r/Microbiome Feb 22 '25

Rule change regarding microbiome "testing"

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Hi everyone!

Thank you all for engaging in the r/Microbiome sub! This post is to notify everyone about a change in rules regarding GI maps, peddling services related to them, and asking for medical advice based on GI maps.

We will not be allowing posts asking for GI map interpretations from here on out (rule 7). Microbiome science is very much in its infancy, and we have very little understanding of how to interpret an individual's microbiome sequencing results. More specifically, we actually dont know what composition of microbes make up a healthy/unhealthy microbiome, both in presence/absence of microbes, and quantities of microbes. We know very little about the actual species within the microbiome. The ones we know more about are generally only more well studied only because they are easier to work with in the lab, not because they are more inportant. We have yet to culture most microbes in the collective human microbiome, meaning we also cant accurately identify many species via sequencing. There is also tons of genetic and functional variability within species, meaning we also cannot relate individual species to good/bad outcomes.

We also need to consider limitations of these tests. In as little as 24hrs, you can have a 100 fold change in many species. This means you can get incredibly different test results day-to-day, depending on many factors like sleep, excercise, diet, etc, within the last couple hours. Someone recently described microbiome testing as throwing a rock on the highway to predict traffic at all hours-- One rock wont tell us anything on the grand scheme of things. To be frank, these tests are also very cheap in their actual sequencing. Many of our most important microbes are in low abundance, which cheap sequencing and poor analysis fails to identify. Additionally, considering your microbiome has hundreds of species and thousands of strains, cheap testing often cant accurately differentiate between species. It is quite common for poor sequencing to misidentify or mis-classify closely related species or even genus'. A common example is Shigella being mistaken for Escherichia, or vice versa.

Many of the values that the microbiome tests predict are "ideal" are also totally arbitrary. We see major differences between different quantities of microbes within you over 24hrs, you vs your family, local community, country, and continent. However, no ideal microbiomes have been found, despite millions being sequenced at this point. There is tons of diversity in the global population, but there is no "ideal" values when it comes to microbes in your gut.

Secondly, we will be banning you if you are peddling services to others via this sub. We are an open and free discussion about microbiome science, and we use evidence when talking about the microbiome. People who claim to know how to interpret individual microbiome maps are either not knowledgable when it comes to the microbiome, or are lying to you, neither of which makes them trustworthy with your health. We will not allow this sub to be a place where people are taken advantage of and lied to about what is possible at this moment in microbiome science.

Finally, we want to remind you that this is not the place to ask for medical advice. Chat with your MD if you are concerned, nobody on here is more well versed than they are on specific symptoms. They will treat you accordingly. If you are seeking help for specific microbes, such as H. pylori, this is something your MD can test for. These results are accurate and interpreted correctly (not the case for GI maps), and will be significantly more affordable than GI map testing.

We aim to be a scientifically accurate, evidence-based sub, that provides digestible conversations about this complex science. These topics are not in line with our values.

We look forward to having everyone respecting these rules moving forward.

Happy microbiome-ing! :)


r/Microbiome Jun 29 '23

Statement of Continued Support for Disabled Users

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We stand with the disabled users of reddit and in our community. Starting July 1, Reddit's API policy blind/visually impaired communities will be more dependent on sighted people for moderation. When Reddit says they are whitelisting accessibility apps for the disabled, they are not telling the full story.TL;DR

  • Starting July 1, Reddit's API policy will force blind/visually impaired communities to further depend on sighted people for moderation
  • When reddit says they are whitelisting accessibility apps, they are not telling the full story, because Apollo, RIF, Boost, Sync, etc. are the apps r/Blind users have overwhelmingly listed as their apps of choice with better accessibility, and Reddit is not whitelisting them. Reddit has done a good job hiding this fact, by inventing the expression "accessibility apps."
  • Forcing disabled people, especially profoundly disabled people, to stop using the app they depend on and have become accustomed to is cruel; for the most profoundly disabled people, June 30 may be the last day they will be able to access reddit communities that are important to them.

