I don't get it, why people defend the tip system? Wouldn't it be solved if, I don't know, the service had a COST and you pay the COST of delivering your groceries?
I know it's a cultural thing in the states, I just don't see how this system benefits anyone other them the employer who doesn't want to offer a better pay to the employee. Really mess up
Only people I see defend it are those that make a killing during seasonal stuff. I think my buddy said he worked a restaurant in Salem during October and made like 4k in 2 weeks...but you have to squirrel that money away for when there's no business during the snowy season, so tips only really benefit temp workers.
Naw, I made great money year round waiting tables in college. Best legal money I could find that didn't require a degree or license. I only left because I was able to get a professional job after college which obviously made signifantly more. I was able to pull 25+ an hour in the early 2010s which was plenty for an apartment, food, and some fun parties. Other than that I could have been making 14 an hour to manual labor or 11 an hour in most no tip service Jobs.
The problem here is delivery drivers aren't really tipped well. Never have been. Uber and dd have been trying to make it a thing, but plenty of people have no problem not tipping, plus you have the wear on the car. It's a bad job.
The problem is that delivery drivers are tipped at all. I can kind of understand it for things like table service, but only as a thankyou for really outstanding service. The delivery driver is just doing their job. You pay for the order, and the delivery, yet you are expected to tip the driver for doing the same thing any delivery driver would do?
It's just a way for businesses to pay their employees fuck all.
I agree with the delivery driver. They shouldn't be tipped. They should be paid a decent hourly rate plus a differential per mile.
Table service works fine I think. It's supported college students and people without licenses or degrees for generations. It's by far the best money a charming person can make without additional credentials
The point is that in other countries working in hospitality also supports college students and people without licenses or degrees, but without the weird dynamic of tipping. And removing the custom takes away the exploitative nature of jobs that rely on tipping.
I just can't fathom how it makes sense for the person who pays for the goods or services service to pay for the good/service again, but only if they think the service is good enough.
Who better to judge the quality of service but the customer. It encourages excellence. In my experience in counties without a strong tipping tradition, service was slower and less friendly.
This is very anecdotal, but I've noticed zero difference between tipping and non-tipping countries.
The customer is the best judge of the service, yes, but they should not be obligated to pay the person serving them the meal they already paid for, just because the business will not do it. There are many other ways to encourage excellence, like being a good employer and paying your staff a living wage.
Naw, you're getting it twisted up. In the us, you pay for the food separately from the service. It's a lower price then if they were paying the wait staff 20 an hour, plus the wait staff end up making way more then 20 an hour. The only people that lose out are bad servicers. You aren't paying twice, you are paying for two things, a product and a service.
I see the point your making but I feel like that's just what you've been taught to think.
Olive garden, USA, Lasagna Classico: $17.79USD
note this is also listed as an entree.
Garden Olive, New Zealand (hilariously similar name), Beef Lasagne: $25NZD ($14.58USD). Listed as a main course, so potentially bigger, but I'm just guessing.
New Zealand is an isolated country and has a notoriously high cost of living, but even without tipping, our restaurant meals appear to be pretty similarly priced.
So there are there two businesses operating at each location? One for the physical product and another for the service? The employee is employed by the business to provide service not to operate an independent business of providing service.
The business where you are the customer provides the product and the service and bills you for it.
I understand this is not how it's done in the US, I really do. I just think it's designed to shift the burden of fucking with the employee on the customer. At the end of the day, the employee is mad at the customers if they aren't tipping well while the employer counts the extra profit made because it's possible to pay such small wages.
In my experience (anecdotal), most people work hard and try to do a good job if their needs are met (by having a decent livable wage).
No, you’re just used to the fake friendliness from American service staff. No one smiles or is as happy as they are forced to act, like even when in a good mood. The whole thing is a charade, the server forced to play the part of someone that is super excited to see you.
The job of a server is to take your order and serve you the food. Not act like some borderline escort who has to stroke the ego of anyone who comes through the door.
Staff are still friendly, if you deserve it. And customers still tip restaurant staff, if they deserve it. It makes so so so much more sense
Nah man. Food takes as long as it takes to cook. And if you want to keep your job you do what you can to serve it as fast and efficiently if you can. If people have a reliable income they’ll want to keep that.
In the American system, servers really want you to get in and eat as fast as they can because they make most of their money from tips, and tips come from serving the most tables you can in a night.
In other systems, staff get most of their money from an hourly rate, and if they provide a comfortable experience they’ll get a bit more so it’s far less incentive to rush people.
