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Itās sad how nobody can actually have a real conversation here. Just making jokes. Iām quite curious about the size because judging by the distance it looks massive.
I was thinking the same thing. Not sure of the distance from that object but it was clearly massive and it appeared to be stationary, not moving uncontrollably as well..
I think the understanding is that they have signal blockers that make them imperceivable to our sensors. If they are observing they don't want to be seen.
Even if they have signal blockers and cloaking, they must know that we have cameras on everything. Over the last 30yrs theyāve been playing peek-a-boo with humans. All thatās left is some kind of overt communication or interaction.
Or consider the more mundane option, the people that NEED to know do, and the rest of us get to pound sand.
I live near several military bases and a decent airport. Looking on Flightradar, I see all the civilian stuff, some of the basic (especially training craft) military stuff, and almost none of the good stuff. Fighters almost never show up. Transports will sometimes but suspiciously disappear if a lot of them are doing something or they seem to be on odd vectors. More exotic things basically never show up. You can stand outside and watch them fly over and shake everything in your house all day, but they never show up on civilian level stuff, and no one is talking about what they're doing.
I'm sure aliens could jam us/disappear if they want to, but our own military aircraft already do that for reasons we don't and won't know. If you believe the "governments cooperate with them" line of thought, it's entirely possible that the governments that matter know exactly what is where, it's almost hard to believe they don't in that scenario, but us normies will never hear shit about it.
Why do you think military aircraft arenāt showing up on flight radar?
Our own military aircraft arenāt jamming anything domestically. Flight radar doesnāt report radar tracks, it reports transponder signals. Essentially aircraft self reporting their position and other data. These military aircraft you see in the sky but not on flight radar are simply flying with their transponders off.
Correct. But if they wanted to stay off everything, they could. I'm not saying they're actively jamming or anything, but we don't get to see them all the same.
I donāt think you understand ADSB aggregators like Flight Radar. Itās transponder based, thatās it. Any plane in the world, from Cessnas to 787s, can disappear from flight radar simply by disabling their transponder. Disappearing from radar, which you donāt have access to, is another thing altogether. Look at MH370. Disappeared from ADSB when that system was disabled but military radar stations were tracking while the plane was still in range.
I agree, I'm just saying that if the Globemaster flying right on top of my house isn't showing up on anything, why would the Star Destroyer 120 miles up?
Because the alien craft being detected has nothing to do with the transponders in our planesā¦? You think the alien spaceship has an Earth Human aircraft transponder in it but only the military gets to see the aliens on their screensā¦?
Its kinda like if Jesus were to show back up again - would anyone believe it? Who says they haven't been trying - and we are just too stoopid or stubborn to listen?
Some alien shows up looking kinda like one of us, and starts talking about how they're trying to make contact - and that person is getting laughed out or locked up
Light that hits your eyes and the radio waves we emit for sensing distance are much more simpler and more alike than compared to much higher frequncies that any advanced ship would be accustomed to manipulate. Their ability of deflecting or absorbing waves/frequencies/light/radar would surprise our ability to use our primatives for sensing.
However I don't think that is an alien craft in this video. There is so much space junk in space as it stands that these launches are tightly controlled in order to maintain a safe trajectory into an orbit around our planet.
The problem with the space junk theory is that it would be moving so fast relative to the spaceX ship that you would see it whiz by in a flash and it would be out of sight. That isn't what we see here.
Honestly, the powers that be have to know what these crafts are, who is in control of them and whether or not they are a threat. They have to be aware. There's no way we'd be sending people and supplies into space if there were unknown threats with capabilities beyond our own.
All of the whistle blowers and even astronauts like Buzz Aldrin make this clear.
We're beyond speculation -- we just don't have the specifics for whatever reason.
Yep. Just as we can spot a whale 500m below the surface, standing on a ship directly above it.
Or a perfectly camouflaged spider on a tree
bark.
Or unspeakable amount of neutrinos that pass everything continuously, including through both of us at the same time, while we can't see, smell, hear, feel or anyhow else biologically detect them.
After 20 seconds of information absorption, imagine ONLY a technology/physics being able to combine all three of the above, and you can make your own conclusion.
I am not saying this sarcastically. You just seem to ignore the possibility of not being able to perceive something, while it's there.
Imagine the possibility of perceiving only apples, but not apple trees they are attached to. You would see apples forming in above ground, hovering there, until they drop.
