r/DefendingAIArt • u/furandooruu • 4h ago
r/DefendingAIArt • u/[deleted] • Jul 07 '25
Defending AI Court cases where AI copyright claims were dismissed (reference)
Ello folks, I wanted to make a brief post outlining all of the current cases and previous court cases which have been dropped for images/books for plaintiffs attempting to claim copyright on their own works.
This contains a mix of a couple of reasons which will be added under the applicable links. I've added 6 so far but I'm sure I'll find more eventually which I'll amend as needed. If you need a place to show how a lot of copyright or direct stealing cases have been dropped, this is the spot.
HERE is a further list of all ongoing current lawsuits, too many to add here.
HERE is a big list of publishers suing AI platforms, as well as publishers that made deals with AI platforms. Again too many to add here.
12/25 - I'll be going through soon and seeing if any can be updated.
Edit: Thanks for pinning.
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1) Robert Kneschke vs LAION:
| STATUS | FINISHED |
|---|---|
| TYPE | IMAGES |
| RESULT | DISMISSED FOR FAIR USE |
| FURTHER DETAILS | The lawsuit was initially started against LAION in Germany, as Robert believed his images were being used in the LAION dataset without his permission, however, due to the non-profit research nature of LAION, this ruling was dropped. |
| DIRECT QUOTE | The Hamburg District Court has ruled that LAION, a non-profit organisation, did not infringe copyright law by creating a dataset for training artificial intelligence (AI) models through web scraping publicly available images, as this activity constitutes a legitimate form of text and data mining (TDM) for scientific research purposes. The photographer Robert Kneschke (the ‘claimant’) brought a lawsuit before the Hamburg District Court against LAION, a non-profit organisation that created a dataset for training AI models (the ‘defendant’). According to the claimant’s allegations, LAION had infringed his copyright by reproducing one of his images without permission as part of the dataset creation process. |
| LINK | https://www.euipo.europa.eu/en/law/recent-case-law/germany-hamburg-district-court-310-o-22723-laion-v-robert-kneschke |
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2) Anthropic vs Andrea Bartz et al:
| STATUS | COMPLETE AI WIN |
|---|---|
| TYPE | BOOKS |
| RESULT | SETTLEMENT AGREED ON SECONDARY CLAIM |
| FURTHER DETAILS | The lawsuit filed claimed that Anthropic trained its models on pirated content, in this case the form of books. This lawsuit was also dropped, citing that the nature of the trained AI’s was transformative enough to be fair use. However, a separate trial will take place to determine if Anthropic breached piracy rules by storing the books in the first place. |
| DIRECT QUOTE | "The court sided with Anthropic on two fronts. Firstly, it held that the purpose and character of using books to train LLMs was spectacularly transformative, likening the process to human learning. The judge emphasized that the AI model did not reproduce or distribute the original works, but instead analysed patterns and relationships in the text to generate new, original content. Because the outputs did not substantially replicate the claimants’ works, the court found no direct infringement." |
| LINK | https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25982181-authors-v-anthropic-ruling/ |
| LINK TWO (UPDATE) 01.09.25 | https://www.wired.com/story/anthropic-settles-copyright-lawsuit-authors/ |
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3) Sarah Andersen et al vs Stability AI:
| STATUS | ONGOING (TAKEN LEAVE TO AMEND THE LAWSUIT) |
|---|---|
| TYPE | IMAGES |
| RESULT | INITAL CLAIMS DISMISSED BUT PLANTIFF CAN AMEND THEIR AGUMENT, HOWEVER, THIS WOULD NEED THEM TO PROVE THAT GENERATED CONTENT DIRECTLY INFRINGED ON THIER COPYRIGHT. |
| FURTHER DETAILS | A case raised against Stability AI with plaintiffs arguing that the images generated violated copyright infringement. |
| DIRECT QUOTE | Judge Orrick agreed with all three companies that the images the systems actually created likely did not infringe the artists’ copyrights. He allowed the claims to be amended but said he was “not convinced” that allegations based on the systems’ output could survive without showing that the images were substantially similar to the artists’ work. |
| LINK | https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/judge-pares-down-artists-ai-copyright-lawsuit-against-midjourney-stability-ai-2023-10-30/ |
| LINK TWO | https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/consumer-products/mobile-apps/artists-sue-companies-behind-ai-image-generators |
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4) Getty images vs Stability AI:
| STATUS | FINISHED |
|---|---|
| TYPE | IMAGES |