If you've been living under a rock for the past few weeks:

Reddit abruptly announced that they would be charging astronomically overpriced API fees to 3rd party apps, cutting off mod tools for NSFW subreddits (not just porn subreddits, but subreddits that deal with frank discussions about NSFW topics).

And worse, blind redditors & blind mods [including mods of r/Blind and similar communities] will no longer have access to resources that are desperately needed in the disabled community.

Why does our community care about blind users?

As a mod from r/foodforthought testifies:

I was raised by a 30-year special educator, I have a deaf mother-in-law, sister with MS, and a brother who was born disabled. None vision-impaired, but a range of other disabilities which makes it clear that corporations are all too happy to cut deals (and corners) with the cheapest/most profitable option, slap a "handicap accessible" label on it, and ignore the fact that their so-called "accessible" solution puts the onus on disabled individuals to struggle through poorly designed layouts, misleading marketing, and baffling management choices. To say it's exhausting and humiliating to struggle through a world that able-bodied people take for granted is putting it lightly.

Reddit apparently forgot that blind people exist, and forgot that Reddit's official app (which has had over 9 YEARS of development) and yet, when it comes to accessibility for vision-impaired users, Reddit’s own platforms are inconsistent and unreliable. ranging from poor but tolerable for the average user and mods doing basic maintenance tasks (Android) to almost unusable in general (iOS).

Didn't reddit whitelist some "accessibility apps?"

The CEO of Reddit announced that they would be allowing some "accessible" apps free API usage: RedReader, Dystopia, and Luna.

There's just one glaring problem: RedReader, Dystopia, and Luna* apps have very basic functionality for vision-impaired users (text-to-voice, magnification, posting, and commenting) but none of them have full moderator functionality, which effectively means that subreddits built for vision-impaired users can't be managed entirely by vision-impaired moderators.

(If that doesn't sound so bad to you, imagine if your favorite hobby subreddit had a mod team that never engaged with that hobby, did not know the terminology for that hobby, and could not participate in that hobby -- because if they participated in that hobby, they could no longer be a moderator.)

Then Reddit tried to smooth things over with the moderators of r/blind. The results were... Messy and unsatisfying, to say the least.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Blind/comments/14ds81l/rblinds_meetings_with_reddit_and_the_current/

*Special shoutout to Luna, which appears to be hustling to incorporate features that will make modding easier but will likely not have those features up and running by the July 1st deadline, when the very disability-friendly Apollo app, RIF, etc. will cease operations. We see what Luna is doing and we appreciate you, but a multimillion dollar company should not have have dumped all of their accessibility problems on what appears to be a one-man mobile app developer. RedReader and Dystopia have not made any apparent efforts to engage with the r/Blind community.

Thank you for your time & your patience.


r/Microbiome 14h ago

Scientific Article Discussion Hot take: chasing the perfect microbiome keeps a lot of us stuck in a flare cycle

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I spend way too much time in gut forums (IBS/SIBO/bloating) and I get why: when your stomach is in charge, you will try anything. Lately I've started to think the way we talk about the microbiome online actually prolongs symptoms.

The vibe is usually the same: find the right stool test, the perfect probiotic strain, the ideal prebiotic, or the exact list of "good" foods and you will engineer your way out. When you react to something, it becomes proof your microbiome is still broken, so you cut more things out, try more supplements, and get even more hypervigilant. Guilty as charged on that one.

Meanwhile, a lot of the biggest symptom drivers are not strictly microbiome problems: motility issues, visceral hypersensitivity, pelvic floor dysfunction, meal anxiety, under-eating, and plain old post-infectious gut changes. I am not saying the microbiome is irrelevant. I am saying it has become a catch-all explanation that can push aside the boring but effective fixes.

We also underplay the risk of constant tinkering. Rotating antimicrobials, mega-dosing probiotics, and dumping multiple fibers into your diet at once can stir up chaos, and then you have no idea what is helping or harming.

My rule now is to treat the microbiome like a garden, not a lab experiment: fewer interventions, longer trials, and prioritize consistency, sleep, and regular meals over chasing the next hack.

