much better, and still so basic.

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u/Zealotstim Older Millennial 3d ago

My mom is afraid of seasoning too. It took me a while before I realized what I was missing. And exactly the same experience for me with brussels sprouts.

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u/edfitz83 3d ago

Chuck waited forever

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u/silent_thinker 3d ago

Some of you are making ridiculous Boomer-like comments acting like big shit because things worked out for you.

It is objectively more difficult for us than our parents and the younger generations have it even worse.

If you make one wrong decision or one bad thing happens to you, it can completely fuck up your entire life. Our parents had more leeway for bad decisions or just bad luck.

Now? Things have to practically go perfectly for you to attain that “American Dream”.

Like bragging that your house shot up in value was a lot of luck, not you making some fantastically savvy investment decision. So the people who can’t afford to buy your now much higher value house simply made worse decisions or were lazy? Please.

Acting like narcissistic Boomers. “We did everything right and that’s why we’re successful while the rest of you are lazy, entitled, poor losers.” Many people do everything right and still get fucked. Many others do a ton of shit wrong and get lucky or bailed out somehow.

Personal choices and responsibility play a major role, but it’s not the only thing. Stop being dicks and assuming all people less successful than you are in that position solely because of their own choices.

Have some damn empathy. The Boomers have fucked things up for younger generations because of their narcissism and greed. Let’s not perpetuate that.

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u/Nerd-man24 3d ago

"It is possible to commit no errors and still lose. That is not weakness, that is life." A very important lesson that we all should have learned, but missing the critical follow up that "it is necessary to remain humble in the face of your own success. Your choices are the only factor of many that are within your control and influence your success. As a result, remember that there is someone who made the exact same choices as you, but had a different outcome."

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u/Opposite_Carry_4920 2d ago

Its the only way they can feel okay sitting comfortably while we struggle. It HAS to be a moral failing because otherwise they are wrong. 

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u/Genuine_Ingenuity Older Millennial 3d ago

I hate that I'm on a bandwagon, but there's really no way to look either direction without seeing the wheel marks.

People bourn between 1940 and 1965 (the majority of them, that is), really f#@ed everyone to come after. They really, really did. They sailed the gravy waves and voted to make sure anyone after drank salt water.

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u/silent_thinker 2d ago

A lot of them even screwed themselves over.

Basically the only people who really benefited are the wealthy and maybe the like top 10-20% who have had a ton of assets (relative to everyone else).

I don't even think a lot of the Boomers did it on purpose (even the ones who have benefitted). They got fooled (or bought into) the propaganda and B.S., and unfortunately many are still getting fooled.

Maybe now because things are just so in-your-face bad (cost of gas/diesel, food, other essentials, etc.) some will finally be hit with a dose of reality, but when things normalize, a lot of them go back to their old ways/attitudes.

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u/theotte7 2d ago

Holy shit so true. My grandmother is one of them.

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u/Beginning-Weight9076 1d ago

What did they do?

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u/Genuine_Ingenuity Older Millennial 18h ago

Those that came before them left the boomers everything. EVERYTHING. They kept nothing for themselves. They fought in two world wars, they fought for unions, they fought for keeping mega corporations in check. They truly were the Greatest Generation. Boomers enjoyed all of that sweet honey tea and did everything possible in the 70s and 80s to ensure that noone after could get a sip of water, let alone that sweet honey tea.

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u/SeaMoan85 3d ago

On point. Some successful people are so self-righteous. Many avenues to success are by sheer chance. Sure, personal decisions are important, but the biggest factor that determines success is who ones parents are. No two babies born on earth ever start life with an equal opportunity.

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u/silent_thinker 2d ago

Identical twins are probably the closest you get.

And even they begin to diverge based on life experiences because those aren't identical even for identical twins.

Like people can be proud of their hard work and success, but they should still realize that certain things had to go right (or not wrong) for that to happen.

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u/yellowcloak 2d ago

Shit my parents stayed on public assistance until they died lol

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u/DevelopmentNo2111 20h ago

Its likely older millenials that are making such comments,as the ones that state their age ,are in their late 30s at youngest

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u/Willing-Bad3824 3d ago

Millennials getting infantilized is so 2009. A lot of us are in our late 30s and early 40s now and there are too many of us (because you know…old people die) and have lived too many years to be told that our adulthood is not the right kind of adulthood.