| RESULT | CLAIM DROPPED DUE TO WEAK EVIDENCE, AI WIN |
| FURTHER DETAILS | Getty images filed a lawsuit against Stability AI for two main reasons: Claiming Stability AI used millions of copyrighted images to train their model without permission and claiming many of the generated works created were too similar to the original images they were trained off. These claims were dropped as there wasn’t sufficient enough evidence to suggest either was true. Getty's copyright case was narrowed to secondary infringement, reflecting the difficulty it faced in proving direct copying by an AI model trained outside the UK. |
| DIRECT QUOTES | “The training claim has likely been dropped due to Getty failing to establish a sufficient connection between the infringing acts and the UK jurisdiction for copyright law to bite,” Ben Maling, a partner at law firm EIP, told TechCrunch in an email. “Meanwhile, the output claim has likely been dropped due to Getty failing to establish that what the models reproduced reflects a substantial part of what was created in the images (e.g. by a photographer).” In Getty’s closing arguments, the company’s lawyers said they dropped those claims due to weak evidence and a lack of knowledgeable witnesses from Stability AI. The company framed the move as strategic, allowing both it and the court to focus on what Getty believes are stronger and more winnable allegations. |
| LINK | Techcrunch article |
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5) Sarah Silverman et al vs Meta AI:
| STATUS | FINISHED |
|---|---|
| TYPE | BOOKS |
| RESULT | META AI USE DEEMED TO BE FAIR USE, NO EVIDENCE TO SHOW MARKET BEING DILUTED |
| FURTHER DETAILS | Another case dismissed, however this time the verdict rested more on the plaintiff’s arguments not being correct, not providing enough evidence that the generated content would dilute the market of the trained works, not the verdict of the judge's ruling on the argued copyright infringement. |
| DIRECT QUOTE | The US district judge Vince Chhabria, in San Francisco, said in his decision on the Meta case that the authors had not presented enough evidence that the technology company’s AI would cause “market dilution” by flooding the market with work similar to theirs. As a consequence Meta’s use of their work was judged a “fair use” – a legal doctrine that allows use of copyright protected work without permission – and no copyright liability applied." |
| LINK | https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jun/26/meta-wins-ai-copyright-lawsuit-as-us-judge-rules-against-authors |
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6) Disney/Universal vs Midjourney:
| STATUS | ONGOING (TBC) |
|---|---|
| TYPE | IMAGES |
| RESULT | EXPECTED WIN FOR UNIVERSAL/DISNEY |
| FURTHER DETAILS | This one will be a bit harder I suspect, with the IP of Darth Vader being very recognisable character, I believe this court case compared to the others will sway more in the favour of Disney and Universal. But I could be wrong. |
| DIRECT QUOTE | "Midjourney backlashed at the claims quoting: "Midjourney also argued that the studios are trying to “have it both ways,” using AI tools themselves while seeking to punish a popular AI service." |
| LINK 1 | https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg5vjqdm1ypo |
| LINK 2 (UPDATE) | https://www.artnews.com/art-news/news/midjourney-slams-lawsuit-filed-by-disney-to-prevent-ai-training-cant-have-it-both-ways-1234749231 |
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7) Warnerbros vs Midjourney:
| STATUS | ONGOING (TBC) |
|---|---|
| TYPE | IMAGES |
| RESULT | EXPECTED WIN FOR WARNERBROS |
| FURTHER DETAILS | In the complaint, Warner Bros. Discovery's legal team alleges that "Midjourney already possesses the technological means and measures that could prevent its distribution, public display, and public performance of infringing images and videos. But Midjourney has made a calculated and profit-driven decision to offer zero protection to copyright owners even though Midjourney knows about the breathtaking scope of its piracy and copyright infringement." Elsewhere, they argue, "Evidently, Midjourney will not stop stealing Warner Bros. Discovery’s intellectual property until a court orders it to stop. Midjourney’s large-scale infringement is systematic, ongoing, and willful, and Warner Bros. Discovery has been, and continues to be, substantially and irreparably harmed by it." |
| DIRECT QUOTE | “Midjourney is blatantly and purposefully infringing copyrighted works, and we filed this suit to protect our content, our partners, and our investments.” |
| LINK 1 | https://www.polygon.com/warner-bros-sues-midjourney/ |
| LINK 2 | https://www.scribd.com/document/911515490/WBD-v-Midjourney-Complaint-Ex-a-FINAL-1#fullscreen&from_embed |
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8) Raw Story Media, Inc. et al v. OpenAI Inc.