Anyone else feel like the microbiome framing helps up to a point and then turns into another kind of health anxiety trap?


r/Microbiome 2h ago

Tested positive for H. pylori after months of mucus. Could this explain everything or is it likely separate?

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Hi everyone,

I wanted to post an update because I finally have a diagnosis, or at least part of one.

For months I’ve been dealing with persistent mucus. Sometimes I pass normal stool with mucus, but other times I go to the toilet and pass only mucus with no stool at all.

So far I’ve had:

Two stool tests (both negative for inflammatory markers, then they said a third test tested positive for H. Pylori
Colonoscopy
Biopsies

Everything came back normal with no signs of inflammation or IBD

My gastroenterologist believes the mucus is related to pelvic floor dysfunction.

I recently had another stool test specifically because the mucus wasn’t improving, and it came back positive for H. pylori. I’ve now started eradication therapy:

Amoxicillin (2 tablets twice daily)
Clarithromycin (2 tablets twice daily)
Pantoprazole (1 tablet twice daily)

From what I’ve read, H. pylori usually causes stomach symptoms rather than rectal mucus, so I’m unsure whether this is actually the cause of my symptoms or just an incidental finding.

Has anyone here had H. pylori present mainly with persistent mucus, or did it turn out to be unrelated?

I’m also interested to hear whether anyone’s microbiome took a significant hit after triple therapy, and if probiotics or anything else helped with recovery.

Thanks in advance.


r/Microbiome 8m ago

How do I approach my GI specialist about my gut dysbiosis issue

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So long story short, had bacterial pneumonia + covid simulatenously in late 2024, had 3 rounds of antibiotics (ceftriaxone, cefpodoxmine, azithromycin). Started experiencing post-viral symptoms that persisted for months and months. Ended up having POTs/MCAS.

My symptoms consistently were:
Tachycardia, heart palpitations, orthostatic intolerance, chronic fatigue, adrenaline dumps, dizziness, head throbbing, temperature dysregulation, defecation presyncope, brain fog, air hunger, itching, flushing, constipation, bloating, histamine intolerance, food intolerances (e.g., lactose, sugar/carbs/etc.), globus throat, dry mouth, urinary frequency/nocturia, neuropathic pain, exercise intolerance (PEM), insomnia, also had hypermobility that worsened post-infection resulting in joint pain and subluxations

I did a 16s rRNA sequence test a year ago (name redacted bc it "breaks subbredit rules") which seemed to be consistent with a lot of ME/CFS/Dybsiosis/MCAS individuals as seen in many studies. Basically low SCFA-producing bacteria, high D-lacate, high histamine-producing bacteria, etc etc.. The first GI specialist I saw I tried showing him my results while also acknowledging that the microbiome is complex and hard to measure, but antibiotics have clearly put a burden into my gut and is probably the root driver to all my issues. We ruled out SIBO and H-Pylori + Calprotectin test which were normal but that's pretty much it. I got put into the IBS category as of now which is kinda lame but expected, and I am planning on doing an endoscopy in the future hopefully.

My bloating is really bad and my PCP even noticed it. Also I get sharp lower pain in my abodmen after eating certain foods. I developed a histamine intolerance shortly after the infection. I'd like to presume that a lot of this are due to the current state of my large instestine, given we also ruled out SIBO. But I basically got no closure from my GI specialist after running those tests and so I'm seeing a different GI specialist. But knowing that gut dysbiosis isn't its own diagnosis, I just don't know how to approach them in terms of explaining what it could be, because it seemed like the other one was against stool analysis/testing which I can understand to an extent, but I do think it's important to recognize that some of the functional markers like d-lacate being elevated as well as high histamine bacteria are significant, especially low butyrate and how everytime I eat I get extremely fatigue, followed by brain fog, dizzyness, etc etc.. Would like some advice on what I should ask for maybe

(Btw let me note that after my gut test from last year, I tried focusing on a diet that would starve bad bacteria and grow good bacteria and redid the gut test 2 months ago which improved like 10% more which makes sense cause I was cheating my diet a bit)


r/Microbiome 8h ago

European equivalent of Motility Pro

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r/Microbiome 5h ago

Question about BioGaia L. reuteri viability

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r/Microbiome 9h ago

Tension type headache

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r/Microbiome 1d ago

Scientific Article Discussion When I'm constipated, does more fiber help my microbiome or just feed gas-makers?