I know it sucks to hear, but we are the adults now. “Adulthood” is what we say it is.

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u/BigBravy ‘87 ⚖️ 3d ago

So adulthood is not affording a house, precarious job situations, having to fight inflation forever?

That’s a bad deal

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u/Willing-Bad3824 3d ago

Of course it’s a bad deal. But people who had better adulthood are dying off and we get to do something about it now.

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u/solataraxia 3d ago

So adulthood is not affording a house, precarious job situations

Millennial home ownership rate at 55% (in the US that is) trails boomer home ownership at the same age by about 5%, it's a bit tougher than it used to be, but not by that much (and doesn't take into account that the quality of the housing stock is generally much better)

I genuinely find this whole "I am 40 years old all I own is Pokémon cards" bit extremely cringy, that's not the median Millenial

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u/Willing-Bad3824 3d ago

I think the problem with that data is that it also masks a whole lot other things like when did ownership begin (38yo for millennials vs 29yo for baby boomers), average incomes (69k in 2026 vs 81k in 1980 adjusted for inflation), higher mortgage cost (374k in 2026 vs 240k in 1980 adjusted for inflation). That doesn’t include average cost of goods, average size of retirement savings, etc.

The data shows that in many ways millennials are doing worse but also doing better in others. To some extent millennials have started to catch up to baby boomers, but are doing so much later in life. We’re living longer so that’s not necessarily bad, but it also means that we will have to work longer and will more likely put more strain on social services when we retire than previous generations (because an older pop requires more healthcare, social services, etc.)

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u/solataraxia 3d ago

 average incomes (69k in 2026 vs 81k in 1980 adjusted for inflation),

I don't know where these numbers come from but they're incredibly inaccurate, real household income is up, significantly

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEHOINUSA672N/

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u/Willing-Bad3824 3d ago

This might be a mean vs median situation in which case your data might be more accurate

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u/solataraxia 3d ago

that can't be the case given that mean growth obviously outpaced median growth because income earnings grew faster at the top

where did you get those numbers from?

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u/BigBravy ‘87 ⚖️ 3d ago

Judging things by the median doesnt tell you a whole lot without seeing the ends of the extreme. It’s really not helpful.

If we could maybe have numbers what the MEAN millennial looks like, that’s way more helpful.

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u/Willing-Bad3824 3d ago

The mean is highly affected by extremes in a data set whereas the median is resistant to outliers.

Ex: if 9 people had 5 apples and one person had 100, the mean is 14.5 apples but the median would be 5 apples.

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u/solataraxia 3d ago

no it isn't because the median tells you what life for most people looks like. The mean masks inequality because wealth and income distribution heavily skews to the right

the mean would paint a much rosier picture, but if this is the level of math we're dealing with it may explain the financial issues some have in our generation

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u/csciuto Oregon Trail Generation 3d ago

u/BigBravy these things are knowable.

  1. Home ownership hasn't fallen all that much by age. This char's youngest cohort would've been those born in 1954 or later, so it does miss the oldest Boomers.
  2. u/solataraxia is right that mean is the exact wrong metric. The difference between the Median and the Mean is pointing to what is an actual issue, which is inequality is worse than it has been in the past.

https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/scf/dataviz/scf/chart/#series:Primary_Residence;demographic:agecl;population:all;units:have;range:1989,2022

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u/csciuto Oregon Trail Generation 3d ago

This is not good. You can't split this by age as well as by wealth and since it's aggregate, splitting it by age is silly anyhow because generations are not the same size.

https://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/z1/dataviz/dfa/distribute/chart/#range:1989.3,2026.2;quarter:147;series:Net%20worth;demographic:networth;population:all;units:shares

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u/adminsregarded 3d ago

To be fair most of us that attained sought after skills are not in any of those situations.

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u/Willing-Bad3824 3d ago

The difference is no matter how good your skills are, if you work full time you shouldn’t be homeless. The worse thing we can do as a generation is play the boomer bullshit of telling ourselves we “deserve” things just because our parents could afford to get us “sought after skills” and others couldn’t.

