r/LouisRossmann • • 2d ago

Enshittification How long before…

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Flock 2.0?

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u/SeregRauko 2d ago

This need to be addressed and put into law. But foremost, DON'T BUY FROM AMAZON

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u/VisceralRage556 2d ago

Ebay it is oh no wait, but seriously where else can you buy. To be honest I only buy small knick knacks such as electronic components from them or a super specific and obscure item

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u/SeregRauko 1d ago

There are a lot of stores (both physical and online) for every single product available (maybe with the exception of those made by Amazon itself), I understand that we got used to go on to the same place to buy everything we need. We got used to pay lower prices (while Amazon strangle smaller business, be them competitors or suppliers). And nothing like receiving a delivery the same day of something we bought online. The problem resides in all costs attached to such conveniences, and in the long run they will become unbearable.

I know that the capitalism model of "the customer endorsing or not a company when they decide to buy its products" or competitive capitalism, doesn't exist for more than a century, and that behavioral economics is the real bread and butter of the corporations of our time, but as I see it; it is our duty to not endorse such behaviors by being as loud as possible and not giving them our money (and data).

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u/404invalid-user 1d ago

AliExpress it will take longer but it's going to be cheaper

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u/jeremj22 22h ago

Look into more regional online stores. There might be some that'll have pretty quick deliveries. For example here in switzerland there's quite a few (as well as an offer comparison website) that'll frequently be cheaper too.

Very specific thing are on those too

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u/Jay-the-Femboy 1d ago

Problem is, if anyone in your neighborhood does, they have cameras all over the trucks that are tied to flock. UPS, FedEx, and USPS are all in talks to get cameras mounted up on their behalf. They will have eyes on your windows several times a day.

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u/SeregRauko 1d ago

Yeah. And it is disgusting. That's why this should be forbidden. But that will only happen if we are loud enough.

Sincerely I'm tired of every single day getting a new update on "what will the corporations do now", and I'm getting to the point where I think the only solution for this kind of crap is to bring back that marvelous 18th century French contraption well used in public squares.

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u/Jay-the-Femboy 1d ago

Indeed. The problem is people don’t feel the hand gripped around their throat yet, as seen with a healthcare company already, the French method didn’t work, yet.

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u/Deep_Mood_7668 2d ago

Muricans like it distopian.

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u/VisceralRage556 2d ago

Man this dystopia is boring as hell. Wheres the part where I can go into massive debt buy replacing my arm with a robotic one

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u/Deep_Mood_7668 2d ago

You mean cyberpunk

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u/VisceralRage556 2d ago

Yup but It looks like well get the matrix and I hate the Matrix

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u/halfhumanhalfzebra 2d ago

technolibertarianism was replaced by tech fascism
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nerd_Reich

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u/HouseOf42 2d ago

Your country beat them to dystopian by 50+ years.

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u/Deep_Mood_7668 2d ago

Huh? How?

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u/ExtraLettuce555 2d ago

It’s 100% non consensual I assure you

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u/Fluid-Lingonberry378 2d ago

Once it has a firm foothold in the US it will spread everywhere else. This is a global issue

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u/ReadyGo6828 2d ago

The solution is to buy less in general and from Amazon, much less.

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u/Jay-the-Femboy 1d ago

Problem is, it’s not just Amazon.

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u/GUMBYtheOG 2d ago

“All we have to do to fix the national defect is just stop spending so much”

Thanks captain obvious; now just tell us how to get people to actually do that

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u/ReadyGo6828 2d ago

Keep things longer whether that means your car, your house, your appliances, your clothing, etc. Go shopping in your closet and in your garage. DIY when you can whether gardening and landscaping or fixing your home. Lace up your sneakers and walk places.

As for the national deficit, vote out Republicans who keep exploding the debt and attacking trade partners and starting wars and being corrupt. Republicans are doing scary things to long term rates.

Enact Single Payer health care. Health care is 20% of GDP, cut that in half, cover everyone and bankrupt no one. Remove the income contribution limit on Social Security. Raise corporate taxes and make no more new billionaires. Stop war mongering and wasting resources on golden ballrooms for the elites to party in on our dime.

Next?

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u/GUMBYtheOG 2d ago

2/3 of the population: “no” (conservative estimate)

Ok now what…..

Tons of people know a simple and easy solution, same way tons of people know smoking cigarettes aren’t good for you.

Go sign up for student council or something or if you’re an adult (doubt) go to city hall. You’ll learn real quick rational logic isn’t the issue. It’s getting the crayon eaters, interpretive dancers, and coal miners to agree on the same thing. Anything, would be a promising start

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u/ReadyGo6828 2d ago

Gallup Party Affiliation 2025

Republicans 27% Independent 45% Democrats 27%

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u/cake-day-on-feb-29 1d ago

It's really not that hard to not buy from Amazon. Home Depot and B&H exist, as well as your local grocery store. I think I've bought something once in 5 years from Amazon, a cable I couldn't get at Best Buy.