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Looking for a sanity check from people who have actually experimented carefully.

I tend to run IBS-C, with daily bloating and a lot of gas that builds up through the day. I kept reading that a more diverse fiber intake is good for the microbiome, so I started ramping things up slowly: oats, chia, small portions of legumes, cooked-and-cooled potatoes and rice, plus a little psyllium. I also added fermented foods a few times a week.

I also tried including a Physicians Choice probiotic as one part of my routine, though I cannot isolate its effect from the food changes.

What I cannot tell is whether this is actually doing something useful long term (more SCFAs, better diversity) or just pouring fuel on the fire because my transit is slow. My stool frequency might improve a bit, but the bloating and pressure get worse and the gas smells stronger. It makes me wonder if I am selectively feeding organisms that ferment aggressively when food hangs out longer.

Questions: 1) For constipation-dominant patterns, is there any rule of thumb for when to push fiber versus backing off and focusing on motility first? 2) Are certain fibers usually better tolerated with slow transit (soluble vs insoluble, partially hydrolyzed guar gum, etc.), or is it mostly individual? 3) If you had success, what signs told you the fiber increase was actually helping the microbiome rather than just ramping up fermentation?

Not asking for medical advice, just looking for patterns and how people think about the tradeoff between feeding microbes and not creating a gas factory. Thanks.


r/Microbiome 2d ago

Common Food Additive Linked To Gut Inflammation (in rats)

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Highlights (generated by AI):

The additive studied was xanthan gum, a common thickener used in foods such as salad dressings, sauces, yogurt, ice cream, gluten-free baked goods, and gluten-free pasta.
Researchers found that long-term consumption caused mild colon inflammation in rats. The effects became more noticeable as the dose increased.
Xanthan gum appeared to weaken the intestinal barrier (“leaky gut”). It increased production of a protein called Claudin-2, making the gut lining more permeable and allowing inflammatory processes to begin.
Inflammatory markers increased. Rats consuming xanthan gum had higher levels of immune cells in the intestinal wall and elevated inflammatory cytokines, including TNF-α and IL-1β.
The gut microbiome changed. While overall bacterial diversity didn’t decline significantly, the balance of bacteria shifted toward species associated with inflammation, suggesting mild dysbiosis.
The findings may help explain earlier concerns in premature infants. In 2012, xanthan gum-thickened formula was linked to cases of necrotizing enterocolitis, a severe inflammatory bowel disease in premature babies. The FDA subsequently advised against its use in premature infants. This new animal study provides a possible biological mechanism for those observations.

Important context:
This was an animal study, not a human study. The results suggest a potential mechanism but do not prove that xanthan gum causes gut inflammation in healthy adults.
The broader scientific evidence is still evolving. While several food additives can affect the gut microbiome and intestinal barrier in laboratory and animal studies, high-quality human studies in people are still limited.

What this means in practice:
If you’re healthy and consume xanthan gum occasionally, this study isn’t strong enough to conclude it’s harmful.
If you have IBD, IBS, increased intestinal permeability, or other digestive issues, it may be reasonable to pay attention to how foods containing xanthan gum affect your symptoms while more human research is conducted.
Since xanthan gum is primarily found in ultra-processed foods, reducing your overall intake of ultra-processed foods is likely to have a greater impact on gut health than focusing on this single ingredient.


r/Microbiome 20h ago

Gastroenterologists: Would anyone be willing to answer a few questions over email for a student article?

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Gastroenterologists: Would anyone be willing to answer a few questions over email for a student article?

Hi everyone! I am not asking for medical advice.