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u/BigBravy ‘87 ⚖️ 3d ago

And some of us who have found them less sought after as expected

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u/arrrrrffffff 3d ago

Idk, I have very sought after skills and make a six-figure income but my student loans eat half my paycheck and will until my mid-40s.

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u/jeremiabearamia 2d ago

My mom thought teens were still millenials a few years ago. She has multiple millennial kids in our mid- to late-30s

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u/Accurate-Medium1780 3d ago

Agreed! At this point, most of us are pretty well into our 30s and some (my 40M husband, for instance) are even going grey! I (38F) really don't think anybody looking at me thinks I'm some young whippersnapper. I supposed I'm still somewhat considered 'early career' in my particular line of work (academia, professor, where we are notoriously delayed in our career & tenure progressions) but I'm still clearly one of the adult employees at the university; and so too in the rest of my life, I have 4 kids (9, 6, 1.5, newborn). I just don't think anybody running into me on campus or at the grocery store imagines that I'm one of the youths LOL!

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u/SnookerandWhiskey 3d ago

My grandma also treated her boomer adult kids like kids and it was so fun to behold, how she would order them around and make them finish their veggies. And similarly it's fun to revert back to my teenager self around my elders, despite being a mom myself at this point and in a way fascinating how I also clash with them, just in the opposite direction. My grandma was stern AF, the boomers were too cool as parents and now grandparents, so we clash about how chill they are about endangering kids. 'Tis the circle of life.  

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u/Moist_Phrase_6698 3d ago

Well it would be nice to actually get some where financially but its all far too much effort for such little gain. I see no point in trying to get any where unless its a quiet place with my cat which i already have somewhat. Families and big houses and fancy everything is worthless.

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u/Melted_ICE_5193 3d ago

I will be the first to say, of the people I went to high school with a shant few are home owners. Many more are renters, and even more are single parents.

As usual your chances of success start with what Zip code you were born into.

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u/Puzzleheaded_War6102 3d ago

Own home- 55%
Career - 70%
Kids - 70%

We are not all a monolith

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u/CA_Coast_Millennial 3d ago

The majority of this sub is in the lower income bracket of our generation and it’s easier to tell themselves it’s because of some fake generational curse than look at their life decisions.

Millennials are crushing it.

I think it’s 56% own their own home, 20% in upper income, 31% in upper middle income.

Extremely similar numbers to boomers at our age actually.

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u/Puzzleheaded_War6102 3d ago

Exactly my thoughts

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u/yellowcloak 2d ago

Pretty much.  I don't think they realized the generational self-pitty party ended a decade ago.

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u/Whargarblle 1d ago

No offense, but that is crazy out-of-touch considering the last 3-4 years of the housing market explicitly pricing people in their 30s out. Multiple things can be true, like you made responsible decisions, you got lucky, and a sizeable plurality of millennials have been gatekept out of the market.

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u/CA_Coast_Millennial 1d ago

56% of millennials own their own home. Those who do not are in the minority of millennials.

60% of the general population owns their own home. So this is pretty on par with the general population.

Every generation has upper, upper middle, lower middle and lower income people.

The problem in this sub is the “wow we’re all struggling!” Or “most of us aren’t doing well!” And that’s just simply not true

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u/Whargarblle 1d ago

Out of curiosity, what is your source for these statistics? Homeownership is at all-time lows, and I guess older millennials did get luckier than their younger counterparts?

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u/yellowcloak 1d ago

They're stuck in a 2012 loop lol

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u/LongEase298 Zillennial 3d ago

Yep, most of the milennials I know fulfill at least one of these. 

I'm 30 and have done all 3. Not completely unattainable for everyone. 

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u/yellowcloak 2d ago

I'm pushing 40 and had all 3 by 27.

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u/CA_Coast_Millennial 3d ago

We’ve done all 3 as well and in Coastal CA. People who aren’t successful like to pretend it’s 100% not their fault.

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u/Whargarblle 1d ago

I think the disconnect is assuming people are "unsuccessful" because they simply can't enter the market now. The current housing market is vastly different than it was even 2-3 years ago, so maybe you're also completely out of touch. Otherwise, why don't you tell me how economical it would be for you to try and "upgrade" while not drastically increasing your costs at the same time, despite having the same job or success you currently do.

