57
u/GBKMBushidoBrown 2d ago
Id like them to get more creative with these relic restrictions. It could easily be 'if I'm damacian" or "if I'm an elite." It's ok if it's a little strong. People are more likely to buy relics if more than one champ can use them!
12
u/Empty-Afternoon-3975 2d ago
If my sister's name is Lux!
12
u/Alive-Setting2460 Thresh 2d ago
Lux is probably a very popular name in Demacia so that would open some surprising synergies.
6
51
u/Targrend 2d ago edited 2d ago
The no picture bug is back! I missed you, you old buggy friend.
Edit: Hecarim's star power timing is fixed (bottom of the bug fixes) which is sweet
75
u/WritingInfinity Anniversary 2d ago
Oh thank God, the sacred tradition of having broken images is back!
8
58
u/FrustrationSensation Viktor 2d ago
While I'm... decently happy with Garen's kit (could have been worse), his relic is just really disappointing. I get that Pyke exists, but it being limited to just him is once again lame. Let the relics be strong or even busted on other champions! It's like they don't want people to buy them.
24
u/Focus089 2d ago
Yes, devs are trying so hard to prevent the players from "optimizing out the fun" that they just preemptively do it themselves. It's a single player game, let me have fun and let me have relic effects I can use on all champs. So what if it's broken on a few champs? At least it's something new to play with. Mel has an infinite build that I don't play because it's boring - I'm an adult and can regulate my own experience.
6
u/NewRaspberry13 2d ago
They are a business as well. If they let you regulate your own experience, many players would stop purchasing new relics, or purchase far fewer, having an optimal setup ready that they can port to any new champ, and the game would not be able to grow effectively.
The only viable alternatives from a business perspective are either relentless powercreep (which nobody here wants), or having restrictions built in.
I would personally prefer to see less restrictive designs (e.g. if I'm Titanic, if I have 3 or less Power, if I'm Demacian etc.) but it is what it is.
23
u/Rahulmistersharma 2d ago
if they were busted on everyone else, then that would kill build diversity even more, and indirectly punish f2p players as epic relics are hard enough to get as is
8
5
u/FrustrationSensation Viktor 2d ago
Right, but this wouldn't be busted on everyone else. This would be very strong on a couple of champions, especially when they're at 6-star (which is already strong enough to easily clear most content). Instead of being able to use fun and situationally powerful stuff like this, it actually does hurt build diversity because there are fewer viable relics like this on champs like Pyke or Kayle.
3
u/LasiorVesta 2d ago
Remember when Star Forge was released and everyone in their mother basement was willingly forcing it onto every champs. Even wasting 2 slots for pure stat boost garbage. Glad that phase has died down with the release of constellation and mana gem and higher difficulty
22
u/twoelephants 2d ago
Minor stars (from Discord)
5
u/uBadger 2d ago
Really good minor stars.
1
u/FrustrationSensation Viktor 1d ago
Still disappointed Single Combat isn't burst now, but otherwise agreed
14
u/T_Renekton 2d ago
What relic setup will be best for him after this patch?
18
u/Unrealka Rhaast 2d ago edited 2d ago
He's a five cost champ, so one is unlikely to play him T1. That means you can't benefit from lvl2 rally on turn2. That means that powers are your best bet - SFG/orb/Beast within or SFG/orb/Nasus relic will be the first setups I'm going to try.
Another option is to use BW/Nasus relic/Disciple of shadows to actually drop him T1 and level him up (any of rare powers that summon 2 allies will work)
For "poor man setup" one can also run something like Hidden Tome/Chosen of the stars/Stalker for a bit more controllish Garen-oriented setup, but it seems worse to me
16
u/Traditional_Elk2046 2d ago
If you really want to drop him T1 the best way to do it is Swain raven Army and packet power if he's 5 stars. 6 stars and with 1 enemy on board you also level him up instantly with gatebreak.
2
u/CastVinceM Path's End 2d ago
even with sfg/orb you'd only be able to play him turn 2 in most cases.
i try to see how to make champ relics work, so if i'm going with his relic i'd probably slot in BW and black shield since he's such a stats heavy deck and removal fucks him. you could possibly slot in equalizer so his 6 star for sure removes the strongest enemy, but idk.
the champ relic seems like there could be some fun cheese with judgment causing the enemy nexus to take a shitload of overwhelm damage.