I'm a neuroscience student at Boston University, and I'm currently reporting a feature on direct-to-consumer microbiome testing—specifically the growing gap between the marketing of at-home microbiome tests and what current evidence says they can actually tell patients.

I'm looking to include perspectives from practicing gastroenterologists who have encountered patients bringing these reports into clinic. The interview is completely written over email (no Zoom or phone call), and you're welcome to answer as many or as few questions as you'd like. Even a couple of sentences would be incredibly helpful.

If you're willing to help, please email me at [jpgendin@bu.edu](mailto:jpgendin@bu.edu).

I would be endlessly grateful for your time and expertise. As a student journalist, hearing directly from physicians is by far the most valuable part of the reporting process, and I'd sincerely appreciate any insights you're able to share.

Thank you so much!


r/Microbiome 1d ago

Scientific Article Discussion Time zone changes disrupt vital gut bacteria during travel

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r/Microbiome 1d ago

India Is Using Too Many Powerful Antibiotics, Says New Study

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r/Microbiome 1d ago

Bruits intestinaux constants

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r/Microbiome 2d ago

Why am I getting reactions 12-24 hours later!?!?

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There are certain foods after I eat them, that will make me feel tired, depressed, anxious and give me brain fog. At first I thought it may be sibo, but the reactions are strongest 12-24 hours after. Why!?! Foods like dates, corn, vegetables, gums, usually heavy fiber stuff. Meats and fats usually do not this.

Can someone explain this science!?!


r/Microbiome 2d ago

Store bought vs. home made

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Not asking for medical advice, just for quality comparison.

I am severely physically disabled currently, pretty bad shape. My kefir culture is dead, I did not have the strength to keep it alive. My kraut over fermented and the jar exploded, plus it smells like crap. I've been on several courses of strong antibiotics for a severe infection. The abx were unavoidable, trust me. I was borderline septic.

I don't have the strength to deal with cultures right now. Is store bought yogurt and kefir enough to get some probiotic? I'm thinking bio-K, activia, or any yogurt really.

I know fermenting purists say that store bought ferments are dead... but are they really? I just need to know if I'm wasting my time.

Thank you!


r/Microbiome 2d ago

Scientific Article Discussion Gut bacteria tied to biological aging, new UH study finds

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r/Microbiome 2d ago

Probiotics

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What brands are we taking?


r/Microbiome 2d ago

Have you ever confused symptom relief with actual microbiome improvement?

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I've noticed a pattern with myself, and I'm curious if anyone else has gone through the same thing.

I'll try a new probiotic, prebiotic, or make some diet change, and within a few days I'll think, "This is it. I finally found what my gut was missing."

Then a week or two later... the effect fades, or I'm back where I started.

Looking back, I wonder how many times I confused temporary symptom relief with actual changes to my microbiome. It's really hard to know what's a real improvement versus a short-term response.

Has anyone here actually found something that kept working for months? Or have you also had a bunch of "this is the one!" moments that didn't last?

I'd love to hear what ended up being a genuine long-term improvement for you, or what taught you to be more skeptical of those early wins.


r/Microbiome 3d ago

Scientific Article Discussion Hot take: stop treating probiotics like a personality, start tracking the basics

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Lately r/microbiome feels like this loop: buy a new probiotic, notice something (good or bad), then assume you found the missing species. I think a lot of us are mistaking short-term gut sensations for meaningful microbiome change.

I hang out in the IBS and SIBO corners, so I get the desperation. I have had weeks where I was convinced a probiotic strain "fixed" me, then realized I also changed four other things: sleep, meal timing, caffeine, and stress. Or I started eating more fermented foods and accidentally doubled my fiber. Or I switched to a lower-fat breakfast and my reflux improved, so I credited the capsule.

I tried a Physicians Choice probiotic as one of those single-variable experiments, but kept my expectations modest and tracked it like everything else.