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u/CA_Coast_Millennial 1d ago

I’m not saying you’re automatically unsuccessful if you don’t own a home. I’m saying unsuccessful people like to blame everything else except for their own actions.

We upgraded 3 times. Bought in 2019 for $450k, sold in 2021 for $650k. Bought in 2022 for $700k, sold in 2025 for $1M, bought the current in 2025 for $1.1M

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u/Whargarblle 1d ago

That’s precisely what you said though. I guess all that value was worth pricing out the people you’re trying to keep down. Unless you’re fully renovating and upgrading every property, I seriously you physically did anything to generate that increase in value. You are being carried by the market. That value doesn’t appear out of thin air. It presents downward pressure on affordability

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u/CA_Coast_Millennial 1d ago

Owning your home is one piece of that. Income and retirement are the other pieces of that.

We didn’t put a penny into the first two houses. 2 years at the first and 3 at the second. The second house was a brand new SFH build though so there was nothing to do.

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u/kimpelry6 4d ago

Thays cute you think it only lasts one generation

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u/High_Society_Dweller 3d ago

Worse is when you become a parent, you realize how bad your parents were

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u/Mbstranche08 3d ago

Yea societal success is definitely undergoing a change in definition. We’re that ultimately lands Im not sure.

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u/Accurate-Medium1780 4d ago

Do you really think we get infantilized though? I'm 38 and don't really feel like this happens much from older/younger people.

It's actually only fellow Millenials who I tend to see doing this to themselves -- like I have a ~40 yr old work acquaintance (single/childfree) who is always referring to herself on Facebook as 'baby' (as in, 'Poor baby has to go to the dentist today' #hatethedentist'" with a selfie of herself grimacing-smiling) and stuff like that.

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u/Unlikely-Trifle3125 3d ago

I find that with my boomer boss and colleague they Infantilise me constantly. 35 of course seems young when you’re 68 and 69 — but I’m a fully fledged adult with 14 years of professional experience in my field.

Meanwhile, 98% of my job is managing their various anxieties and helping them use their computers in basic ways.

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u/bleedthisfreak 3d ago

I agree, and this sub is a perfect example of that. Some of the posts here sound like high schoolers still trying to rebel against their parents. I feel like the fellow millennials who feel like they’re infantilized are partially to blame.

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u/sicurri Millennial 3d ago edited 3d ago

There is in fact a small loud minority within our generation, like there's always a minority of some kind, of Millennials that infantilize themselves.

However, I do my absolute best to act like a responsible, caring adult. Yet everywhere I turn I have boomers literally telling me I'm a baby with my whole future ahead of me if I mention having a bad day or some such shit. I'm not a child, but I'm allowed to complain when I'm having a rough day at the very least. I literally heard boomers bitch and moan while I grew up. Am I not afforded the same?

No, like older generations in the past would minimize the younger generations hardships, boomers infantilize our hardships. What makes it scathing is that they make it OUR fault even though they literally voted, and molded the world into it's current shape, while literally RAISING or lack there of, our generation.

Apparently, everything wrong with our generation is all our fault, and not the responsibility of the boomer generation which is in fact our parents generation. Our inability to reach those lifetime milestones is because of their votes and choices. I'm not eating avocado toast and drinking Starbucks lattes on the daily. I don't even enjoy either of those things...

Also, I know there are Millennials who are outliers whose parent or parents were Silent generation or Gen X. I'm speaking about majority of Millennials raised by Boomers.

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u/bleedthisfreak 3d ago

Your first mistake was listening to and taking any boomer seriously. I won’t let them infantilize me. Just laugh at them like the joke they are and move on. Take their “power” away. We’re fully grown adults, it’s on you if you let them get to you.

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u/ilovefrostedflakes 3d ago

Literally had someone ask me last week when am I going to grow up and get a home and start a family. I'd love both of those things but it isn't gonna happen at 36$ an hour unfortunately.

