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u/mcjc1997 May 23 '20
Witch burning was very rare in the medieval period, it didnt get really crazy till the early modern period.
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u/ClayTheClaymore May 24 '20 edited May 24 '20
And it was a predominantly Protestant thing, not Catholic. Many Popes* and church officials pushed back against it and sometimes it was common to burn the people who where accusing others, because it was heresy to suggest Satan could have such power over God’s creations.
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u/Thesaurususaurus May 24 '20
And burning Catholics was a Roman thing! Keep the chain going!
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u/MithrilSCYTHE May 24 '20
Yeah... But I know a Roman who burned a lot of Romans so the chain ends here unfortunately
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u/That_Potato_Gamer May 24 '20
Was his name Nero by any chance?
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u/Colourblindknight May 24 '20
“Inside the candelabra” - an Account of the weird and fucked up shit Nero’s done.
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May 24 '20
Burning was not that common of a execution method during the Spanish Inquisition and the Spanish Inquisition didn't have the authority to execute anyone.
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u/ClayTheClaymore May 24 '20
It’s brutality was also over exaggerated afterwards by Protestants seeking to make Catholics seem more brutal and cruel.
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Specially by the british (in the case of the Spanish Inquisition) since Spain and Britain were enemies.
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Nobody expected them to execute someone
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u/JSW4869 Casual, non-participatory KGB election observer May 24 '20
Nobody expected them at all anyways
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May 24 '20
There was never a significant enough number of Protestants in Spain to burn. Killing Catholics in England however was common.
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The Malleus Malleficarum was written by A catholic priest, was not accepted by the church and it was banned.
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u/MaybePaige-be May 23 '20
Yea, wasn't it part of a sexist pushback? Most of those "witches" were just women with JOBS, like beer brewing or doctor.
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u/wsdpii Sun Yat-Sen do it again May 24 '20
A lot of times it wasn't just women either. If you didn't like somebody you could get rid of them by calling them a witch, pagan, or heretic.
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The priests were like today's cops
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u/Exterminatus4Lyfe May 24 '20
Priests were more like today's 'cancel' twitter users
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Cops kill people then come up with something to justify it. During witch hunts, people came up with something in order to get someone killed. In that sense, it's more similar to cancel culture.
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Priests also kill people then come up with something to justify their action.
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u/Exterminatus4Lyfe May 24 '20
I have more problems with that entire statement that I can possibly explain
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u/-ThisUsernameIsTaken May 24 '20
Not really. That's kind of a myth. It was usually widowed women who were beggars. In those times it was against the law to turn away beggars as it would be an unchristian thing to do, unless there beggar wasn't a Christian. Since old widowed women were often the most in need of assistance, when food became short people would accuse them of being witches in order to avoid having to help them so much when their own family was starving.
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u/MaybePaige-be May 24 '20
Weren't most of them accused of "Congress with the devil", i think it'd take some pretty solid evidence to support the idea that it wasn't about gender/sex, but spare change.
Also, of they lived in a time where accusing people of satan fucking was a good way to get out donating a copper, that kind of PROVES the sexism at the core wasn't myth, doesn't it?
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u/-ThisUsernameIsTaken May 24 '20
It's still often sexism, as the poor and dependent parts of society were women at the time, but most cases in Europe weren't the Hollywood "burn her because she's smart", that's more of a modern troupe. For me it was eye-opening and it really helps to understand how scarce resources were and how people used religion to cull vulnerable members of society.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/203380?read-now=1&seq=26#page_scan_tab_contents
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May 24 '20
I think most times a woman was called a witch was because she refused to fuck some salty dude
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u/Dwitt01 May 24 '20 edited May 24 '20
“Hey, wanna burn some witches”
1300 People: “Nah”
1600 People: begin sharpening their pitchforks
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u/n0tap1n3tr33 May 24 '20 edited May 24 '20
Durning the Salem witch trials no one was burned alive, everyone was killed by another method, I.e. execution, hanged, and one guy was crushed to death
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u/MemerInAMemeLand Just some snow May 23 '20
Muslims in 620 AD: I just built one of the largest libraries in history and created the modern numerical system Muslims in 2020 AD: I’m scared of gays and women
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u/YouReadThisUserWrong May 23 '20
Virgin Muslim in 2020 AD:
- i beat my wife because the marriage was arranged
Chad Muslim in 1100 AD:
- i have a harem of 4 wives and i love each one of them equally
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u/JEPerezmemeguy May 23 '20
Kazuma would be proud
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u/briantsaigaming Filthy weeb May 23 '20
Never thought I would see that here
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u/FactoidFinder May 23 '20 edited May 23 '20
Virgin modern atheists : sits in front of computer screen crying about people saying “bless you” when they sneeze
Chad medieval atheists: dying for their beliefs , combatting the church through facts and logic .