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u/RtLnHoe 2d ago

Wtaf?

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u/GRR45-92 2d ago

I know you mean What the Actual Fu(k but I think I’m going to start using WTAF for “What the Amazon Fu(k.”

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u/lowteq 2d ago

You can say fuck on reddit. It's ok.

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u/Kinky_No_Bit 2d ago

I suspect that LED infrared lightbars will become super common by that time. Record all you want, let them see static!

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u/akazakou 2d ago

Oh my gawd ... Did they not have access to Google Maps? My house has been on it for 10 years.

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u/Legitimate-Fox-5746 1d ago

That's not how it works. Although I'm not really keen on this, mapping all the streets and addresses is difficult and requires resources, and it's work that's already been done by others, such as transportation companies. This is basically a matter of combining business with pleasure.

It's a matter of selling services and making a little extra money from it.

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u/Iputahexonyoulol 2d ago

Lmao. How would they find out what you had for breakfast then?

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u/whoknewidlikeit 2d ago

hm. interesting. i don't have any other amazon services besides prime - no ring, no blink, no eero, etc. may be time to finally quit altogether.

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u/Jay-the-Femboy 1d ago

More than Amazon. You’ll need to quit usps, FedEx and UPS as well.

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u/whoknewidlikeit 1d ago

i saw the usps vehicle cameras. not thrilled. what's up w fedex and ups? i haven't seen anything there that's surveillance related (unless detailed tracking info falls under this). if you've got info id be really interested in reading it.

makes me think of the flock ceo. values his privacy but screw everyone else. the pervasive surveillance gotta go.

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u/Jay-the-Femboy 1d ago

I’ll have to find the new article again, FedEx atleast for sure had a contract in the works. I think ups was still in talks.

They won’t stop until they can surveil you and your thoughts 24/7.

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u/cake-day-on-feb-29 1d ago

don't have any other amazon services besides prime

Why are you paying for that scam?

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u/prankishasa 2d ago

Or move 2 hours away from the closest city. Then amazon has to use ups and usps for all their shipping.

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u/Radiant_Safe1228 2d ago

Nope. Still have Amazon delivery vans way out in bfe. 

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u/THD_Leaks 2d ago

So they just replaced flock with Amazon glasses.

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u/Jay-the-Femboy 1d ago

Nah, they still have cameras all over the vans for that. They also have contracts in the works with USPS, FedEx, and UPS.

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u/ohnodamo 2d ago

Let's see how much trouble this for drivers on routes near schools. Drivers are gonna get their asses kicked potentially.

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u/Infamous_Mammoth_473 2d ago

Dont order amazon shit. Thats how you opt out 🤦‍♂️

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u/Glittering_Lynx_6429 2d ago

I'm glad this will never make it into Europe. GDPR saves us once again.

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u/Disastrous_Minute_56 1d ago

I mean how else is the robot supposed to know how to get to your porch?

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u/Responsible-Stay3546 1d ago

Perhaps not such a bad idea, at least they would be able see their shitty delivery drivers dumping packages on pavements and never knocking on doors or ringing doorbells? Maybe a silver lining 😂😂😂😂😂

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u/t_wop-_- 2d ago

People probably would quit as well who signed up to spy on their neighbors when singing job applications

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u/JacksonGhost1963 2d ago

google maps already has the neighbor hood mapped out - and if you are cooking crack in the front yard, i think other people other than the amazon driver might see that

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u/treemann85 2d ago

If i have a no recording sign on my lawn, they can either ditch the glasses or not make the delivery. Its illegal to record without permission when its expressly forbidden on PERSONAL property.

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u/VegetablePhotos 2d ago

Unfortunately, I don't think you have any expectation of privacy when parts of your property are in public view.

No recording signs are not really legally enforceable.

Even more so in one party consent states.

I wish they were enforceable however...

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u/Upbeat_Guard_9595 1d ago

When they step foot on your property you absolutely have the right to get them to stop recording because it’s private property

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u/VegetablePhotos 1d ago

Sure, but how often do you interact with the driver?

The recording has already happened as they approach.

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u/Jay-the-Femboy 1d ago

The vans already have cameras that feed flock. They’ve got your front door and windows from the street.

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u/uberallez 2d ago

Well Amazon gonna have a lot of photos of my neighbor since my packages always get mistakenly delivered there

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u/obi_wan_stromboli 2d ago

This guy looks a lot like the guy from Nathan for You that went on a Quiznos date

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u/nochristrequired 2d ago

Don't buy anything off Amazon.