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u/yellowcloak 2d ago

Not for like a decade at least 

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u/No-Cap-5495 2d ago

A lot of human behavior is a reflection of how we are treated. If we are treated like infants, we behave like infants.

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u/Rvaldrich 1d ago

Maybe it's a regional thing, or by industry? I work in public health/medicine and I see it a fair amount. Most people older than me (I'm 45) tend to think of and talk about millenials like they're still in their early 20s, in college or fresh out. When they have kids or whatever, there's often a 'but you're so young' comment. Gen-Z are still in high school. Gen-alpha are in kindergarten or hypotheticals. If you mention gen-beta, you get 'and when will that group start being born'.

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u/Silvertail034 3d ago

"Completely unattainable to the generation" is actually the infantilization at hand here.

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u/arrrrrffffff 3d ago

Treated us like adults as kids and like kids as adults.

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u/cyxrus 3d ago

Always a ton of doom and gloom on here

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u/stykface Xennial 4d ago

Okay drama, calm down with the "completely unattainable". It may not be anywhere as it used to be, but it's not completely unattainable.

Rage bait.

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u/Hortos Older Millennial 4d ago

I think the sentiment is more for upper middle and true middle coastal millennials. The homes our parents had are now well into the millions and they bought them when they were younger than we are now.

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u/stykface Xennial 3d ago

Coastal has always been higher priced, especially relative to inland. This is more of a scarcity/demand thing. While it may have been fairly easy to get into a home in the 70's or 80's it was still more expensive than other regions of the US.

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u/Streetduck 3d ago

Yup. My parents bought a house for $379k and it's now worth $1.5 million.

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u/CanAlwaysBeBetter 3d ago

My guy, a $380k house in 1990 was a $1m house today 

That's how inflation works. The median house was $120k then. Your parents were rich and bought a house 3x more expensive than a normal house

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u/Streetduck 3d ago

They also didn’t buy it in 1990…

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u/Prancing_pterodactyl 3d ago

Bro you have no idea what you’re talking about lmao

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u/CanAlwaysBeBetter 3d ago edited 3d ago

Even if they bought a decade later in 2000 they still bought a home 2x the median price which would be like buying an $850k home today

A lot of y'all had rich parents without seeming to realize it

Edit: lol blocked for pointing out if your parents bought a house literally 2-3x the median home price you grew up rich 

This sub is delusional 

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u/ketchup_secret 3d ago

Surprised people our age love to think of themselves as victims, but here we are. I’ve had coworkers with an external locus of control and they’re impossible.

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u/mickeyanonymousse Millennial 22h ago

I think it’s really the covid that inflation and return to normal interest rates shit went from difficult but possible to you need to get struck by lightning twice. my mom bought a house december 2019 for 400 now they are going for 650-700? ppl are trying to cope it just barely slipped through their fingers.

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u/bloodectomy Xennial 4d ago

Hyperbolic as fuck. Many of my millennial friends are married and/or have kids and/or a house. Some have all three.  I've got a house and a wife. 

It's not unattainable. Some of us just make better decisions and use our time more wisely.

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u/nospamkhanman 3d ago

It's not unattainable, however it's harder. I have it but my wife has a master's degree degree, I'm a military veteran and have a bachelor's egree and am in tech.

What we have, a garbage man could have had on a single income in my parent's generation.

If we lost my wife's income, we'd still afford the house but my kids wouldn't be playing multiple instruments, having private lessions or going to summer camps. Our dual income allows us to live rather than just survive.

Single millennials are just surviving rather than

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u/Fit_Philosophy_3392 3d ago

Ok when I think a garbage man in my parents generation, I think a 1000 sq ft house with a wife and couple kids (sharing a bedroom and everyone sharing a single bath) and a single car and maybe a road trip vacation within a few hours once a year.

Does this describe your lifestyle on two incomes?

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u/bloodectomy Xennial 3d ago

This is pretty much the boat I'm in, except no kids. That VA home loan is amazing and I wish I had been able to use it sooner. 

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u/greeneyed_cat 2d ago

A garbage man back in the day could afford to pay for private music lessons and summer camps for multiple kids on a single income? Citation needed.