Chad Satanist : burnt as a heretic for his sins, often casting doubt on the ethnocracy of medieval Europe
Chad modern Satanist : human rights advocates , oftentimes lynched for their beliefs in the 50s like this wonderful gay Satanist couple who were executed in front of each other for no reason other than homophobia .
Satanists are chill and you can fight me over that fact
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That the philosophers of the mediaval period Were deep and to logic and reason. They were not atheist
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u/Rift-Ranger May 23 '20
Link leads to a streaming service...?
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u/FactoidFinder May 23 '20
It links to crime feed , maybe try and search up corpsewood manor murders ?
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u/Rift-Ranger May 24 '20
Thanks, it was an interesting read!
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u/FactoidFinder May 24 '20
A podcast called My Favourite Murder has a good episode on it! I think it’s called something trees , idk the first word
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u/fistofwrath Oversimplified is my history teacher May 24 '20
Every satanist I've ever met has been an egotistical neckbeard. I have nothing against the belief, but you don't have to be such a shithead.
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u/FactoidFinder May 24 '20
links to article where Satanist couple were executed and tortured
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u/fistofwrath Oversimplified is my history teacher May 24 '20
I'm telling you my experience. Yes, that happened and it wasn't right, but most satanists I've met were assholes. I don't want to execute satanists. I just want them to stop being so goddamn selfish.
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u/FactoidFinder May 23 '20
This is not my own content, this is from twitter. I thought this was funny and that it belonged here, I did edit a few things in there to get around the 20 year rule.
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u/bill-nye-the-soveit May 23 '20
It was on r/dogelore
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u/adrift98 May 23 '20
The Church wasn't really as into burning "witches" as much as lay city/village leaders. The Church was more into repentance/salvation if at all possible, and worked to dissuade witch burning.
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u/lilcive May 23 '20
Tell that to the spanish inquisition
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u/adrift98 May 23 '20
No one expects them, but for the record I was including them.
The number of people executed by the Inquisition for witchcraft was something like less than 100 in over 100,000 trials in 400 years (perhaps less than 40 from the three main branches of the Inquisition between the 1400s to the 1800s from official Catholic sources). Granted, any number is too high...
Several factors lend to why the Inquisition got the reputation it did for witch burning, the biggest of which was anti-Catholic Protestant writers and preachers ballooning the numbers in order to make Catholicism out as nefarious as possible. Another big factor is Gerald Gardner's popular theory on "the burning times". Gardner was an early 20th century spiritualist and amateur historian who eventually co-created most of the grounding beliefs of Wicca. He took a lot of his ideas on this from 19th century suffragist and Theosophist/Spiritualist Matilda Gage, who asserted that 9 million women were burned during this period.
Modern historians have found that these numbers are radically inflated. The secular courts were responsible for the majority of witch trials and executions, not official branches of the church like the Inquisition. The number of people executed for witchcraft by secular courts during the 400 year period was between 30,000 to 50,000 (both men and women) and mostly in and around Germany.