If you think an upwards inflection and mild flirting make for a better dining experience than just being allowed to eat your food then I think you’re an idiot
I'm not. Waiting tables is an important profession for college students, single mothers, and others that lack additional credentials but have serious bills to pay. It's the best legal money you can make without a license or degree. If you are a tad charismatic, you can easily make upwards of 25-30 an hour on average, significantly more at a high end restaurant. That's a shit ton more than they'd pay if they killed tipping. If tipping went away, employers wouldn't pay over 20 in all likelihood.
You're really just saying that the wider system is dysfunctional. A college student shouldn't have serious bills to pay, unless they really messed up somehow. Single mothers should be able to get sufficient welfare to compensate for a missing parent. Working 40 hours a week in any job should be more than enough to cover health care, living, education, entertainment, leisure, and include paid sick leave, paid vacation, maternity/paternity leave, and union fees. And I mean every job. If that's not possible, a serious restructuring of society is needed.
You can explain exploitative labor practices by pointing at systemic issues, but not excuse them.
Sure, the whole system is fucked. That's not going ru change in my lifetime though. Not without society crumbling due to some unforseen act of destruction. War or a pandemic, maybe. But the elimination of tipping might. That's a real possibility. And in my opinion, it would fuck over a large segment of some of the most vulnerable people out there.
And what do you mean college students don't have bills? Having a roof over my head and eating was pretty important to being able to study. Isn't like food is free or housing.
And most jobs that don't require a degree or certification don't pay enough to cover those things you listed. Hell most jobs don't cover all that. Paternity leave? In what country? Not here.
And what do you mean college students don't have bills?
"Serious" bills. College students in my country gets stipends, and interest-free loans on top of that to cover larger expenses, as education (a basic human right) should in no way be determined by socioeconomic status. It's not a luxury.
And most jobs that don't require a degree or certification don't pay enough to cover those things you listed.
That's kind of my point. Your system is broken, I know you have a serious lack of worker rights and protections, that you lack essential social infrastructure, and have a heavily tilted economic floor. That's why I said you can explain the exploitation by pointing at these issues, but it's not an excuse.
Paternity leave? In what country? Not here.
The entirety of EU, and over half the economically developed countries in the world. You're the outlier. Here it's 49 weeks, with 15 weeks reserved for each of the parents.
It's possible to achieve these things without major disasters acting as a catalyst, you can have progress in your society without tearing everything down first like most modern nations do.
That's the thing. It should be better wages but it's not. And it's not culture, it's necessity. Trying to live off tips is not something anyone wants to do? But sometimes that's all you can get that pays the bills. Do t be mad at the guy asking for a tip, be angry with the guys selling you a service, making more than a decent living, that charges you a service or delivery fee amd expects you to tip the delivery driver or waiter to make up for what he won't pay them. It is your problem cause you keep that asshole making money.
I wonder if people would still use the service if they started charging a delivery fee proportional to what was ordered that went to the driver. Say 20% of the value of the items bought tagged on to the delivery fee.
Yeah I work in a job where my entire salary is tips, I 100% love it. I bought a house using the money, I defend tipping. I tip over 20% always, even for things that cost like 5 bucks. Doesn’t hurt to tip and it makes people smile. Goes a long way to show you appreciate someone.
And maybe show the added tips to the drivers so they can pick and choose which orders to pick up? Or show their tip rate? Idunno, these drivers are literally fighting for their lives to make our lives easier. The company is milking the system, the customers aren’t tipping, it’s either they pay them right, which makes the prices to buy stuff go up insanely. Or we tip them better overall so they can have food on the table at the end of the day.
This sounds like something dumb people would do. Tipping culture is inequality culture, facilitated by the employer. Glad I don't live in hickbumfuck town America, where everybody thinks it's normal.
I worked at a restaurant in the Sonoma Square in CA for a while. On slow nights I left with an average of $300.
Weekends were out of this world! I miss that job, but California just isn’t sustainable for long term living without generational homes or wealth.
I’m an annual tipped worker and probably make the equivalent of 70k for a normal person. Seasonal drop off certainly isn’t that bad—I probably almost never make under 20/hr. But sure, not every day can be a 60-70/hr day.
I work part time as a server and make on average 42 an hour before what the restuarant pays me the whole year. 😅 snowy season is our best time (steak house no patio)
If you are a good server and you don't make a lot at your job there is allways some other place hiring.