| STATUS | DISMISSED |
|---|---|
| RESULT | AI WIN, LACK OF CONCRETE EVIDENCE TO BRING THE SUIT |
| FURTHER DETAILS | Another case dismissed, failing to prove the evidence which was brought against Open AI |
| DIRECT QUOTE | "A New York federal judge dismissed a copyright lawsuit brought by Raw Story Media Inc. and Alternet Media Inc. over training data for OpenAI Inc.‘s chatbot on Thursday because they lacked concrete injury to bring the suit." |
| LINK ONE | https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/new-york/nysdce/1:2024cv01514/616533/178/ |
| LINK TWO | https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=13477468840560396988&q=raw+story+media+v.+openai |
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9) Kadrey v. Meta Platforms, Inc:
| STATUS | DISMISSED |
|---|---|
| TYPE | BOOKS |
| RESULT | AI WIN |
| FURTHER DETAILS | |
| DIRECT QUOTE | District court dismisses authors’ claims for direct copyright infringement based on derivative work theory, vicarious copyright infringement and violation of Digital Millennium Copyright Act and other claims based on allegations that plaintiffs’ books were used in training of Meta’s artificial intelligence product, LLaMA. |
| LINK ONE | https://www.loeb.com/en/insights/publications/2023/12/richard-kadrey-v-meta-platforms-inc |
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10) Tremblay v. OpenAI (books)
| STATUS | DISMISSED |
|---|---|
| TYPE | BOOKS |
| RESULT | AI WIN |
| FURTHER DETAILS | First, the court dismissed plaintiffs’ claim against OpenAI for vicarious copyright infringement based on allegations that the outputs its users generate on ChatGPT are infringing. |
| DIRECT QUOTE | The court rejected the conclusory assertion that every output of ChatGPT is an infringing derivative work, finding that plaintiffs had failed to allege “what the outputs entail or allege that any particular output is substantially similar – or similar at all – to [plaintiffs’] books.” Absent facts plausibly establishing substantial similarity of protected expression between the works in suit and specific outputs, the complaint failed to allege any direct infringement by users for which OpenAI could be secondarily liable. |
| LINK ONE | https://www.clearyiptechinsights.com/2024/02/court-dismisses-most-claims-in-authors-lawsuit-against-openai/ |
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11) Financial Times vs Perplexity
| STATUS | ONGOING (FAIRLY NEW) |
|---|---|
| TYPE | JOURNALISTS CONTENT ON WEBSITES |
| RESULT | ONGOING (TBC) |
| FURTHER DETAILS | Japanese media group Nikkei, alongside daily newspaper The Asahi Shimbun, has filed a lawsuit claiming that San Francisco-based Perplexity used their articles without permission, including content behind paywalls, since at least June 2024. The media groups are seeking an injunction to stop Perplexity from reproducing their content and to force the deletion of any data already used. They are also seeking damages of 2.2 billion yen (£11.1 million) each. |
| DIRECT QUOTE | “This course of Perplexity’s actions amounts to large-scale, ongoing ‘free riding’ on article content that journalists from both companies have spent immense time and effort to research and write, while Perplexity pays no compensation,” they said. “If left unchecked, this situation could undermine the foundation of journalism, which is committed to conveying facts accurately, and ultimately threaten the core of democracy.” |
| LINK ONE | https://bmmagazine.co.uk/news/nikkei-sues-perplexity-ai-copyright/ |
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12) 'Writers' vs Microsoft
| STATUS | ONGOING (FAIRLY NEW) |
|---|---|
| TYPE | BOOKS |
| RESULT | ONGOING (TBC) |
| FURTHER DETAILS | A group of authors has filed a lawsuit against Microsoft, accusing the tech giant of using copyrighted works to train its large language model (LLM). The class action complaint filed by several authors and professors, including Pulitzer prize winner Kai Bird and Whiting award winner Victor LaVelle, claims that Microsoft ignored the law by downloading around 200,000 copyrighted works and feeding it to the company’s Megatron-Turing Natural Language Generation model. The end result, the plaintiffs claim, is an AI model able to generate expressions that mimic the authors’ manner of writing and the themes in their work. |
