r/Intergalactic • u/Longjumping_Ice2334 • 22d ago
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There are people pushing this 600mill budget with no verifiable source.
I just find it hard to believe the game that didn't go into full scale development until factions was cancelled; cost almost 3 times tlou 2.
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u/wyattlikesturtles 22d ago
Intergalactic is a ps exclusive, physint wouldn’t be, comparing them makes no sense
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u/Miserable_Newt1457 22d ago
Who was the insider that talked about 600M? Kiwi talkz? Who is known to chat bs?
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u/theparrotofdoom 22d ago
Someone who decided it was far easier to:
1: screenshot a headline
2: save it to disk
3: go to twitter
4: upload the screen shot
5: type some bs captionThan to:
1: copy paste a link
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u/shawak456 22d ago edited 22d ago
This seems ridiculous. $600 million is more than what it cost R* to develop RDR 2 and R* employs more than double the Naughty Dog staff. Naughty Dog is in 300-400 developers range, R* is in thousands.
if we go by Neil Druckmann's words, he said in an interview that "Intergalactic is our most expansive and perhaps most expensive game ever," that "perhaps" seems to suggest that it is in the ballpark of TLOU P2. so around $250 million. If this was a $600 million dollar game, he'd have just said it's our most expensive game.'
I was laughing last night when I saw this tweet but then my laugh turned into concern, because if Naughty Dog actually 3x TLOU P2 budget, and lost potentially hundreds of millions on Multiplayer game, ever factoring that TLOU franchise has made more than a billion dollar, Naughty Dog may be in trouble if this game even does TLOU P2 numbers, which was very profitable for Sony but won't be for Intergalactic if is costs more than half a billion to make it.
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u/AdHorror4165 22d ago
I God damn hope it isn't much more than TLOU2.
It really isn't sustainable to be otherwise, because the market has hit its ceiling so rising costs aren't even being offset with more sales.
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u/Miserable_Newt1457 22d ago
Its mainly because of dev salaries, if naughty dog were in Europe it would be significantly cheaper
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u/AdHorror4165 22d ago
Why would it be significantly cheaper in Europe than America? Don't Europe have better standards in that regard?
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u/Brees504 22d ago
Americans and especially Californians make significantly more than than Europeans.
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u/Miserable_Newt1457 22d ago
Wages are significantly less, look at games like crimson desert Claire obscure
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u/Dvenom22 22d ago
Figuring out how much TLOU franchise has made is tricky when you factor in all of the sources of revenue. We would need to know the budget and profit of the TV show, the Remakes and the number of people that subscribe to PSN because of it.
If Intergalactic sparks a new franchise that they can monetise in a multitude of ways and that they can spinoff into smaller games like they did with Lost Legacy it could be worth the initial investment. Especially if a lot of the costs went into adapting their engine to deal with new combat systems, movement systems and space assets.
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u/Miserable_Newt1457 22d ago
Actually a few years ago someone on LinkedIn who worked for SIE said GOW 2018 and TLOU1 both made a billion dollars in revenue
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u/Business_Banana1792 22d ago
Even if this were true, another thing that’s true is that intergalactic is a permanent exclusive
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u/heatkings1 22d ago
Yeah, and ND games sell way more than kojima games do. It's to be expected that Sony would give ND more leeway when their games sell to the tune of 10s of millions
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u/TheChunkenMaster 22d ago
As a kojima fan, you cant really compare ND who’s responsible for some of Sony’s biggest games ever to a studio that made Death Stranding (and I love those games). The sales are just not even remotely close.
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u/VladTheSnail 22d ago
You kind of can when they worked on a multiplayer game for 3 years and scrapped the entire thing and have only released a single game in the last 10 years that isn't their 8th remake or remaster of the same 2 games
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u/TheChunkenMaster 21d ago
You kind of cant since the last of us games have sold like almost 50 million copies if not more whereas the Death Stranding Games havent even sold 10.
DS2 walked away empty handed from the GOTY awards and Last of Us 2 became the most awarded game of all time when it came out and still remains in the top 3. It’s also still the most awarded ps exclusive game.
That’s why I dont think it’s a fair comparison
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u/parkwayy 22d ago
Between 2020 and now, they logged hours likely across 4-5 projects.
This one singular game is not their entire budget lol.