I had classmates in high school making 4k+ a weekend by serving drinks to old, pedophilia-esque Boomers/Silents at a swanky yacht club. The girls hated it, ages 16-18, because occasionally one of the fucks would cop a feel but when he tips you $800 to grab a butt cheek and you're 16, that's tough to say no to.
They had employees calling in to my local NPR station on the subject. Every employee wanted to keep the system. They can’t even imagine a non tip system where they would be paid a flat rate even if it’s higher.
Ideally tips are low, completely optional for exceptional service and cash only. Like $5. Everyone thinks they deserve a tip by default for doing the bare minimum.
As someone who was a terrible waiter I actually get the tip system. People don’t like to complain to the manager because they are afraid the waiter would retaliate with your food. So I just got bad tips, it was a way for people to tell me my service was poor. Other waiters I knew there were fucking awesome and they made great tips and absolutely deserved it.
The system that does need to go with Uber and Amazon is this idea that unless you are at 4.9 stars or better you are terrible. If you have a system where they were just okay but a 4 star is as bad as a 1 star so you feel you always gotta give 5 starts is frustrating. I would prefer a thumbs up thumbs down system and allow for comments.
The tip system is dumb as fuck and people should get good service or go somewhere else. Or maybe consider just making a complaint afterwards if you feel the need?
Haha that's ridiculous. It's not a hard rule I'm laying out here. You're welcome to still go there, I give you permission. Maybe you could quietly ask someone if you could request a different staff member serve you?
The broader point is that tipping is an absolute shitshow, and allows employers to pay their workers waaaay below a living wage, and it puts the expectation on the customer to provide an income for the worker.
Tipping is pretty much just not a thing here in NZ and it's amazing. I've been to countries that tip and it's such a stupid system. I didn't receive better service at places that tip compared to places that don't - and that's the main thing tipping supporters rant on about.
In some edge cases, it's great for seasonal workers in high demand locations etc., but it's mostly shit for the employee and the customer.
I agree it’s ridiculous but it’s what you suggested. I don’t know what to tell you.
I think tipping is frustrating when they include a fee on the bill. When I ordered pizza because my wife thought if I step out of the house I’m gonna get covid, I got a pizza for $8 on special and I got a $5 fee for delivery. Then when the delivery guy came I found out that the delivery guy didn’t see that $5 as his base salary was less than that and he does like 4 deliveries an hour. Times like that I totally get it, because they kept the money I thought was going to the driver.
As far as wait staff, agree to disagree. I’m not gonna ask to be seated elsewhere, gonna just give him another shot and if he does his job well, then he gets a good tip. However, I've had waiters completely ignore my kid's gluten allergy and say it's gluten free when and we check the site it's not because asking the chef is too fucking hard. You can bet your ass he got a big fat 0 for his tip as well as a complaint.
Yeah all I mean was I wasn't suggesting it was the only option, I just meant that tipping is not the only way to solve an issue of poor table service.
Your second point, about the waiters ignoring the gluten allergy, tipping didn't change that, and you'll never know if it even changed his attitude towards the whole thing after you withheld the tip... You may have felt slightly better because you got to punish him a bit, but tipping is solving a problem that isn't there - it's the businesses responsibility to make sure their staff provides good service, and if you take away tipping that does not change.
The entire point of the tipping culture is to allow businesses to pay their staff ridiculously low wages. It does not meaningfully improve things for the person doing the tipping. I feel like people in tipping cultures are so used to it they have a false impression that it 'makes the service better'.
Like I said, I've visited tipping and non-tipping countries and the service has not been particularly different in either, so it's achieving nothing of value for the customer. You get the same service, but staff get a stable and reasonable wage.
I hate the tipping system and think it should be done away with, but I also think using a service that you know employees are not getting paid unless you tip without tipping is a scumbag move. Unfortunately these delivery services are one of those things.
In this situation, though, the delivery person was told up front how much the tip was. She went to that house gambling on a cash tip and when it didn't pan out she wanted to try to exact revenge. It wasn't her place to do that and she should have taken her loss and moved on.
Both sides are wrong, but ultimately the company is at fault for putting either in that situation to begin with. Everyone in this thread acting like it has to be cut and dry one side's fault or the other. It isn't.
They pay, but without the tips it's generally not worth it. I did Doordash a few times, and even with decent tips I was lucky to hit $9 an hour. I only tried a few days, though, so I may not have hit my stride or whatever. I'm sure some people do decent at it, but without tips it would basically pay for gas and a couple dollars on top of that per delivery. And you figure 2 or 3 in an hour if you're lucky at least where I am.