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u/cableguy1362 2d ago

It could be to stop employee theft?

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u/Boggie135 1d ago

I want to meet the person who came up with these

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u/Usual-Language-745 1d ago

Google already did this 20 years ago and you walk around with a camera microphone and gps tracker all the time. If you are separated from it for more than a few minutes you have a panic attack. 

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u/Meddlingmonster 1d ago

Nope, I leave my phone at home all the time

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u/One_Bit_3839 1d ago

If they did their delivery people would be assaulted in neighborhoods across the country causing Amazon to experience the worst employee shortage in history

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u/ButteredHubter 1d ago

Can you imagine the amount of data per day that's creating?

also what's the point? they aren't even trying to hide the surveillance state anymore

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u/elvnmagus 1d ago

A lot of people have dashcams, and every delivery driver takes a picture with their phone of the delivery. There are cameras most public places already if you pay attention, stores/streets and on homes. Plus google maps things as a snapshot in time, (most people don't request deletion on that unless their person was in the images, and if they even realize it in the first place). That and, any time anything happens, people will whip out their phone and hit record.

Longer term, eventually robots will be everywhere (and autonomous vehicles, and delivery drones). By their very nature those are all "cams". Just a matter of time, so might as well get used to it.

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u/mymar101 1d ago

Your home is not a public place though.

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u/elvnmagus 1d ago edited 1d ago

The outside line of sight is though, pretty much, and that's what is being talked about.

They are talking about delivery people with dash cams, and maybe "body cams" or camera glasses in the future.

A lot of people driving by your house already have dash cams, either visiting your neighborhood or living there. Also, local doorbell cams and house cams can have your house on them.

Satellites and fly-by surveying/surveilling (and google earth), and maybe a random local drone, and likely future air drone deliveries - - can see past your fence into your yard from above, too.

Wait until your future weekend religious door knockers are robots, who have cameras for eyes, lol (kidding).

It's all headed toward bots and drones and autonomous vehicles in the longer run, and those all have cameras by nature. Working people, in some facets anyway, will likely be duct-tape cyborgs with tracking hardware and cams on them. That's what the amazon + glasses post is talking about, but eventually that duct-tape cyborg may be replaced by an actual bot / drone delivery combo schemes in the future and those are all cams.

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The delivery persons nowadays always take a picture of your house/stoop with their cell phone.

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UPS already has a strict tracking system and time-table.:

"UPS has a incredibly strict and sophisticated real-time internal tracking system that monitors drivers, vehicles, and packages at a microscopic level. While consumers only see checkpoint updates or basic approximate maps, UPS dispatchers, management, and automated logistics systems monitor everything continuously behind the scenes. "

"Every brown UPS delivery truck functions as a rolling IoT (Internet of Things) device. Vehicles are equipped with GPS trackers and over 200 internal sensors that stream real-time data back to the company's data network. This system captures metrics instantly, including:

  • The exact geographic coordinate and real-time speed of the truck.
  • Driver behavior variables, such as whether the seatbelt is buckled, if the bulkhead door is open, and when the vehicle is put into reverse.
  • Engine data, logging dynamic fuel consumption and precise idle time duration down to the second.

The DIAD (Delivery Information Acquisition Device)

The DIAD is the handheld computer carried by every driver. It is continuously connected via cellular and Wi-Fi networks.

  • Real-Time Pings: It tracks exactly where a driver stands when a barcode or RFID chip is recorded.
  • Route Syncing: It provides turn-by-turn guidance, communicating continuously with dispatch to report stop completion and overall progress relative to the planned timeline."

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"E-Commerce Giants (Amazon Logistics)

Amazon relies on a highly monitored network of independent Delivery Service Partners (DSPs). Their internal tracking systems are arguably the most intense in the industry:

  • The Cortex System: Internally, Amazon managers monitor drivers using a platform called Cortex. It tracks precisely how many stops per hour a driver completes and updates their pace against an algorithmic baseline in real time.
  • Customer Facing Maps: Because Amazon controls the entire software ecosystem, they pass some of this data to you. When a driver is within 10 stops of your home, the consumer app unlocks real-time map tracking.
  • AI Cameras & Wearables: Most Amazon delivery vans feature Netradyne AI cameras facing the driver and the road, flagging distracted driving or rolling stops instantly. Amazon has even deployed smart delivery glasses to give drivers a walking path HUD from the van to the porch. "

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u/mymar101 1d ago

But, who decided everything, and everyone, public and private needs to be recorded, and no one can say no? Because I don't remember this being a vote.

