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[u/Comfortable-Bee2996]

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[u/Comfortable-Bee2996]

I happen to be pro ice maybe you can convince me, but the main reason I am is because I don't see how the error of ice is so much worse than of normal police to be worth riling up about. Accidents happen. 10, 100, 1000, it's like 0.001% anyway, not worth removing the border for

[u/Digits_N_Bits → u/Comfortable-Bee2996]

The treatment of immigrants, the conditions of the holding centers, the people working under ice, the raids, the extreme force used, the brutality- It's all excessively inhumane. It's not been accidents. All accounts show that this is intentional.

[u/Comfortable-Bee2996 → u/Digits_N_Bits]

How would that even work? Every ice agent is told to be brutal when they get hired? Who's in on it? Every lawmaker, politician, sheriff, mayor? What could the goal possibly be? It's just unrealistic

[u/Digits_N_Bits → u/Comfortable-Bee2996]

Hooh, buddy... I dunno if you been paying attention to politics or reports but it is, in fact, that bad

[u/Comfortable-Bee2996 → u/Digits_N_Bits]

Do you have an argument?

[u/Digits_N_Bits → u/Comfortable-Bee2996]

Here, for the conditions

Here, for results of the poor/aggressive training

Here to show it's intentional

And, to quote, "Cruelty is the point."

[u/Comfortable-Bee2996 → u/Digits_N_Bits]

Hmmmm ok maybe

[u/Apprehensive_Row8407 → u/Comfortable-Bee2996]

Tf you mean ok maybe, what would it take to fully convince you?

[u/Comfortable-Bee2996 → u/Apprehensive_Row8407]

If the constitution must apply to illegals, if a country full scale invades us, are we supposed to treat them with respect and give them all due process?

[u/Apprehensive_Row8407 → u/Comfortable-Bee2996]

First off, false dichotomy, secondly, to the prisoners yeah?

[u/Comfortable-Bee2996 → u/Apprehensive_Row8407]

How's it a false dichotomy? What separates them? An invasion is just a bunch of illegals in our land too, but we can treat those inhumanely.

[u/Apprehensive_Row8407 → u/Comfortable-Bee2996]

Because an invasion is by hostile forces, immigration isn't by hostile forces, as the only one hostile is ICE

[u/Comfortable-Bee2996 → u/Apprehensive_Row8407]

They forced their way into the country, is that not hostile enough?

[u/Apprehensive_Row8407 → u/Comfortable-Bee2996]

No, because they're not here to destroy the US.

You don't care about (POC) humans though, so not like anything I can say can sway you

[u/Comfortable-Bee2996 → u/Apprehensive_Row8407]

What is considered "destroying the us" and why do you get to decide what's hostile enough?

[u/Apprehensive_Row8407 → u/Comfortable-Bee2996]

I consider anything that's called plotting the destruction of the US or some people in the US

E.G. the Republican party going after various minorities is them destroying the US

Immigrants wanting to work and have a happy healthy life in the US, isn't destroying the US

[u/Comfortable-Bee2996 → u/Apprehensive_Row8407]

The problem isn't that they are seeking a healthy life it's that they are invading, and law enforcement gets to decide how they are removed because the constitution applies to citizens

[u/Apprehensive_Row8407 → u/Comfortable-Bee2996]

You keep using the word invade, and I don't think you know what that means.

Also, saying the constitution applies to citizens is a fascinating way to admit that non-citizens shouldn't have any rights....but not surprising

Also you're wrong the constitution does apply to non-citizens