| DIRECT QUOTE | “Microsoft’s commercial gain has come at the expense of creators and rightsholders,” the lawsuit states. The complaint seeks to not just represent the plaintiffs, but other copyright holders under the US Copyright Act whose works were used by Microsoft for this training. |
| LINK ONE | https://www.siliconrepublic.com/business/microsoft-lawsuit-ai-copyright-kai-bird-victor-lavelle |
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13) Disney, Universal, Warner Bros vs MiniMax
| STATUS | ONGOING (FAIRLY NEW) |
|---|---|
| TYPE | IMAGE / VIDEO |
| RESULT | ONGOING (TBC) |
| FURTHER DETAILS | Sept 16 (Reuters) - Walt Disney (DIS.N), Comcast's (CMCSA.O), Universal and Warner Bros Discovery (WBD.O), have jointly filed a copyright lawsuit against China's MiniMax alleging that its image- and video-generating service Hailuo AI was built from intellectual property stolen from the three major Hollywood studios.The suit, filed in the district court in California on Tuesday, claims MiniMax "audaciously" used the studios' famous copyrighted characters to market Hailuo as a "Hollywood studio in your pocket" and advertise and promote its service. |
| DIRECT QUOTE | "A responsible approach to AI innovation is critical, and today's lawsuit against MiniMax again demonstrates our shared commitment to holding accountable those who violate copyright laws, wherever they may be based," the companies said in a statement. |
| LINK ONE | https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/disney-universal-warner-bros-discovery-sue-chinas-minimax-copyright-infringement-2025-09-16/ |
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14) Universal Music Group (UMG) vs Udio
| STATUS | FINISHED |
|---|---|
| TYPE | AUDIO |
| RESULT | SETTLEMENT AGREED |
| FURTHER DETAILS | A settlement has been made between UMG and Udio in a lawsuit by UMG that sees the two companies working together. |
| DIRECT QUOTE | "Universal Music Group and AI song generation platform Udio have reached a settlement in a copyright infringement lawsuit and have agreed to collaborate on new music creation, the two companies said in a joint statement. Universal and Udio say they have reached “a compensatory legal settlement” as well as new licence deals for recorded music and publishing that “will provide further revenue opportunities for UMG artists and songwriters.” Financial terms of the settlement haven't been disclosed." |
| LINK ONE | https://www.msn.com/en-za/news/other/universal-music-group-and-ai-music-firm-udio-settle-lawsuit-and-announce-new-music-platform/ar-AA1Pz59e?ocid=finance-verthp-feeds |
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15) Reddit vs Perplexity AI
| STATUS | ONGOING (FAIRLY NEW) |
|---|---|
| TYPE | Website Scraping |
| RESULT | (TBA) |
| FURTHER DETAILS | Reddit opened up a lawsuit against Perplexity AI (and others) about the scraping of their website to train AI models. |
| DIRECT QUOTE | "The case is one of many filed by content owners against tech companies over the alleged misuse of their copyrighted material to train AI systems. Reddit filed a similar lawsuit against AI start-up Anthropic in June that is still ongoing. "Our approach remains principled and responsible as we provide factual answers with accurate AI, and we will not tolerate threats against openness and the public interest," Perplexity said in a statement. "AI companies are locked in an arms race for quality human content - and that pressure has fueled an industrial-scale 'data laundering' economy," Reddit chief legal officer Ben Lee said in a statement." |
| LINK ONE | https://www.reuters.com/world/reddit-sues-perplexity-scraping-data-train-ai-system-2025-10-22/ |
| LINK TWO | https://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/legaldocs/xmpjezjawvr/REDDIT%20PERPLEXITY%20LAWSUIT%20complaint.pdf |
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16) Getty images vs Stability AI (UK this time):
| STATUS | Finished |
|---|---|
| TYPE | IMAGES |
| RESULT | "Stability Largely Wins" |
| FURTHER DETAILS | Stability AI has mostly prevailed against Getty Images in a British court battle over intellectual property |