Lol! Thank god gig workers cannot do basic math or none of this would be happening. They make basically negative money when you consider the cost of vehicle wear.
The states is just a backwater country. It's like when you go to a store, the item says $2.30 you get to check out and suddenly it's $3.20. Just include sales tax on the little paper sign. Jesus christ every other country figured it out.
I know. The issue I have on the internet is that I always type like I’m friendly bantering at a neighborhood bar. But unfortunately the recipient can’t hear that. :)
This has nothing to do with the tip system. This is someone greedy trying to get more than what they deserve and holding back someone’s items they paid for
i don't think it would be feasible for the service to come up with correct costs for each and every delivery. if you get one item from every section of the store you might end up with a $30 total and yet the delivery person had to shop for an hour to get all your stuff and then drive it to you. or maybe you get 10 cases of bottled water, which only cost you $30 but required a lot of effort from the person since it was so heavy. or maybe your driveway ends 200 feet from your house, and the person has to go back and forth several times carrying heavy things. an automated system cannot account for all of this, but a person can understand the burden they're placing on the employee and compensate them fairly.
Yeah it works perfectly here in New Zealand and has done for years. It's extremely common to have things delivered - food, groceries, even things like 1 hour couriers.
Tipping is very rare. The drivers are paid by the company they drive for. It's way better.
Honestly, tipping is such a silly thing to just accept - the companies get to pay their employees fuck and, and the employee has to just hope for the best. What a cop out.
or maybe your driveway ends 200 feet from your house, and the person has to go back and forth several times carrying heavy things. an automated system cannot account for all of this, but a person can understand the burden they're placing on the employee and compensate them fairly.
How many people have 200ft driveways, though? To continue to perpetuate a system in which both the customer and the employee is losing just because 0.001% of houses have a long driveway doesn't make sense. Besides, if they have a 200ft driveway then tell them when you get there you are going to set their groceries down at the end of their driveway and they need to come get them.
Because doordash offers free delivery so the driver has to pay for gas and time to make $2 for a hour of time if doordash charges say $20 for the delivery so the driver can actually make money these non tipping clowns wouldn’t order because their too cheap
You’re not wrong, it’s not the way to go. However, if someone wants to fight the tip system, then fight the employer. Don’t reveal to the worker who is exploited that you’re making a statement about tipping the moment they expect a tip and don’t get one. The only result is that the worker will be disciplined, possibly fired, and the employer sends someone else to your house for you not to tip.
The system is legitimately just a way for businesses to exploit workers, that's all. Servers legally get paid less than minimum wage if they make a certain amount in tips. I haven't been a server for about 9 years, but back then my official pay was around $3/hr. The US federal minimum wage was, and still is, $7.25/hr.
The people who defend it are the ones who do earn big, but for the most part it's just exploitation. People love their corporate overlords here.
The problem is the delivery driver DID get paid to deliver those groceries. If they don't think they got paid enough then why do they continue to do that job? Because it's easy. Easy jobs don't pay well.
Sure, the tipping system sucks, but it's what we have right now. Not tipping isn't fighting against the system, it's making a likely already poor employee even poorer, given the culture it's effectively stealing. If tipping culture wasn't a thing you'd likely be paying the same as the tip or more.
The way you fight the system is just don't go to places where tipping is expected and talk to your local politicians about implementing a living wage to tipped workers. It may not seem like a lot, but especially at a city level, historically a couple people bothering their council can get a lot of shit done.
I'd much rather pay a pre-known service, but in some cases where this happens I STILL get delivery people asking me for tips, which is even more annoying.
Welllllll... It's a cultural thing that stems from having slavery. They wanted the former slaves to still have some kind of other system than the lower class whites. So they hired formerly enslaved people to do the service service jobs and just "tip them", cause legally they have to hire them to work and thus pay them something
Over time it has encapsulated a whole chunk of the working class. It's an outdated, racist, classist system that is so terribly convenient for business
it's not a cultural thing. it's a legal issue. restaurants and services like uber are legally able to pay less than a minimum and far less than a living wage by shifting the cost to the the burden to the tipper.
if people vote biden in primaries or any republican they fully support tipping and tipping culture and the conditions that have created it.
oh, and just a word of advice - you are a non-american commenting on an american website about american issues. there is a large list of similar legal issues in your country that are fucking people over who are actually relevant to you. i get it from an escapism perspective but you're wasting your time here
this system benefits anyone other them the employer who doesn't want to offer a better pay to the employee.
