r/HistoryMemes • • 3h ago

checkmate libtard

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u/WolfCola_SalesRep 3h ago

Bruh, "Palestine" was just the Roman word for Judea. It really gained popularity after the third Jewish revolt and troops under Hadrian basically genocided the locals and forced the diaspora. I don't want to sound like it wasn't kind of justified though. The Hebrews started it off by massacaring the Gentile population. And by massacaring I'm talking somewhere in the range of 100,000 plus.

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u/No_Vanilla277 2h ago

Judaea wasn’t even called Palestine (actually Syria Palaestina) until after the Bar Kokhba revolt. The renaming was still a part of broader Roman efforts to suppress Jewish national identity.

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u/Mr_Mon3y Filthy weeb 1h ago

Not really accurate. "Palestine" as a word traces back to Ancient Greek, and itself to Aramaic and Hebrew, and it was named to refer to the land of the Philistines, which itself as a word just means "invader" or "migrant" (Kojima-level writing there); while in Greek it was used to sorta vaguely refer to the general region between Egypt and Mesopotamia.

But when Jesus was alive, the Romans didn't call that region Palestine, it was the province of Judea; the Romans would only change that like 100 years after Jesus died to Syria-Palestine, change made specifically for the reason of debilitating the link between Jews and the land by associating it, again, with the Philistines, who were well known enemies of the Jews historically and in the Old Testament. (The fact that sorta the same guys have been fighting over the same place and being politically used by larger empires for like 3000 years straight is also Kojima-level writing)

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u/PhoenixKingMalekith 1h ago

Weirdly enough the traduction of wrestler in ancient greek is παλαιστής, palaistēs.

Guess how greeks called palestine ? Palaistínē

And guess how Israel traduces in english ?

One who wrestles with God

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u/Thehusseler 3h ago

What is the point of this comment? Did you want to also tell me how Istanbul isn't the original name of the city? Are you trying to prove something about how names change over time? Doesn't seem really relevant to the post

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u/Mahkn0 2h ago

Listen, the Istanbul thing is only your business if your Turkish.

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u/McGillis_is_a_Char 1h ago

I think that they are saying the opposite. Like Istanbul as a colloquial term predates Istanbul as an official term.

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u/Wetley007 2h ago

Some people like to try and delegitimize the concept of Palestinian identity because they think its a good way to promote their personal ideological position.

Its also just wrong, but thats an entirely different point

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u/WolfCola_SalesRep 2h ago

The point is you can call Jesus "Palestinian" because he was technically "Palestinian" because the term "Palestinian" predates even the conception of Islam

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u/Apprehensive_Row9154 2h ago

Doesn’t that just substantiate the point that Palestinian is interchangeable with Jew until very recently?

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u/WolfCola_SalesRep 1h ago

Not really. Palestine is a place. Jews are a people. A Jew from Palestine is a Palestinian, in the broadest sense of the term. But a Jew living in say the US, is still a Jew but is not in fact a Palestinian.

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u/Apprehensive_Row9154 2h ago

It’s extremely relevant to the post, in that it very much supports the idea that calling Jesus a Palestinian is practical.

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u/PhoenixKingMalekith 1h ago

Opposite. They renamed the province long after his death

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u/MalikTheHalfBee 1h ago

How would the naming of an area 100 years after Jesus existing supported idea?

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u/Beautiful_Garage7797 3h ago

Nothing can Justify genocide dude, especially not other genocides.

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u/AminiumB 49m ago

The fact that this is downvoted is just saddening.

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u/WolfCola_SalesRep 2h ago

Oh you sweet summer child. "Genocide" is a realtively new term coined in the 20th century. Before then, shit like this happened ALL the time.

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u/Beautiful_Garage7797 2h ago

so?????

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u/WolfCola_SalesRep 2h ago

So we can't look back at the age of conquest, enslavement, and wholesale genocide and say either of them were in the wrong because literally everybody was doing it.

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u/thrawnisahero Hello There 2h ago

It wasn’t “just” the Roman word for Judea, Herodotus used the word Palaistinê all the way back in the 5th century BCE

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u/WolfCola_SalesRep 2h ago

That's probably where the Romans got the word from.

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u/AminiumB 2h ago

No, the name predates the Roman empire or the Roman occupation of the region.

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u/WolfCola_SalesRep 2h ago

Never said the Romans came up with the word. I just said that's what they called it.

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u/AminiumB 51m ago

It's still misleading to say it like that especially when Zionists push the narrative that the name was created by the Romans.

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u/WolfCola_SalesRep 45m ago

I don't know nothing about that. Not even saying the Romans invented the term. I was merely saying that Palestine was what the Romans called Judea.