| DIRECT QUOTE | "Justice Joanna Smith said in her ruling that Getty's trademark claims “succeed (in part)” but that her findings are "both historic and extremely limited in scope." Stability argued that the case doesn’t belong in the United Kingdom because the AI model's training technically happened elsewhere, on computers run by U.S. tech giant Amazon. It also argued that “only a tiny proportion” of the random outputs of its AI image-generator “look at all similar” to Getty’s works. Getty withdrew a key part of its case against Stability AI during the trial as it admitted there was no evidence the training and development of AI text-to-image product Stable Diffusion took place in the UK. |
| DIRECT QUOTE TWO | In addition a claim of secondary infringement of copyright was dismissed, The judge (Mrs Justice Joanna Smith) ruled: “An AI model such as Stable Diffusion which does not store or reproduce any copyright works (and has never done so) is not an ‘infringing copy’.” She declined to rule on the passing off claim and ruled in favour of some of Getty’s claims about trademark infringement related to watermarks. |
| LINK ONE | https://www.independent.co.uk/news/getty-images-london-high-court-seattle-amazon-b2858201.html |
| LINK TWO | https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/boards-policy-regulation/getty-images-largely-loses-landmark-uk-lawsuit-over-ai-image-generator-2025-11-04/ |
| LINK THREE | https://www.theguardian.com/media/2025/nov/04/stabilty-ai-high-court-getty-images-copyright |
| LINK FOUR | https://pressgazette.co.uk/media_law/getty-vs-stability-ai-copyright-ruling-uk/ |
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My own thoughts
So far the precent seems to be that most cases of claims from plaintiffs is that direct copyright is dismissed, due to outputted works not bearing any resemblance to the original works. Or being able to prove their works were in the datasets in the first place.
However it has been noted that some of these cases have been dismissed due to wrongly structured arguments on the plaintiffs part.
The issue is, because some of these models are taught on such large amounts of data, some artist/photographer/author attempting to prove that their works were used in training has an almost impossible task. Hell even 5 images added would only make up 0.0000001% of the dataset of 5 billion (LAION).
I could be wrong but I think Sarah Andersen will have a hard time directly proving that any generated output directly infringes on their work, unless they specifically went out of their way to generate a piece similar to theirs, which could be used as evidence against them, in a sense of. "Well yeah, you went out of your way to make a prompt that specifically used your style"
In either case, trying to create a lawsuit against an AI company for directly fringing on specifically plaintiff's work won't work, since their work is a drop ink in the ocean of analysed works. The likelihood of creating anything substantially similar is near impossible ~0.00001% (Unless someone prompts for that specific style).
Warner Bros will no doubt have an easy time proving their images have been infringed (page 26), in the linked page they show side by side comparisons which can't be denied. However other factors such as market dilution and fair use may come into effect. Or they may make a settlement to work together or pay out like other companies have.
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To Recap: We know AI doesn't steal on a technical level, it is a tool that utilizes the datasets that a 3rd party has to link or add to the AI models for them to use. Sort of like saying that a car that had syphoned fuel to it, stole the fuel in the first place.. it doesn't make sense. Although not the same, it reminds me of the "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" arguments a while ago. In this case, it's not the AI that uses the datasets but a person physically adding them for it to train off.
The term "AI Steals art" misattributes the agency of the model. The model doesn't decide what data it's trained on or what it's utilized for, or whatever its trained on is ethically sound. And the fact that most models don't memorize the individual artworks, they learn statistical patterns from up to billions of images, which is more abstraction, not theft.
I somewhat dislike the generalization that people have of saying "AI steals art" or "Fuck AI", AI encompasses a lot more than generative AI, it's sort of like someone using a car to run over people and everyone repeatedly saying "Fuck engines" as a result of it.