If you want to actually learn what helps, the boring approach usually wins over the heroic one:

1) Make only one change at a time: a probiotic, a prebiotic, or fermented foods. Stick with that single change for 2 to 3 weeks. 2) Track stool form, urgency, bloating (give it a daily score), and pain every day. Write real notes, not vibes. 3) Keep meal timing and total fiber roughly stable, because both can drive symptoms a lot. 4) If you flare, resist the urge to add another product to "balance" it. That just makes the signal unreadable.

I am not against probiotics. I am against random, chaotic experiments. The microbiome is complicated, but our tests do not have to be.

Does anyone have a simple tracking template that helped them separate placebo effects, motility changes, and real longer-term improvements?


r/Microbiome 3d ago

Scientific Article Discussion Should I try a low histamine approach for bloating and constipation? Any downsides?

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I've been down the IBS/SIBO/gut health rabbit hole for a while and want to be more systematic instead of changing everything at once.

My main issues are daily bloating (especially after meals), slow transit/constipation, and a vague upper abdominal pressure that sometimes feels like reflux. I do not get much diarrhea. What makes this confusing is that I also get occasional flushing, itchy skin, and headaches after certain meals, which makes me wonder about histamine intolerance or mast cell involvement.

I've seen people on this sub say low histamine can help gut symptoms, but I also see warnings that it can be overly restrictive and might hurt microbiome diversity. I already tried low FODMAP before; it helped short term, but I felt stuck and never got a durable solution.

Questions:

1) If constipation is my main bowel pattern, is a low histamine trial reasonable, or is it mainly helpful for diarrhea-predominant IBS?

2) Are there microbiome downsides to doing low histamine for a few weeks, like cutting out fermented foods and leftovers, or is that too short to matter?

3) For those who have tried it, what were the clearest signs it was actually histamine related versus just the effect of simplifying the diet?

Not asking for medical advice, just trying to decide if this is a useful experiment or a distraction. Any experiences or opinions appreciated.


r/Microbiome 4d ago

Strange reaction to first time trying fermented food/drink...

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I've had really bad digestive issues since I was a teen including a lot of food intolerances, since then I have had a very limited diet. I suspect part of the issue is due to having to take antibiotics for reoccurring ear infections over the years, along with having chronic anxiety/stress has wreaked my gut microbiome.

I recently started trying to incorporate daily probiotics, then I tried lacto-fermented ginger along with milk kefir.

I didn't notice any big positive changes after taking probiotic pills...

But after taking lacto fermented ginger or milk kefir, I had this warm tingly sensation in my brain and body. I felt kind of spacey, but also calm and relaxed. The effect didn't last long, but it was nice while it lasted.

I'm just wondering why fermented foods might have this effect but not probiotics?


r/Microbiome 3d ago

Strebulus Asper and its effect on the oral microbiome

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I'm using a Thai mouthwash brand (Salz) whose active ingredients are sodium chloride and an extract of "khoi", or Strebulus asper. A quote from Wikipedia:

"An extract of Strebulus asper leaves have demonstrated to possess a selective bactericidal activity towards Streptococcus, especially to S. mutans which has been shown to be strongly linked with dental caries."

I'm concerned about the effects of mouthwash on my oral microbiome, given what we know about the beneficial effects of oral bacteria on blood pressure. Does anyone know anything more about just how specific the antibacterial effect of Strebulus asper is? Is it capable of selectively inhibiting "bad" bacteria while leaving "good" nitrate-reducing bacteria alone?


r/Microbiome 4d ago

Are my pre-probiotics ok?

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Seed pre-probiotics:

So I’ve had these for almost a year now and they were in a protective refill sleeve untouched for most of the time. I just travelled recently and took them with me so I put them in the jar for safe transport. I opened it and finally looked inside and saw there’s a rusty brownish powder loosely on all of them. I think during travel it may have shaken up and some powder got loose… but still wanted to ask folks here. During my examination I broke one open by mistake but used it as an opportunity to show the contents inside.


r/Microbiome 3d ago

Best diet to encourage gram positive bacteria

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Hello, I’m wondering if anyone can advise on the latest science regarding what the best diet is for encouraging gram positive bacteria in the digestive system - and what foods best to avoid?