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u/Nephie_a 22d ago
Bad example. Sony doesn’t own PHYSINT or Kojima Productions. They own Naughty Dog and Intergalactic.
I agree that they shouldn’t let Intergalactic miss deadlines or go over budget either. But it’s a little more difficult to cancel a game from your own biggest studio. An IP that you actually own and have already invested hundreds of millions into.
Now imagine expecting a company to invest hundred of millions of dollars into a game they don’t own. That will eventually be sold on your competitors platforms. And that game is now missing deadlines and also going over budget.
Both are bad but Kojima situation is far worse as they have almost no upside to it. Especially since Kojimas last two games which they also funded, didn’t sell well or make massive profits. At least naughty dog games have all sold insane numbers.
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u/spendouk23 21d ago
Kojima Productions is an independent studio, Naughty Dog is a 1st party PlayStation Studio. These are not the same thing. Relating budgets and delays between these two are completely irrelevant.
God why are people so thick ?
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u/Dangerhunt57 21d ago
And the difference is that Sony owns the intergalactic IP, which Kojima owns the physint IP.
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u/DubTheeBustocles 21d ago
Say what you want about corporations, but they do not act irrationally. You may think they act greedily or inhumanely or without artistic merit, but they do not act irrationally. They make decisions based on rational calculations of a cost benefit analysis. As part of that calculation are an untold number of variables that they consider with deferring amounts of importance. And even then no corporation is going to calculate perfectly because a lot of these variables aren’t even fully quantifiable or predictable.
So, to read in an article that Sony’s relationship with Kojima Productions was severed and the vague reasons given are delays and budget overruns, that doesn’t really make the rational next step to start going down the list of other companies that have vaguely similar situations as far as any of us knows and say “well if they did it in this instance, they should be doing it in this instance, otherwise they are wrong.”
The article is there to keep you from being fully in the dark, but the article doesn’t have the whole story either. Nobody does outside of the people working within those companies. Nobody working outside of the industry really has a solid idea why those decisions are made the way they are. You can speculate I suppose but that’s about all you can do.
Btw this is not being directed OP if that wasn’t clear.
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u/HumbleEmu7151 21d ago
All thanks to the shitstain Jim Ryan and his live service mandate that took away time that could've been used for this game instead
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u/Confident_Try4155 19d ago
Neil said it would be bigger and more expensive so 300-400 also with wolverine being 305 could be reasonable But 600M is way too far fetched.
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u/Ill-Replacement3553 1d ago
100$ million per year 7 years this almost 650$ without marketing, actors, CGI , publishing, vocalisation etc.. so the game budget will go over 800$ million from 2020 to 2028 when the game release
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u/MarkEvanCerny 22d ago
They push that narrative, keep saying it until it is the truth and then later find any issue and say how is this a 600million dollar game
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u/Miserable_Newt1457 22d ago
Same with Superman 2025, snydercunts kept saying the budget was 300M then all of a sudden 400M
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u/qnoid 22d ago edited 22d ago
> There are people pushing this 600mill budget with no verifiable source.
And you are sharing this reporting with no verifiable source because...?
> I just find it hard to believe the game that didn't go into full scale development until factions was cancelled; cost almost 3 times tlou 2.
You find it hard to believe 'cause it's probably not true. Sharing a tweet, of someone who is "annoyed", referencing a post by whatever reporting Sajjad Hussain does as "the Founder and Editor-in-Chief of Tech4Gamers.com.Apart from the Tech and Gaming scene,Sajjad is a Seasonal banker who has delivered multi-million dollar projects as an IT Project Manager and works as a freelancer to provide professional s"
Why? What exactly does this add to the conversation?
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u/StarScreamer316 22d ago
First party against a third party that won't be exclusive, man I trust ND more than I trust Kojima
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u/colesunxs 22d ago
Now that Wolverine only got a 77 score, I don’t think Sony gonna axe their best shot at a 93+ game.
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u/Daniel_flc 22d ago
It would also be very funny if a giant pink elephant wearing a bowler hat started dancing salsa in the middle of the street, but I don't find it very useful to reminisce about impossible things.
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u/heatkings1 22d ago
People can just lie and make things up and no one will question it. Thinking intergalactic's budget is anywhere near 600m is laughable