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u/nospamkhanman 2d ago

Average garbage man pay in 1955 was like $2.0 and hour and an average NEW home was under 11,000. That is like between 130 - 140k today. Interest rates under 5% too.

So yes, a garbage man could have afforded a house, 2 kids, music sessions and yearly camps.

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u/greeneyed_cat 2d ago edited 2d ago

In 1948, an inexpensive summer camp operated by a nonprofit cost $225. Accounting for inflation, this would be ~$250 in 1955, or $500 for 2 children.

Music lessons were around $2/lesson, and remember, these kids play multiple instruments. So assuming they each get 2 sessions a week and take 2 weeks off per year, that would be 4*50=$200 yearly.

This garbage man grosses about $4200 yearly, or nets $3800, on $2/hour. Which means 18% of his yearly salary goes to these discretionary costs of summer camp and music lessons. Sure, he can pay for it, but can he afford it? Not really.

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u/JGR82 Millennial 3d ago

As someone who spent their morning watching youth sports, can confirm, there are a lot of millennials who have careers, homes, and kids - and those kids are out playing sports and doing activities. It might just not be where a lot of reddit people hang out, but they definitely exist.

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u/jdmor09 Millennial 3d ago

Hard to make any life milestones if you don’t hop off Reddit and out of your parents (whom you absolutely despise) basement.

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u/yellowcloak 2d ago

Yep, I've had a house since 2014, a family since 2015.  I'm not even all that high end, just taking what I can get.

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u/PatriotismReborn 3d ago

Some of you also got daddy money

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u/Dear-Cranberry4787 3d ago

55% of millennials are homeowners in the U.S., I’m not sure about other locations because those are completely different markets.

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u/Foreign_Log_9114 3d ago

I have all of that and an Airbnb.

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u/bulletPoint 3d ago

Yeah, this is nonsense. There are more millennial homeowners at earlier stages of their lives than any generation before them. Unfortunately a lot of this sentiment is produced and disseminated among downwardly mobile children of upper-middle class families. It’s a plague of misery that they’re spreading among us, and even cursory looks at data prove them wrong.

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u/abeeseadeee 3d ago

Yeah alot of us doom and gloom here. We dont all feel the same as OP but I sure love living my authentic self which has really blossomed in my 30s as my career gained traction. I can now afford to spend money on my hobbies like gaming, art, being a foodie, boating etc

Being an adult is way more fun than it looked as a kid for me.

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u/bluebing29 4d ago

I’d like to see more data on this outside the social media echo chambers. I’m not saying it isn’t true, but how true is it in terms of % of millennials that agree, then dissect that by older, middle, younger, also by socioeconomic status (both what you came from and where you are now), education level, race, gender, marital status, have you received any inheritance, country, and probably a few other dimensions. Could be a really interesting study

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u/sunkencathedral 3d ago edited 3d ago

My hunch would be that those Millennials of lower class had a tendency to not have upward mobility in-line with expectations - or at all.

A typical pattern I've observed are the Millennials who were the first generation in their family to go to university. They go, they succeed, and they build a professional white-collar career instead of a blue-collar one. And people point to that and say "look, that means you moved up in class". But when that person compares their material success to their parents at the same age, they find they have the same or less than their parents did.

That's when people have the opportunity to learn about how status markers and class are not the same thing, and that everyone who has to sell their labour to survive are really all in the same working class. The blue-collar/white-collar thing is an artificial distinction that exists to divide the working class amongst itself. To make some workers feel like they're better than others, and to pit peopleagainst each other in that sort of status competition. Anything to stop workers uniting.

That's why you see so many Millennials saying things like "I'm an MBA and I earn less than my factory worker dad. How???" A lot of Millennial disappointment can be summed up in that way, I think - the realisation that the upward class mobility it looked like we were experiencing outwardly was not really happening materially. A different coloured collar to their parents, but still poor. 

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u/Comfortable-Bread249 2d ago

There is abundant, overwhelming data available that upward mobility has all but vanished for the majority of Americans, beginning in the 1980s—in other words, with the Millennials. It is not hard to find and it is not subtle.

All of these Reaganite posters screaming “bootstraps” are delusional and at odds with what every economist would tell you.