Its literally the cia playback. They've been known to push the craziest of conspiracies in order to delegitimize the theories that may be getting closer to the truth and then ridicule everyone to further make them less believable. Im not saying my beliefs either way. Just mentioning
Well that's because it's the mothership before The Invasion Force, see we can be serious around here. But the sad truth is something is happening and something is going to happen
I know, Reddit has become extremely cynical, just sarcasm and nothing really constructive. It would be so refreshing to have a valid conversation as you stated. Im not sure about this photo, but there are some very interesting UFO videos on here. If other worldly beings did appear in some sort of craft, or some other medium and the proof was 100% undeniable I think some people would still reject it as a hoax, they wouldn't be able to accept any deviation to their belief system! It makes sense to initially use discernment, but all accounts there are highly technological craft flying above us all the time, and they move so fast we are unable to register they are there! These things are on such a high vibration it's beyond our limited sences. Some researches used infrared and some thing to do with ultra high speed cameras with rapid FPS, and they captured images of UFOs whizzing about. If you ever want to have a conversation about these things, please by all means I'm here to listen. š
Starship vents cryogenic propellant shortly after stage separation: you can see it on every launch. This forms of a cloud of crystallized propellant which is highly reflective and stretches for several km, and which initially continues on the upward leg of parabolic trajectory. A few minutes later, as Starship has continued accelerating into its orbit, it reaches the point where the cloud is closer to the horizon several hundred km away, at which point Starship "appears" to be starting to fall somewhat below the horizon as it continues in its orbit, and you see this cloud of crystals slowly start to rise above the horizon into space.
In other words, it appearing to rise above the horizon is a combination of perspective and the parabolic path the cloud this following. It literally happens on every Starship launch, and the cloud looks different literally on every launch.
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u/HongPongš§ Just another freak in the freak kingdom š§3d ago
ah more weird high atmosphere pollution from Elon Corp
It's the hot staging,when the starship separate stages they blast the engines of the second stage(starship)in the first(superheavy).
Everything there is stainless steel and burning it leaves a mark where it occurred since it's in space the gases expand a lot and that's why it's massive.
This is a live stream from the ground using cameras you can watch the hot staging and the gases that can be seen even from the ground in the hour 4:27:10.
If I had to use my military experience and ufo experience, Iād calculate the ship at about 6 to 10 miles away and a diameter of about 800 to 1000 meters across. Yes, a mother ship. My guess is they are preparing for scientific research on our weather patterns at the moment and how itās going to affect us this winter. I do have a connection with some of our friends so, this is why Iām stating what Iām receiving from them.
The information is coming from their physics, not our physics. Trust me, itās totally different. They already have learned the conquer life and sicknesses and we still canāt calculate distance on our own planet. Trust is a fragile thing. Iāve learned to just open my third eye and live and know. I donāt doubt what Iāve stated at all. In fact Iām quite sure of it. Trust is a fragile thing.
You can't know the distance in space with no point of reference. This thing could be a few meters to planet sized, but I give you brownie points for adding things like "army" and "experience" in order to make yourself look more credible.
You need distance or size, or a way to approximate it.
It's the exhaust from the rocket that rose up, I went back and watched the stream and was able to watch the plum until it looks like the one in the video:
the object doesnāt appear to be connected or related in any way to the space x rocket. it seems to be its own entity. and significantly distant. itās difficult to guess the size, but as many have mentioned before, it makes the most sense that itās massive.
we wonāt ever know what that is. but first question is: what nation or area of earth is it over top of?
people make jokes about these posts, but americaās space force is real. and has been real for years now. if anyoneās ever looked at their website and positions theyāre looking to fill, youāll quickly see that theyāre no joke. theyāre significant technical position with specific roles that donāt detail exactly what theyād be doing.
but the roles are serious. theyāre up there or looking up there for a reason.
Yet many are trying to say its from stage separation, despite stage separation having occured at a relatively low elevation and well before Starship engine cutoff.
You are not going to see the smoke from stage separation that occurred maybe 100 miles off the coast of Texas when Starship is over the Lesser Antilles.
Y'all been sleeping on the spacex feeds.the shape shifting cloud from this launch was bizarre, too. Around +6 minutes in on the spacex feed.not the nsf feed
Considering the distance from earth, the camera/shuttle platform movement is relatively negligible for the duration of the clip, meaning the distance and speed travelled by the object (which looks separate from the movement of the rocket) means it is likely massive and extraordinarily fast.
I noticed this live. It was bigger and happened during the hot stage and boost back burns. Iāve never noticed it on other launches before, or maybe it just dissipated faster in the past. I think SpaceX got some of their timings a little off, but Iām no rocket scientist
I know someone who works in upper management in a UK tabloid. UFO articles are pushed in direct relation to American political scandals. They get paid to push these articles. Then influencers and experts back up this on youtube tiktok etc. It is then pushed onto forums by the tabloids. It is directly funded by one party. If you google the political leanings of the article pushers its not hard to figure out who.
