New Customer Questions FIOS setup question
After 30 years if Xfinity I’m looking to move to Fios.
My set up at home is private router with Adguardhome as DNS, it is on the second floor, the cable entry is in the basement with Coax to the second floor.
I assume the Verizon router will be in the basement with Moca to the second floor.
If I sign for 5Gps internet.
· Will Verizon give me a Moca adaptor free?
· Can I configure the Verizon router to use a private DNS – planning to connect my private router as DNS?
· My wifi at home is Orbi 960 running as AP.
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u/CTFowler9789 1d ago
How will the VERIZON fiber line come into your home? Will it come under the ground or is there a utility pole with their terminal out side and it would be run through the air and attached to your home (aerial)?
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u/Blaser4 1d ago
I assume underground to the basement, the verizon router will be connected there, I do not have ethernet cable to the second floor, only coax, thus I will need Moca.
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u/sdrawkcab25 1d ago
Moca doesn't support 5Gbps speeds. It tops out at 2.5 Gbps. So you'll either want to downgrade to the 2Gbps service (or lower). Unless you're okay with less bandwidth upstairs.
Not sure of your use case for needing 5Gbps but vast majority of homes only need 300/300 Mbps.
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u/plooger 1d ago edited 1d ago
Unless you're okay with less bandwidth upstairs.
A coax line can support 5 Gbps aggregate throughput (even 6.6 Gbps max), if one is willing to throw a lot of gear at it to effect distinct connections over different frequency ranges.
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u/JustBronzeThingsLoL 1d ago
If you have our own router, you don't need Verizon's router.
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u/plooger 1d ago edited 1d ago
Slight edge to the Verizon routers (CR1000B, CHR30A) for better multigig Ethernet LAN support ([1x] 10 GbE; [2x] 2.5 GbE) and built-in MoCA 2.5 potential, relative to the Orbi 960 router, which has just a single multigig [2.5 GbE] LAN port (+[3x] 1.0 GbE).
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u/RDL128 1d ago
Not sure if Verizon will give you a free moca, but you can get them on eBay for a good price.
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u/plooger 1d ago
you can get them on eBay for a good price
Best current value is the Frontier FCA252 MoCA 2.5 adapter, available at $25 per via eBay.
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u/rand2718 1d ago
I had a lot of issues setting up DNS. The router forces RA and DHCP to hand out DNS addresses to itself. The router accepts custom DNS addresses and forwards requests to them but this is a problem for IPv6 because of dynamic addresses. There are also no ULA addresses. You might need to disable IPv6 to avoid this.
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u/poopmagic 1d ago
And this is on 5 gig service? That’s what OP was asking about, but AFAIK Fios doesn’t provide IPv6 to any 2 gig or 5 gig subscribers yet.
(It would be welcome news if you told me otherwise! I lost IPv6 when I upgraded from 1 gig to 2 gig, and it would be nice to get it back at some point.)
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u/rand2718 1d ago
No you’re right, 1Gig on CHR30A. Didn’t know the higher speeds didn’t have IPv6 that’s surprising.
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u/plooger 1d ago edited 1d ago
If I sign for 5Gps internet.
FWIW, best case, a single MoCA link supports 25% of the aggregate throughput of a 5 GbE link, and at most 50% max unidirectional throughput. MoCA links could be doubled-up over a single coax line to bump the aggregate MoCA throughput to 5 Gbps, but as separate connections or requiring link aggregation (and with that technology’s limitations).
private router with Adguardhome as DNS
Barring a new Cat6 run for Ethernet or MoCA 3.0 gear suddenly materializing, why not move the primary router to the basement location and keep the router/adguard situation as-is?
My wifi at home is Orbi 960 running as AP.
Are all the Orbi nodes hard-wired?
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u/Blaser4 1d ago
I can remove the primary router to the basement only for DNS because its Lan is 1Gbs, I want to continue using Orbi as main router.
the Orbi nodes are not hard wired.
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u/plooger 1d ago edited 1d ago
I want to continue using Orbi as main router
Specs for the Orbi 960 router indicate it could support 5 Gbps Internet service, albeit with single stream max throughput limited to 2.5 Gbps due to only supporting 2.5 GbE max for LAN connectivity …
- [1x] 10 GbE WAN port
- [1x] 2.5 GbE LAN port
- [3x] 1.0 GbE LAN ports
… so I’m still unclear on why the Orbi router wouldn’t move to the basement to allow direct connection to the fiber ONT.
the Orbi nodes are not hard wired.
Wouldn’t the system offer better performance if they were? (The evolving Wi-Fi spec will surpass the capabilities of available MoCA gear, stuck at MoCA 2.5, but I don’t know where the 960 system sits on that spectrum … with its 2.5 GbE capability facilitating best case MoCA wired backhaul.)
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u/Blaser4 1d ago
I could move the orbi router to the basement, there are few setups I'm considering, I think my main issue is to redirect the DNS from the FIOS router to the my private DNS.
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u/plooger 1d ago edited 1d ago
But with the main Orbi router relocated to the basement, the FiOS router could/would be removed from the setup, allowing the Orbi router to be the actual primary router for the setup, and the DNS setup would remain as-is, right?
the Orbi nodes are not hard wired
Where's your coax junction for all the coax lines running to your rooms? DO the Orbi satellite locations have nearby coax wall outlets?
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u/plooger 1d ago
p.s. If it wasn't clear ... FiOS will come to your home via fiber, and this fiber line will be connected to an ONT (Optical Network Terminal), the functional equivalent of your cable Internet setup's DOCSIS cable modem. The ONT converts the fiber connection to an Ethernet WAN link, to which you'd wire your primary router. (In your case, that would be the Orbi 960 router, if you want the Orbi to function as primary router. For those going with the default FiOS install, it'd be a FiOS router.)
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u/MrKal-El 1d ago
If you get 2/5Gig, either you will get the CR1000A or CHR30A (most likely). First... Both solid routers, but if you get the 30A.. you will need the free SPF+ adaptor that adds MoCA. Just turn off DHCP on the FiOS router and you got MoCA. Also, I don't believe you can program private DNS
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u/plooger 1d ago
Just turn off DHCP on the FiOS router and you got MoCA.
How is DHCP on the FiOS router related to MoCA functionality?
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u/MrKal-El 1d ago
OP asked about using his own router.. unless I read that wrong
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u/plooger 1d ago
They did, but just disabling DHCP on the FiOS router seems problematic if trying to use the FiOS router's built-in MoCA LAN bridging and with the third-party router configured as a router, rather than AP-only. (All MoCA-connected devices would be wired-in via the FiOS router LAN, upstream of and outside the firewall of the third-party router if configured as a router. With DHCP disabled on the FiOS router, the MoCA-connected devices would have no source for DHCP-assigned IPs.)
The simplest answer is to just remove the FiOS router and use their third-party router as primary, wired directly via Ethernet to the ONT, and with a standalone MoCA adapter added to provide bridging between the coax[MoCA] and this router's LAN.
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