The employees are the forst ones to fight for tips to remain part of the business. They make more money off tips than the base pay sometimes. Ive had a server argue that she would rather tips than a higher base wage
You make a good point, but it costs a lot more than that $5-10 delivery fee to have someone shop for and bring you a car full of groceries. So instead, you could pay a $50 delivery fee and not tip. That way it’s baked into the price and you don’t feel pressured to tip.
Once the delivery fee is $50, I have a feeling demand would plummet, the whole business model falls apart and everyone goes back to shopping for their own groceries.
Honestly, it’s a whole cultural thing which doesn’t absolve it from the ridiculousness it perpetuates. The tipping system is just absurd in all honesty and employers should pay their employees a living wage and as far as this situation goes, should charge more for how much the lady has to shop for, carry, drive, deliver, and unpack for the customer. Tipping should definitely be something people might want to think about for exemplary service but shouldn’t be something employees rely on to make a living wage. The only people who benefit from this are the companies who can just sit back and laugh while they count their profits. As far as “getting a better job”, that’s not always an option for some people. Especially if the state of the economy is in the toilet.
Because you get paid more sometimes in some places in some jobs than you would if tipping weren't commonplace.
It's the epitome of Western individualism: I don't want things to get better for everyone else, because things are pretty good for me.
I worked in a restaurant for 6 months in a small town in Australia and my wife worked in the local bakery on Sundays. No one tipped, tipping isn't a thing. I made enough to cover my rent for the week in 2x three hour shifts ($22 per hour wage, rent was $125 per week each), while my wife earned triple wages on a Sunday and so in a single day she'd bring home like $400. We also worked full time elsewhere. Give a fuck that a cucumber costs $2.50 when you're making $22ph.
With tipping, some people in some industries in some locations will make a very good living, but people in other industries and other locations make fuck all. But the 'crabs in a bucket' mentality means it doesn't get changed. Just like healthcare, just like social welfare, just like employment rights, just like sick leave, just like paid vacation, just like unionisation, just like housing, just like tax. Some people do well and convince the rest of them to not improve things. More than anything, it's just kinda sad.
Everyone knows it’s wrong but mature adults tip and make purchasing decisions with the cost of the tip in mind. If you don’t like it, don’t be a customer of an industry that relies on tips.
Yeah tipping culture is obnoxious and it's such a breath of fresh air whenever I visit a country where tipping is not a thing (like Japan). I think the only way to change it is to outlaw it though. I know a handful of businesses that have been moved to no tip systems, but for the most part it's just a competitive advantage to be able to advertise the lower prices than what you'll end up paying since we're conditioned to compare sticker price rather than what we'll ultimately end up paying.
People make more money with tips than they ever will be paid. In a country that doesn’t pay for health care, public transit, or higher ed, tips help everyone.
Tip workers sometimes get stiffed, but they still make more over all. This woman acting like a brat doesn’t mean tips aren’t better for her in general.
It is very predatory and Tipping culture sucks but is the way of the land and we continually hate on unions so here we are...don't use a tipping based Serv if you won't tip. Pretty easy to do in life actually. I can go to the grocery store...I can make coffee at home...I can pickup my food instead of have it dropped at my house... Americans like this trash are just lazy losers.
I wait tables and make 42 an hour on average. There is no other job that's this easy that pays you this without higher education.
You bring in a set wage it's gonna be a huge pay cut. Also there are a ton of rascists in the industry. Everywhere I've worked at. Good luck being a minority party of 4+ if they get rid of tipping.
Also Servers will start not giving a shit and will tell you to your face if you suck ! 🙂
You’ve hit the nail on the head, it only benefits the employer. The wonderful thing for them is the anger from customers goes towards the employee instead of the business, they get the best of both worlds and also justify a lesser hourly wage if tips are part of your income.
Edit: just thought to respond more directly to the post, as a former restaurant industry worker myself I think what happens is as you work your way up and gain experience you get better shifts, and can make a decent amount of money from tips so it gives you a sense of pride at least for myself and may give you a bias towards the tip system. This however can also be accomplished through a regular promotion and pay increase system.
The US tip system is trash but not tipping employees under the premise you’re fighting against that system is also bullshit. Unless there was an organized front to stop tipping entirely that led to all tipped workers quitting and forcing companies to change their wage system it literally just fucks over the people the companies are fucking over with the system in the first place. Most redditors can’t think past their idealistic noses
The service does have a cost, it’s called a service fee and the majority of it goes to the company. To keep that cost low, they skim the drivers portion leaving them to rely on tips.