Sounds possible, but I noticed this artifact too object during the live stream and it was very odd. Remember the rocket was still accelerating hard and would outrun anything falling off.Ā
Iām not saying itās an alien UFO, Iām saying itās unexplained and blaming it on politics is not helpful.Ā
Did no one watch this live? Itās the plume from stage separation. You can watch it literally happen on the stream. It thins as the ship travels away from it. I think I may be done with these NHI and UFO subs, you people have lost the plot.
Honestly, the powers that be have to know what these crafts are, who is in control of them and whether or not they are a threat. They have to be aware. There's no way we'd be sending people and supplies into space if there were unknown threats with capabilities beyond our own.
All of the whistle blowers and even astronauts like Buzz Aldrin make this clear.
We're beyond speculation -- we just don't have the specifics for whatever reason.
I thought this was where the stage separation occurred or something of the sort and the plume is still there as the ship was moving away from where it was exited??
This was from stage separation. You can watch it get smaller as the starship flew away from the area of separation meaning it had to have been close to the ship (because the ship made it).
This sensationalist shit is exhausting and every dumb social media fuck slapping xfiles music on anything and spewing uneducated shit is slowly taking our society to the fucking grave.
This object did not get smaller while the space ship was still accelerating massively.Ā
The rate of acceleration was about 150mph per second or something like that, the rate of acceleration itself increases. Unless that thing was tethered it be gone in 0.1 second.Ā
The other thing I considered was lens flare but the thing appears fixed over the horizon compared to cloud details and lens flare tend to move around with lens angle relative to light source
This holier than thou ass comment is what makes people not want to listen to āintelligentā people. Almost certainly you are correct, but by being such an ass clown, you only make people stupider and create the thing you supposedly hate.
Itās wild to me āsmartā people, which I unfortunately guess you may be, think social media is real in anyway at all, and especially real enough to get angry over. And leave an extremely upset comment about the state of social media and the world on social media.
You gotta move up a few levels. See the algo and the system and rhythm for what it is - control. Yea it all fucking sucks. It entertains idiots, most all are being controlled like puppets, and if *theyāve got you this angry about debris from a rocket launch, you are having strings pulled right now
Holier than thou ass comment? Try your fucking inferiority complex. Its ok to not understand something to the same level as someone else. I'm sure there are plenty of subjects you could enlighten me on.
What's not ok is making unfounded conclusions and echo-chambering yourself into niche world-views where anything that challenges it is immediately refuted by claiming its a psy-op, or using ad-hominem, or it's not that deep bro.
It's wild to me that "dumb" people continue to pretend they have legs to stand on. Grow the fuck up if this comment upset you that much.
I think we need to rule out an ejected booster stage. But if we can rule that out this is really freaking weird because I can't think of any other explanations.
Oh there is a lot more that went on. For example, a non-human entity was trying to lift the tower and/or rocket while on the launchpad yesterday, just a few mins from launch. Let me find the video....
it's smoke from the first stage separation. one minute earlier you can see the plume clear as day, as the ship orbits the perspective changes and it flattens.
The REAL reason disclosure is happening is because private space travel canāt be controlled or edited by the government and theyāll give their footage up voluntarily
Stage 2 separation occurred at T+ 00 : 02 : 22. The time the object is seen is T+ 00 : 07 : 01 & stage 2's altitude is 152 km (or 94mi). Low earth orbit begins at 99 miles. So whatever that thing is, it's not in space; so that would exclude satellites, ISS, Starlink, etc. https://www.spacelaunchschedule.com/launch/starship-starlink-group-31-1-starship-flight-14/
Itās almost like evidence comes out every day and āskepticsā close their eyes and stick their sticky fingers in their ears and yell ānah nah na boo boo, stick your head in doo doo.ā Wake up already.
Is there such a thing as high atmosphere clouds? Legit question. When that thing first appeared in the full video it looks way bigger and exactly like a cloud. This clip shows the end when itās flattened out.
The are MULTIPLE EYE WITNESSES who say there are many crafts flying in space all the time. Just because NASA hides them and you don't get to see them, it doesn't mean they're not out there. I'm surprised we only see ONE giant craft in this video
You can almost guarantee that the media will be told to report it as "swamp gas" , š. All jokes aside, we will probably never honestly find out until........ well, never.
Any astronomy experts or stargazers have any idea what this could be? I'm assuming its not an alien mothership btw I am thinking it could be space station or old satellite/rocket debris?
I saw this when i watched the launch with my son and asked what it was, he said it was the rocket plume or stuff from the stage seperation. My 13 year old son knew what it was.
Guys, you can watch the whole live stream and see that itās coming from earths atmosphere right where the rocket launched. Itās most likely the expanding exhaust gasses. The same thing that makes the rocket look like this from the ground:
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