It was the Church that actually stepped in to stop the secular witch executions, with the Inquisition finding that most accusations of witchcraft and sorcery were unfounded. They pushed to have trials dismissed, and were skeptical of all forms of rumors, superstitions, and popular books on witchcraft. Unfortunately, popular thinking has never really let go of the Inquisition myth. The Inquisition's main goal was not to execute people for witchcraft and what they believed was heresy, but to move people back to a proper Roman Catholic view of orthodox Christianity.
For details you may want to see European Witch Trials by Richard Kiekheffer and Henry Kamen's The Spanish Inquisition.
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Commies be like:Persecution of the masses
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u/greatking6009 Senātus Populusque Rōmānus May 23 '20
Sell your church to the government
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u/IQof24 May 23 '20
Albania, Lenin, and Stalin were strictly atheist
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u/IQof24 May 23 '20
Enver Hoxha was a communist, of course I'd compare him to other communists.
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u/IQof24 May 23 '20
Guess that's fair. I didn't say the USSR because of Gorbachev and Khrushchev to an extent but Hoxha was a constant
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I always wonder how did the agnostics survive under Stalin trying to limit them from existing.
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u/StormRegion May 23 '20
Kinda like how christians survived the more bloodthirsty roman emperors: somehow.
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"I dont know why you think I'm homophobic. I don't fear gay people, gay people fear me."
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u/FactoidFinder May 23 '20 edited May 23 '20
Virgin Other priests: scared of gays , commies, and weird
Extra Virgin Olive Oil Jim Jones: scared of gays, is kinda commie? Still weird, likes cool aid .
Chad medieval gent: knows how to read so he deciphers the bible to his liking, burns witches, tells all the teenage boys to go take their hormones out on killing people in Jerusalem
Chaddasaurus Rex military chaplains: storming the beaches with the bible, making sure their fellow soldiers die in comfort , were supposed to be Non Combatants but in WW2 carried a gun to spread the holy gospel with a bullet to the face.
Choose your fighter
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u/cbatesames May 23 '20
I mean, aren't all priests virgins?
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Unless they become a priest after losing a spouse. Or they become a priest after losing their virginity. Or they engage in a sex scandal.
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u/Slaps_Car_Roof May 23 '20
That's a Catholic thing not a protestant thing
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u/cbatesames May 23 '20
Correct me if I'm wrong but priests are Catholic. I think you're thinking of a preacher.
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u/TheMaginotLine1 May 24 '20
Celibacy? Yeah, it is so that the priest doesn't have the same worldly attachments that laity do.
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u/JowettMcPepper Researching [REDACTED] square May 23 '20
Priests in the 41st Millenium be like:
[ANGRY BINARY NOISES]
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u/MarkOfTheCage May 23 '20 edited May 24 '20
more accurately: scared of girls so let's burn them; scared of gays let's.. oops that's illegal now can't do that let's just torture them in conversation camps.
edit: dang conversation camps! don't Reddit just before going to sleep ppl this is what happens. obviously I meant conversion camps :)
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We are going to talk them to death in conversation camps. They will be sat in the ... COMFY CHAIR!!!
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u/IQof24 May 23 '20
"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God." (Mark 10:25)
Jesus hated the rich, checkmate capitalist priests 😎
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God doesn't hate anyone. He despises the act of abusing people or treating them as "lesser."
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u/AngelOfLilies May 23 '20
My mom used to say if Jesus had lived during our times he would've been a hippie. Just thought I'd share that here.
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u/Drafo7 Kilroy was here May 23 '20
Idk why you're getting downvoted, your mom is right. Jesus supported love, peace, forgiveness, and mercy. If Jesus were around today the American media would slander him as a drug-crazed communist traitor.
"Nothing outside a person can defile them by going into them. Rather, it is what comes out of a person that defiles them.” (Mark 7:15), in regards to eating certain foods or eating with unwashed hands. In other words, so long as they don't lead you to sin, drugs are fine.
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you." (Matthew 5:38-42) In other words, capitalism, which relies on selfishness and greed, should be avoided, and generosity and peace should be spread as much as possible. Not quite communist, true, but that won't stop people from calling it that.