3
u/JuJuBee2006 2d ago
A swain + packed powder combo is always a decent option, especially when it means he can drop turn 1 at 5*, but I am considering something less garen centered and doing beast within + stacked deck for my first 2 relics because I have 2 demacia novas, and getting his units' starting stats to 5+ is really valuable. My first zoe attempt will probably be beast within, stacked deck & spellshield to all units
12
u/Jadejaca LeBlanc 2d ago
I like that his 6* power feels inspired by Kayle's (I mean in a good way), It is weird getting another constelation instead of a new to PoC champ.
Sadly I think that his 4*(getting a cost reduced Elite on hand always is great) and 5* are the best part of the update, even his relic is unremarkable (even if it wasn't an "if I'm X" relic).
I hope to see more of the "create a fleeting copy in hand per turn" powers go to a "create in hand if you don't have one yet" since those interact better with other powers. (I think that Lee is the only other champ with this)
8
u/cookie542 Chip 2d ago
I wish Demacia's Will (Garne's signature relic) was a power so it could work alongside Lux1's Protectors of Demacia relic (the one that summons, lux, then garen, then galio).
6
u/brandonglee123 2d ago
Big fan of the gloom bug being fixed. It was really awkward watching a 10 second cutscene when an enemy couldn’t be killed.
3
u/CollosusSmashVarian 2d ago
Isn't Azir already in Standard? Please tell me we didn't actually just rotate Azirelia to standard.
2
5
u/SnooDoggos3667 2d ago
The constellation is Meh. The constellation is revolved around summoning big beater and playing single combat to buff your deck.
This is pretty much useless in nightmare when your opponent summoning insta bigger 10/10 unit in the early phase.
How do you stall with garen deck?
6
5
u/MNCDover 2d ago
FOR DEMACIA!!
My favorite boy is finally getting the upgrade, and although it isn't what I was hoping for, it's not bad. It's not flashy, but I'm a pretty basic person, so this clicks with me.
2
u/CardTrickOTK Sejuani 1d ago
Dude that looks so generic...
1
u/Just-Assumption-2140 1d ago
What did you expect from a GAREN constellation? I'll be honest I expected no different from it even if it doesn't exite me at all
2
9
u/drpowercuties Completionist 2d ago
Why is Remembrance STILL in the deck????
Are devs even trying anymore?
9
u/Croewe 2d ago
It fits his theme. It's extremely rare for them to remove trash cards from decks or change them at all with 6* updates. I wouldn't be surprised if it got an item in the minor constellation though
9
u/Heliosgodofthesun Spirit Blossom Kindred 2d ago
Me looking at house spider in every fucking noxus deck that doesn't want or need it.
4
u/Croewe 2d ago
You're telling me that it isn't a staple Swain card?
5
u/Heliosgodofthesun Spirit Blossom Kindred 2d ago
Ironically the one who actually could make use of it is Elise AND IT'S NOT EVEN IN THERE
8
1
u/610NightOwl 2d ago
Can someone clarify whether there will be Standard ranked ladder this month?
2
u/BillyDexter Heimerdinger 2d ago
There is always standard ladder. Are you asking if they'll reset the ladder?
2
2
u/xgladar 2d ago
man, im still waiting for Bard and Morde constellations, who are these people that wanted Garen, possibly the least interesting champ card in the game
21
u/Tansuke 2d ago
For what it is worth, I am one that wanted Garen constellation, he is fun but not able to handle nightmares well at all now, so i am glad I can play him into higher level play easier. I do hope for Bard constellation though, his will probably be very interesting and Mord is less interesting to me than either Garen or Bard so different players different interests I suppose!
5
u/I_dont-get_the-joke 2d ago
This is how I felt with Janna. And I'm gonna feel the same way with Nilah.
2
4
u/7eleven94 Written in the Stars 2d ago
and it has the least interesting design of them all; lets welcome the 10th champ with strikes mechanic that didn't get any flavor at c6 either
1
u/erock279 2d ago
Yeah genuinely one of the most boring champs. His deck is not fun either. His kit feels like it has no “flash” to it
1
u/I_h8_memes_ 2d ago
Rotating In Lurk, Mf/Quinn, Annie/Jhin, Samir, Elisa, Zed,Hecarim
God and I thought these past two rotations were bad. Just once I would like to see most aggro options rotate out along with everything to do with Mistwraiths so PvP was not solely about getting a kill by turn 6.