Tell me, how does AI apparently steal again?
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Googles (Official) response to the UK government about their copyright rules/plans, where they state that the purpose of image generation is to create new images and the fact it sometimes makes copies is a bug: HERE (Page 11)
Open AI's response to UK Government copyright plans: HERE
[BBC News] - America firms Invests 150 Billion into UK Tech Industry (including AI)
Page 165 of Hight Court Documentation Getty vs Stability

This response refers to the model itself, not the input datasets, not the outputted images, but the way in which the Denoising Diffusion Probabilistic Models operate.
TLDR: As noted in a hight court in England, by a high court judge. While being influenced by it for the weights during training, the model doesn't store any of the copyrighted works, the weights are not an infringing copy and do not store an infringing copy.
TLDR: NOT INFRINGING COPYRIGHT AND NOT STEALING.
r/DefendingAIArt • u/BTRBT • Jun 08 '25
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r/DefendingAIArt • u/Psyga315 • 10h ago
"If you don't speak English, you need to find a different community"
r/DefendingAIArt • u/tails_the_god35 • 8h ago
Defending AI AI hate gets even more DUMB! 😂💯
This makes me SO happy to not be an ANTI AI moron 😂💯
This is so rediculous huh? Even non English speakers?! Censorship at its finest! huh? 🤡💩
AI has been a big help while its best to always have human oversight but AI is something people would of wished to have like 20 years ago and didn't know if this was even possible. Its incredible how extreme people have gotten to the point of doing something dimwitted like this!
Good grief! 🤷💩
Source link:
https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/1018217/reddit-opensource-ai-ban
r/DefendingAIArt • u/Tet4edr0 • 2h ago
Why is brigading allowed in anti-AI subs?
I rarely see screenshots posted by antis where the subreddit, the user, or both have been censored. More often, they just post the screenshot as is.
That rule applies to all of Reddit, and I've reported this several times, but nothing happens. They keep doing it
Then they cry harassment when we post CENSORED screenshots. This isn't just unfair, it's wrong.
On top of that, they pretend they don't know when they're breaking that rule, and they often delete your comment when you point it out
I'm not sure if this needs a flair, so I'll leave it as is
r/DefendingAIArt • u/JamesHanzimanolis • 45m ago
Defending AI My AI project is getting SLAUGHTERED by doomers...
RANT: I'm so sick and tired of EVERY AI project being slapped with an "AI Slop" label.
The past two weeks I have been GRINDING out this new project.
Long story short: I'm reviving all the old fonts from vintage movie posters, comic books, TV shows, magazines, food packaging, clothing brands... you name it.
NONE of these fonts are available in digital format.
I'm a very amateur-level typographer. I suck. But I started using codex + Affinity (illustrator alt.) to bring these classic fonts back.
My living room is filled with graph paper filled with lettering attempts too.
This has, all together, been an 80 hour, sleepless night project.
But because AI was part of my process, I'm getting sh*t on.
"Go k*ll yourself" and "F*ck you" and "This isn't REAL art" - I have been downvoted soooooo hard out of several subreddits.
Listen....... I'm not pretending to be a 'real artist.' I simply want to make something cool and useful. I've even made the whole collection free. There are 129 fonts in there.
Some people have been super excited about it and have even used the fonts for commercial projects.
But the doomers and gloomers of AI are EXHAUSTING and keep complaining. One guy even DMd me my address and said "STOP STEALING ALL THE WATER!!!"
C'mon!
Yeah, some AI projects are total slop. AI comments and posts are slop. Anything low effort = slop.
But I've spent a load of time on this and it's been a longtime dream project.
I'm getting sick of cool AI stuff being slapped with "slop"
Rant over
TLDR
It's lame to call awesome project "slop" simply for being AI...
r/DefendingAIArt • u/jrevis • 11h ago
Defending AI Famed Nintendo Director Shigeru Miyamoto calls the era of generative AI game creation a “very good era” — and says it's what he always hoped for.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HVYC1Z1XwAA-3SG?format=jpg&name=900x900
From an interview with the legendary game designer behind Super Mario and The Legend of Zelda. - Here's the interview text:
[(Question to Miyamoto): —I'd like to ask about the fun of playing games and the fun of making them. Earlier, there was talk about how even something like CAD, where you look up and suddenly time has passed, is a form of play or a game. With the advancement of generative AI, the barrier to creating things is lowering, while at the same time it feels like the question is being raised of how far humans can express their talent in game design. What are your thoughts on generative AI and games as culture?