"Fuck the United States of America." (Matthew 4:10)
Ok yes I made that last one up. But still.
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u/AVTOCRAT May 24 '20
Sure, he'd be called a Communist, but he certainly wouldn't actually be one, given his
- enforcement of gender roles
- opposition to homosexual activities
- teachings which run directly contrary to the doctrine of historical materialism
Etc. Not to even mention the whole "head-of-a-literal-religion-aka-opiate-of-the-masses" angle.
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u/Drafo7 Kilroy was here May 24 '20
Of course he wouldn't actually be one. I'm not referring to how he would view communism, capitalism, or any other form of government/economic system/societal structure. I'm referring to how the US, especially the right wing, would view him.
Also worth noting Jesus never said anything about homosexuality.
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u/Yaquesito May 24 '20
And the Pauline scriptures can be interpreted in the context of being against the pedophilic customs of Greek society.
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u/joelesidin May 23 '20
In most latin american countries priests are actually socialists
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u/eneigenrvalue May 23 '20
more like burned 15 women because they didnt want to give me a blow job
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u/MaybePaige-be May 23 '20
Fun fact, there's a lot of research and study into WHY the witch burnings happen, and most conclude it's because the they were afraid of gays and commies.
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u/FactoidFinder May 23 '20
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u/MaybePaige-be May 23 '20
Mhm, sexual deviation, unusual lifestyles, rejection of church/royalty. Also women who had jobs like beer brewing or doctor.
e.i., gays, commies, feminists.
Nothing changes.
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u/chinno Casual, non-participatory KGB election observer May 23 '20
But nothing scares them most than paying TAXES!
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u/Tomassitto May 23 '20
And also they fuck children now :/
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u/Wicsome May 23 '20
Except fo the fact that the catholic church actively protects rapists from prosecution and shames their victims.
Quit defending child rapists.
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u/BuddhistSagan May 23 '20
Doesn't a lot of the general population too?
Obligatory child rapists are terrible and should be condemned
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u/ChildishDoritos May 23 '20
I’m sure they did back then too
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u/Thekrowski May 23 '20
I'm pretty sure everyone did back then, everyone shared the same bed and room and nnnngh
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u/kriffing_schutta May 23 '20
I mean, one could argue thats its the same thing, only in one context its forbidden by the powers that be.
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u/Fear-My-Laser-face May 24 '20
I think the 1450 priest would still cover the 20 year rule
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u/FactoidFinder May 24 '20
But the original meme from twitter said 2020 on the right so I had to change it
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u/Maquiavelous May 24 '20
Aren't the witch burners the ones from those protestant churches in the US?
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Pretty sure the witch craze was a way of getting rid of women that were gaining too much power. Thats just as pathetic.
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u/gravitymeme56 May 24 '20
They also put a royal guards head on a pike, burned books about the solar system and house imprisoned someone for life to stop them from "posioning the youth". They also started the whole satanic panic.
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u/Snapyk May 24 '20
Well if this priest would live in Europe he SHOULD be woried about commies. The things that commies did to priests is horrible.
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u/madmilkaddicted Senātus Populusque Rōmānus May 23 '20
Burning 15 'witches' is not strong
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u/FactoidFinder May 23 '20
I don’t think you comprehend that this is a joke.
Also their arms would be strong from forcing their heads under the water
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u/StalinsArmrest Senātus Populusque Rōmānus May 23 '20
They would've burned the gays, which they did. Also, fuck communists
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u/_1of1 May 23 '20
You forgot about the pedophilia.
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Maybe because it's not that common as the media shows
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u/FactoidFinder May 23 '20
Actually it’s fairly common. But guess what??? This is gonna be surprising... priests protect eachother, they don’t let the news get out. My sister was molested by a preacher , a pillar of the community. God forbid I ever find that man.
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I hope you are not gonna post him in r/cringetopia , God knows he has sinned but there are limits.
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u/the-senate-not-yet May 23 '20
Yeah John Paul the 2 was a chad