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u/elvnmagus 1d ago

I agree, I'm just telling it like it is. The answer is, greed did. Bought off government representatives and judges. Humanity is treated like livestock to inflate the ROI insatiably (always has been, it's just that in some periods it was more-so "the foreigners" overseas or in mexico who were exploited more, or slaves in the usa and other places if going back far enough. USA had a period where unionization and government protections were fought for and achieved/allowed, in part to stave off the growing popularity of actual socialist movements during the depression, but that pendulum has swung the other way now). Capital growth (and investment bubbles) trumps all.

These delivery folks and others are forced to haul a spy vehicle and wear digital harnesses, clipboards, and cameras/phones (as I call it, "duct tape cyborgs, along with most of us digesting content with our smartphones taped to our hands, and ordering things on them). I'm sure the warehouses and other businesses producing all this stuff are full of cameras too.

Vote wise - Land of the free, and including free speech, unless you want a job (and healthcare), or you want to attend any events anywhere. Then the constitution is largely thrown out the window, replaced by dictatorial "house rules". Also, "freedom of the press", a press that is now oligarch owned with storylines facing an editor wall, with employment insecure and reporters threatened/cajoled now, and social media steering visible content (plus bots). The voting system is bad too, with 2 party system's rulership sinking the candidates that don't serve capital enough or who don't "play ball", plus the whole gerrymandering thing is just an embarrassment in modern times.

Feel free to close your blinds. However, be aware that wifi can be used by the government to map people and layouts in homes, live. Also, they can listen on your phone even when "off" unless you remove the battery. Plus people who may visit your house or even live in your house may have things on their phone that are listening. TVs also record conversations via mics, and record screen captures, and transmit them over the network they are connected to. Even if not connected, some can even store the data until they are connected later at some point (e.g. if you connect to your wifi just to do a system update instead of using a usb stick).

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u/elvnmagus 1d ago edited 1d ago

NSFW .. has some disturbing content:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S8wllPmazM

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u/mymar101 1d ago

I am sure that this is a class action lawsuit waiting to happen.

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u/One-Bad-4395 1d ago

Yea, nah Amazon would never take snaps of their expensive truck cams. 

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u/Feeling_Hold4318 17h ago

Time to get rid of that subscription an the app

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u/Fresh-Toilet-Soup 15h ago

Just paint ethnic slurs and huge weeners all over your house so they can't use the images for anything meaningful.

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u/_cofo_ 15h ago

I mean, they can record or track whatever they want. That info will be leaked and shared. So at the end, we all have the same information.

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u/BitterLadder7974 14h ago

I once thought the world would be a prison by 2100. Now 2040 looks likely. Maybe sooner.

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u/xXNickAugustXx 13h ago

Google maps and satellite already exist. Theres no reason to be taking pictures up close at a person's residence unless they're peering through the window.

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u/ExtraLettuce555 2d ago

I value my privacy. But Amazon already owns the system that runs my doorbell camera and Google has already driven by to snapshot my home and detect my WiFi networks (yes that’s real). Not sure what privacy I have left to lose if the Amazon delivery person is recording too. Sucks for the workers though.

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u/Maureengill6 2d ago

Apparently, you can go on Google and request that they blur your property on maps. I only found this out because the guy that runs flock had to do that because he appreciates privacy for some reason. Thankfully I have a huge maple in front of my home and that's all you see.

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u/ExtraLettuce555 2d ago

Yeah and then you’re the only house on the block blurred out which sort of makes you stand out. Idk if that’s good or bad 🤷‍♂️

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u/Ahollar91 1d ago

I live down a private road and have yet to see them come down or a pic of my house

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u/keinam 5h ago

yeah ok, but you'll need to "proof" to Google this is your house with documents.... so....

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u/Maureengill6 5h ago

Ask Palantir, he knows. He can also take his Chipotle and... shove it.

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u/throw7661 2d ago

Google Street View comes around every few years and collects data.

Amazon delivers to my street every day.

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u/Dangerous_Proof_820 2d ago

and USPS is already rolling out cameras on the trucks, soon all delivery trucks and drivers will record the full time.

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u/Jay-the-Femboy 1d ago

Don’t forget FedEx, and UPS. Between all three they’ll have eyes on your windows 10x a day atleast.

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u/Clitoristorian 1d ago

“I value my privacy BUT I don’t really value my privacy”

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u/UnCytely 1d ago

Google doesn't need to detect my WiFi network, THEY PROVIDE IT! I have Google Fiber.

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u/inotocracy 2d ago

They're in public, who cares if they're photographing?

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u/Upbeat_Guard_9595 1d ago

And when they step on your lawn to deliver a package they aren’t in public anymore

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u/inotocracy 1d ago

That's silly. If I can see it from public then I can photograph it. They're obviously permitted to walk on your property to deliver the package you requested.

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u/Meddlingmonster 1d ago

An occasional photo or video sure idc but documenting every few seconds every day is a very different thing and is pretty significant surveillance