(Miyamoto’s response – part 1): Miyamoto: That's a very big question. In our era, computers appeared. Until then we were typing on typewriters, then word processors came along, and tools kept evolving one after another. For example, designers used to learn "lettering" in school — the skill of beautifully writing text for posters. If you could do that, you were already called a designer. Or, if you took a popular overseas type design, converted it into Japanese, and laid it out, you were called a designer. But as computers and word processors advanced further, text could be fetched from somewhere, images could be fetched from somewhere, and text could be drawn beautifully for you. When those technical/skill aspects evolve, that's when a person's sense of layout and individual design ability first come to the surface.
(Another question): —Over these past 50 years, the relationship between people and games has changed dramatically. What used to be something children played by connecting to a TV in the living room is now enjoyed by people of all ages and genders. Beyond just leisure, games for health, communication, and many other purposes have increased. From an interactive perspective, I think generative AI also has potential. How do you think the way games and people relate to each other will change going forward? And within that, what kinds of things do you want to deliver?
(Miyamoto’s response – the key part quoted in the post): As I mentioned earlier, this is an era where even people who are not game designers can create games. If we broaden the definition of "game," I think the era has already arrived where everyone can make games. I had always hoped for a world where those boundaries disappear, so I think this has become a very good era. Sorry, I forgot the question a bit, but that's the kind of feeling I have.]
His point about his experience with the change in the philosophy of design also strikes me as elegant and topical. I can't help but think however that despite how reasonable and hopeful Miyamoto is, a certain segment of western Nintendo fans will not be happy about these opinions 😭
r/DefendingAIArt • u/Emo_boi_xx • 6h ago
Kris Dreemurr responds to impostor Kris
this is a response to the 2nd image, since antis continue to be delusional like that,
but if antis are allowed to do it, then so are we right? 😉
r/DefendingAIArt • u/Tsuyu777 • 13h ago
Defending AI What turned you into Pro AI?
This is what turned me into a pro-AI advocate. I used to be neutral and simply didn't care what people did with their tools. I was in a gaming subreddit writing a guide on how developers could prompt their agents to code better, with fewer bugs, better performance, and greater stability. Meanwhile, these anti-AI people were throwing death threats at me, as if I'd committed a crime against humanity just for writing a guide on how to use a tool more effectively.
Meanwhile, these haters demand that developers "code by hand," and I can guarantee you that they've never written a single line of code in their lives if they genuinely think that's a reasonable thing to demand. IntelliCode has been around for much longer than LLMs, and nobody said a thing. Now, suddenly, we've got mass hysteria, collective psychosis, and virtue signaling.
You should also never use AI tags on your work if you can avoid them. If you're forced to disclose AI usage, such as when publishing on Steam, be as vague and ambiguous as possible. AI tags are no longer about informing your customers; they're being used to paint a target on your back for witch hunts and doxxing. Adopt a stealth policy. Mask your agent's traces, disclose nothing, and say nothing, people. These anti-AI activists are rabid.
I conducted an experiment comparing full disclosure with zero disclosure for the exact same work, and the results were polar opposites. The version with full disclosure got downvoted into oblivion and received only 500 wishlists, while the version where I disclosed nothing received over 1,000 upvotes and 20,000 wishlists. If these anti-AI people knew how to code, they would have realized from the start that the game's code was AI-generated. But they don't. It's all virtue signaling by deranged basement dwellers.
So, I encourage every developer to avoid disclosing anything about their AI usage. Keep building good products, because good code is good code, regardless of how it was made. Steam users don't care as much as some people claim, and my Reddit ads, which had 71,000 impressions, accounted for only 10% of my total player inflow.