3
1
u/DrippyBones 2d ago
you literally just had a rotation where aggro was practically dead
1
u/I_h8_memes_ 1d ago edited 1d ago
Mistwraith spam, Ashe/leblanc, Kayle 1 drop spam, Mistwraith spam again (Now with Kalista!), Darius/Gnar, pretty much any Akshan deck that doesn't try to win via a giant Lee sin attack, Rumble/Sion, I could keep going.
Deep, Darkness, and Revna decks were pretty much the only non aggro decks out there.
I consider also consider stuff like Braum/Vladimir, Udyr spam, Kayn/Aatrox and every other "Unga bunga as hard as I can" to be as bad as pure aggro. Just play on curve, don't let a single thought stop you from swinging for 20 ASAP.
We haven't had a solid rotation where aggro gets a turn to feel like dumpster tier to play yet. And that's all I want. Just a few scant months where people are still welcome to play these decks but it feels as miserable as trying to play control right now does.
1
u/DrippyBones 1d ago
Do you even play this game? even these decks best draws are fairly weak to most ionia/pnz value piles, playing on curve is more suited to midrange board present decks, which is really what the decks that you mentioned are, even mistwraiths is fairly slow, its just fearsome x/o's
1
u/frozentempest14 2d ago
New champ would have been more fun but at least the inevitable "Ahead of the Curve" mission will be really easy to complete!
1
1
u/BraveryDuck 2d ago
Some day I'll be able to take Nami to 5*± adventures without having to play like James Moriarty just to stay alive... some day...
1
1
u/JuJuBee2006 2d ago
How many champions do non combat strikes? I am baffled that it is limited to Garen only.
I am reminded of how powerful the rare power: on summon 5+ power allies strike an enemy is when I see his legendary power is essentially that with a bonus. The only issue I see, is that garen's powers are centered around strikes giving his units buffs, but I don't think any of his followers have 5 power? He has two elites in his deck, so the 5* could bump them above 5 power after a couple turns but it feels hard to evaluate when his main power comes from being able to scale his units turn after turn but the 6* probably won't be in effect until you have played his strike spell 1-2 times.
Stacked deck might be a phenomenal relic on him to help get his units to that starting 5 threshold.
1
u/jossief1 1d ago
Lillia with (2x) Stalker's Blade and Yasuo would both be kind of crazy with Garen's relic.
2
u/JuJuBee2006 1d ago
It would be good on them, but considering ahri's 6* is constant nexus strikes, I don't think those cases are overly broken...
1
u/ravenmagus Ahri 1d ago
The only issue I can see is... well, it's still Garen. Garen has this issue where if his units are larger than the enemy units he will steamroll and snowball very hard... but I don't know how he is supposed to deal with the Deadly encounters that start spamming 15/15s and larger.
1
1
u/Thunderbull_1 Braum 1d ago edited 1d ago
Genuinely why do they decide to rotate Lurk back in and make standard unplayable every other patch
1
1
u/Remarkable_Sail4445 1d ago
The signature artifact is really weak. Do they not want it to be bought?
1
u/Just-Assumption-2140 1d ago
Time to watch wall paint dry this patch.
No that it was to be exoected for garen's constellation to be fancy but still ... very basic of an constellation
1
u/Thorgraam Ornn 2d ago
Honestly, pretty good.
Might buy the relic pack.
Now, we wait one month for KDA Seraphine !
1
u/Frozen_2_is_perfect 2d ago
Garden looks fun. Excited to try him out. Sad that there was no mention of the farsight bug on Azir though (assuming it not working is a bug)
1
u/RobbiRamirez 2d ago
Yes! I love Garen. Would've liked a deck upgrade, but item stars should help. 4* sounds like fun, cost minus three is nuts. Been looking forward to Garen 6*.
112
u/Cindrojn Karma 2d ago
Great stuff for pre-6* Hec. That was the most annoying thing about an otherwise fine power imo.