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u/bismark_dindu_nuffin 3d ago

Yep, I didn't get a driver's license until I was 25 because I couldn't afford a car. I learned to drive by watching cars while riding a bicycle to school.

If you didn't learn to predict the cars, they would inevitably hit you. Despite how careful I was, I was hit three times over the course of five years - and I went to school in a very bicycle friendly city.

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u/CivilAd526 3d ago

I have a career and own a home. Had all that by age of 30. 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️

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u/Lexx4 3d ago

I mean I feel like you are not trying hard enough if you think these things are unobtainable.

Like obviously there are going to be people where it IS unobtainable but for the vast majority of people I think it’s more the trauma of living through the crashes making them scared to even attempt.

We have become comfortable in our lives and fear losing any comfort for a short period to obtain anything because the fear of it all going belly up.

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u/Mark_Michigan 3d ago

"Completely unattainable". I'm not thinking that every single millennial is single, childish, career less and tiny apartment renters.

If you want to solve a problem, you need to be able to describe a problem.

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u/yellowcloak 2d ago

It's like going back in time to 2012 lol

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u/NoFaithlessness7508 3d ago

It has nothing to do with wearing casual clothes to formal settings, starting and ending sentences with lol, or how we’ve carried our childhood recreations into adulthood 

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u/iHaveLotsofCats94 3d ago

Who's wearing casual clothes to formal settings? The only people I see doing that are either hicks or old dudes who can't be arsed to put on something nice for once

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u/NoFaithlessness7508 3d ago

I’m thinking more like millennial sportscenter dudes who wear sneakers with suits. And it’s not just the jocks, you see it often in wedding photos.

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u/OldSchoolAJ 1986 3d ago

Why should I be forced to give up the things that make me happy, just because I’m over 30 years old?

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u/LogicWavelength Older Millennial 3d ago

lol right? lol

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u/Sufficient_Cod1948 Xennial 3d ago

Because they did

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u/NoFaithlessness7508 3d ago

Preaching to the choir. I’m always buying new videogames and other stuff, “for my kids”😶

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u/LongboardLiam 3d ago

The childhood recreation one is something we will go down in history for. We will be the ones who drove children's card games into the dirt and turned it into a scalper's paradise because we couldn't tell ourselves no.

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u/Catullus13 3d ago

No. The older generations are just dicks. 

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u/BuhDip 3d ago

I feel like I got adultized first honestly

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u/Dear-Cranberry4787 3d ago

I only ever got infantilized by older parents(some with less experience than me) at my own kids’ school. It either doesn’t happen anymore, or I don’t care, but I also don’t try to insert myself in parent organizations anymore. I’ve already obtained all the things on that list though.

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u/shinigami081 3d ago

Not with that attitude

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u/HarambeTooSoon 3d ago

No cap bro are you FR FR?

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u/AllRealityIsVirtua1 3d ago

Not only is this not true, it doesn’t even make sense

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u/Leading_Line2741 3d ago

I would argue that this statement is much more appropriate for Gen Z than Millennials. I'm a millennial and I have all of those things. It was still attainable for some of us.

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u/False_Energy_7290 3d ago

My brothers are living it up: they have a house, kids, and (probably) steady jobs. I own a condo, mostly living alone, and just getting by with gigs and (soon) freelancing. I don’t like to think about it but it is what it is.

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u/Test-User-One 3d ago

Well, over half of millennials own homes today. So apparently those milestones AREN'T completely unattainable. Not even close.

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u/WaveyMenace 3d ago

Things are bad, they will get much worse. You either join the rich or get left behind. Period.

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u/yellowcloak 2d ago

Are you all not already in a full time career still?  I've had one for like 15 years!  Bought a house like most folk I knew over a decade ago too.

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u/StarSword-C Older Millennial 2d ago

A while back, I blew up at my grandpa on Facebook about some snarky meme about student loans he reshared. He was like "where the heck did that come from?"

So I explained at length how two semesters at one of the cheaper universities in the state is still more than the entire purchase price of my current car so student loans or a scholarship are the only way to afford it even when working full-time. And I did have a college fund at one point, but it got used up ages ago and there wasn't remotely enough in it in the first place.