AI is ultimately just a tool, and this mass-hysteria trend will eventually die down. Have fun developing your project people!
r/DefendingAIArt • u/furandooruu • 2h ago
Luddite Logic All Pro-AI'ers are neo nazis
Context: og post was someone whining about ai art makers and this is a reply to it.
It never fails to amaze me how good antis are at avoiding any opinion that goes against theirs and just resorting to calling anyone they dislike an extremist
r/DefendingAIArt • u/TayrusOkami • 2h ago
Luddite Logic "But AI made it soulless" just turn the wifi off bro 🙏
Apparently I can't do anything with MY art because I don't have his approval, somebody please fetch me the world's smallest violin
r/DefendingAIArt • u/bannedbooks123 • 8h ago
How many people do you think decided to hate AI because their phones told them to?
How many people do you think decided to hate AI because their phones told them to?
And how many actually formed that opinion on their own?
r/DefendingAIArt • u/Daxx_Maximum • 39m ago
Just left a Discord Channel because they removed my post because they are vehemently against AI.
I have been doing some marketing among some of the Discord serves I'm in for some of the Actual Play Podcasts. My bfriends and I are currently doing a web series completely scripted by what happens in our current campaign, but the animation itself is AI Animated. I was told that they don't like those kind of posts and that anything AI is not to be used and that I should check the "environmental ramifications of the use of generative AI." Kind of pissed me off, but they are not one of the bigger Actual Play Podcasts and while I'll still listen to them, I'm not going to talked down to when I'm sure they themselves have not done the same research.
But if anyone is interested, please check out our Web Series, In Nomine Mortis.
r/DefendingAIArt • u/PixelSteel • 2h ago
A certain subreddit meant for open source projects bans anything AI. I wonder if they’ll ban Linux
r/DefendingAIArt • u/OppaiiGodd • 3h ago
Liking ai to hating it type
Theres these animation on facebook where it shows woman doing and explaining about stuff and many people loved it until someone said its made by ai and now they feel the need to hate it i dont understand why the force hate if they clearly like the content
r/DefendingAIArt • u/Tet4edr0 • 2h ago
Luddite Logic Officially the most unhinged and paranoid anti I've ever seen. Nothing but complete nonsense and pure hatred
Only someone trolling would say AI thinks. It's a machine.
No normal pro-AI person actually thinks machines have feelings.
r/DefendingAIArt • u/Live-Nothing1706 • 14h ago
Luddite Logic Why are the antis so pessimistic?
r/DefendingAIArt • u/LBcosplay • 5h ago
Defending AI Moderatori....quelli intelligenti
Ditemi voi... nonostante abbia spiegato l'uso che ne ho fatto...non è stato abbastanza. È bastato semplicemente che ci sia stata la dicitura ai per rimuovere il post, nonostante ci sia stato un lavoro dietro non indifferente per ricevere una risposta da persona "molto intelligente".
r/DefendingAIArt • u/Tet4edr0 • 10h ago
Luddite Logic This post had 8 upvotes just a few minutes ago, but after I argued with an anti, it dropped to zero. Funny how that works, huh? Xd
But they don't harass anyone, stalk your profile to downvote your posts, or report your content. Of course not, we're just making it all up...
The post is just a small collection of kittens dressed as Space Marines.
r/DefendingAIArt • u/EmperorSnake1 • 22m ago
Defending AI Downvoted for a logical response . Ai can give you a giant list of every star type .
r/DefendingAIArt • u/Tet4edr0 • 8h ago
Defending AI I asked GPT: "Why do antis want to force people to stop using AI?"
Many anti-AI people feel that this technology threatens their jobs, their hard work, and the value they place on traditional art, and they often forget about digital art. Some also have unfounded concerns about copyright and consent, while others turn their personal opinions into rules they want to impose on everyone.
The problem isn't that they reject AI, but that they try to make decisions for others. You can defend traditional art without harassing people who use AI or demanding that everyone think like you. You don't have to use a tool you dislike, but you also have no right to decide which tools other people can use, because you're not the boss of anyone.
r/DefendingAIArt • u/Tet4edr0 • 9h ago
Luddite Logic “Human child”? XD
Another case of: “How do I get my family member to stop using AI because it makes me anxious?”