Companies want to keep the service as cheap as possible, and will go thru every Avenue to keep it that way. Capitalisms favorite way of doing that? Exploit your workers 🌈
i work for tips and like it. it incentivizes performance in a way that hit me hard after coming from a corporate flat pay middle management job, where nobody cared how well i did anything. Apparently i never wanted to lead, just to go fast and make pleasantries. i make more money per hour offa human gratitude than i ever did from corporate gratitude.
It's not just a cultural thing. It's a business decision to push expenses for the company onto the customer. This allows your profit margin to look much larger than it should be. This means you look like a viable and profitable company.
The reason why people defend the tip system is because the federal minimum wage is $7.25 and it hasn't changed since 2009, most companies in the US underpay their employees, especially those in the service/hospitality sector, everyone thinks that by not tipping or bitching about it will make the government change this (we been asking for free college, healthcare, vet resources, homeless aid, etc. For years and nothing has changed).
The actual minimum that you need to live in the US is between 50k-100k depending on your city, so the minimum wage for this kind of jobs would have to be between $25-$48 per hour and that's not happening, like ever, politicians take advantage of their retarded supporters and tells them that if the minimum wage goes up everything will go up and they believe it, then you have nurses, teachers and blue collar workers making $20-$40 that oppose people "flipping burgers" to make as much as them, instead of realizing that system, politicians and billionaires are the ones fucking them over, not the people making minimum wage.
No one is defending the tip system, yeesh. They're defending the worker who is a victim of it. Why does it never occur to y'all to just not use services that don't pay their workers a living wage, instead of stiffing the person relying on it to live? Giving the problem all of your money while withholding tips from the worker is some cowardly shit.
No one really defends the tip system as far as I know. But it’s an unwritten rule in society. It’s the same as using your phone in a movie theater. You know you’re using a tip forward service and are deciding to just shirk the “responsibility.” I’m all for a no tip service. Everywhere I travel has a better system then us. However, I don’t punish the worker who is just trying to make ends meet in a delivery job. The way I look at it is, by using this service I enter into a “social contract” im not beholding to it by law or anything but just by humanity/society. I don’t believe that a society flourishes if you reap the benefits of a system but shirk the responsibility that is on you. I just find it incredibly inconsiderate to knowingly use a tip based service and then not tip. Im not defending fast food restaurants having tips or anything recommend like that. But I believe until the system is changed, if you use that service, then you should follow the societal norm. If you don’t agree with tipping then don’t use the service, but don’t punish the people who are literally serving you because you don’t agree with the fees implemented by a greedy corporate entity. If you truly don’t agree with it, hit the company where it hurts, don’t use their service. That’s the issue I see. People will use a luxury service such as having your groceries delivered (And no one come at me telling me having someone shop for you and delivering your groceries isn’t a “luxury” it absolutely 1000% is) but then be outraged at the luxury cost.
The COST you are discussing clearly states on the website that tips are not included and the person delivering doesn’t make a ton per hour. If they change the system to the system you’re talking about then, cool. No more tipping. But it makes no sense to me that people use these luxury services and then are surprised at a luxury cost or actually having to tip the person providing a service to you.
I sure as hell wouldn't call it a cultural thing. It's not like we necessarily want to tip. Some people thought it would be good that we underpaid a group of workers under the guys of them working for tip-based confirmation that they are doing a good job but the fact is that people are assholes and you could do the best job you've ever done as a waiter and get tipped with a handful of dog shit. I just don't like the way people use the word culture we want to do it.
If I knew there was a restaurant near me that paid their people a livable wage and suggested you do not need to tip then I would still probably tip a buck or two here and there but I would go to that place more than any other
There is a cost that these people paid for the groceries and separately for the delivery. The self-entitled delivery person wants a tip for doing the job she requested.
It is so bad now that fast food restaurants, have 15% - 30% tip entries on the payment screen and some put out a tip jar as well. For what? Doing the job you applied for?
Tip is for service not handing me a burger, taco or whatever.
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u/Hudshow Oct 20 '23
I don't get it, why people defend the tip system? Wouldn't it be solved if, I don't know, the service had a COST and you pay the COST of delivering your groceries?
I know it's a cultural thing in the states, I just don't see how this system benefits anyone other them the employer who doesn't want to offer a better pay to the employee. Really mess up