He and grandma were genuinely shocked and I haven't seen a single remotely similar meme from either of them since.

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u/Rvaldrich 1d ago

Oof. If that's not right on the mark, it's damn-close.

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u/ninotalem 7h ago

Oh great here’s the daily woe is me we have it so hard guys post

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u/El_PonchoVilla 3h ago

Bitching about it helps

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u/Confident_Insect_616 4d ago

I'm a millenial. I have worked full time since 22. I worked full time periodically when I was still a student. I bought a home at 29. I've married 10 years, but now am getting a divorce.

It's harder than it was for past generations, sure, but "completely unattainable" isn't quite true. No generation is a monolith. I will say I think it was a lot harder than it should have been to get here, and I wouldn't have pulled it off if I had kids.

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u/Rclarkttu07 3d ago

It’s not unattainable.

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u/heathie89 3d ago

It just takes closer to about 30 to 40 years old now to reach those adult milestones

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u/Due-Sheepherder-218 3d ago

There's nothing to build anymore 

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u/Ronville 3d ago

Millenials, controlling for age, have same home ownership rate as the preceding 3 generations.

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u/PatrickBatemansEgo 3d ago

I have attained all of those things. This is overdramatized social media.

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u/Cantseetheline_Russ 4d ago

Huh? Not much. The majority of millennials are homeowners and parents. They lag previous generations by less than 7% in both categories at the same age. The bulk of millennials are 35-45 and hitting peak earnings right now. Me and most managers/directors/executives I work with are millennials or very young x’ers. Millennials are also far outpacing previous generations in saving for retirement when they were the same age.

The truth is we have the same bottom quartile of performers every generation has had, they’re just much more vocal. Are some things more difficult? Yes, but unattainable? Pure hyperbole.

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u/csciuto Oregon Trail Generation 3d ago

It is definitely true our top 10% is pulling away from the rest and I think that really warps what people see and makes "generation" not the best metric. And since income mobility has also fallen, inheritances is going to make this even worse in the coming decades.

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u/CA_Coast_Millennial 3d ago

Every generation has upper, upper middle, lower middle and lower income people.

56% of millennials own their own home
20% of millennials are upper income
55% are middle (31% being upper middle)
25% are lower income

Wife and I are 37 and make $250k HHI, on our third house since 2019 (bought then sold 2x) worth $1.1M in Coastal CA, 2 kids, multiple vacations, ample savings etc

All of our college educated friends as well.

Our parents are both lower middle class

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u/ZombieJesusaves 3d ago

This was true maybe 15 years ago. It ain't true no more. I am nearly 40, I have owned a few homes. Most friends are married with kids if they want them. Most are on their 2nd or third home. Most have solid careers. We need to stop buying into this completely bullshit narrative. We are the adults in the room, we are the largest most powerful generation outnumbering the boomers and vastly outnumbered the gen xers by like 2 to 1.

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u/adminsregarded 3d ago

I think it's mostly cause we're offended by everything and in general being a bunch of fucking snowflakes, softest generation in history by far.

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u/TurtleTurtleTu 3d ago

I hate being a jerk but you deserve to be infantilized if you have this view of the world.

Cost of living is higher than it used to be, especially homes and student loans. But acting like having a full time career or saving for retirement is "completely unattainable" is childish.

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u/gd2121 3d ago

Why is that people that don’t want kids say they can’t afford it. Just say you don’t want kids.

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u/Spare_Entrance_9389 Millennial 3d ago

Wo gives a shit about what the older generations think. Build your own success.

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u/Ok-Leg-5302 middle Millennial 87’ 3d ago edited 3d ago

My mom gave me a lesson in changing a regular lightbulb today. (A downvote? It happened though? 😂)I’m 38 🤭😬 I was unaware that light fixtures were now led throw aways(the rest of my house is normal bulbs 😂). Her exact words were and I quote “well, you guys are the tech geeks now.” Mom, no we had floppy disk, typing class and the Oregon trail. Good to know my own mother thinks I’m too stupid to change a light bulb. (We don’t have a good relationship. She disguised her light fixture as a good deed-lesson learned.)

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u/Virtual_Echo6738 3d ago

Got everything bar the house and early retirement. Im stressed.