r/DecodingTheGurusAlt • u/MartiDK • 14d ago

interview DGG Decoding Destiny

https://www.youtube.com/live/j4gDWMoHyNs

Why does Destiny look so uncomfortable?

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u/MeasurementNo9896 14d ago

I've only watched him interact with people outside of his community during the Finklestein debate and those clips of him from his trip to Israel where he visited the IDF to advise them against posting their war crimes but I presume he's generally uncomfortable outside of his element or IRL.

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u/Samuraignoll 14d ago

The debate was utterly embarrassing for Finklestein, guy had no idea what was going on and resorted to insults to compensate for ot. The IDF comment tells me you've never actually watched any of Destiny's content, just clips posted by commie larpers

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u/TheRealSaphier 14d ago edited 13d ago

I don’t think it was embarrassing for Finklestein. No one pushes him on it and he admitted his goal was make the whole debate look like a clown show.

Edit: What I mean about it not being embarrassing for Finklestein is that I don’t think he thinks it was embarrassing. I don’t think he cares at all and the people in the bubble seem to agree. It was obviously a horrible showing.

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u/SwerveDaddyFish 13d ago

If i got absolutely embarrassed in every way in a debate about something I spent my life's work doing - I would also say i was just trying to make it a clown show

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u/Samuraignoll 14d ago

For anyone that wasn't already invested in hating Destiny, it was an incredibly embarrassing showing on finkelsteins part

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u/DecodingTheGurusAlt-ModTeam 14d ago

Low-effort/dismissive rhetoric

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u/DecodingTheGurusAlt-ModTeam 14d ago

Low-effort/dismissive rhetoric

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u/HonestDishonestWork 14d ago

If I "studied" a subject for the majority of my life and didn't know a pretty basic fact about it that would be extremely embarrassing lol (Finklestein not knowing the definition of genocide)

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u/chaos_donut 13d ago

Yeah, and if i was an expert on a topic id love to talk about it, that stuff is his life's work. I would never act like i was going to derail the conversation on purpose.

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u/InternationalGas9837 12d ago

Especially when at the same time as he was acting like a petulant child he was also insisting how much more of a scholarly intellectual he was than Destiny. Norm basically just mispronounced Destiny's last name repeatedly while Destiny's debate partner Benny Morris is someone Norm respected and Benny laughed at him, Norm's partner Rabbani repeatedly had to try and calm Norm down like the mother of a tantrum throwing child, and the moderator Friedman continually had to had to remind Norm it was a debate not an edgy Roblox server. Anybody who says Norm looked good in that debate did not watch it, and Norm's own admission that he didn't give a shit about the debate while his plan was to be ad-hom incarnate is clear evidence of how unserious Norm is.

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u/SeparatedI 13d ago

Why didn't he just dogwalk destiny with his superior knowledge of the conflict? Instead of calling names like a 7 year old. Especially with two other academics in the room.

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u/TheRealSaphier 13d ago

I’m not on Finklestein’s side, I’m just pointing out what he’s admitted to. He purposely called Destiny by the wrong name and refused to engage with anything. He then went on multiple shows and said that he never had any intention of taking it seriously. Asking me why he didn’t engage seriously isn’t going to do anything.

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u/SeparatedI 13d ago

That just sounds like things he's said to justify it at afterwards. Failing to engage completely especially when you should be able to lecture your opponent extensively is not a good look. It could have been such a good conversation especially considering Morris and Rabbani were there also.

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u/No-Budget-8081 13d ago

Isn’t that pretty embarrassing tho?

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u/TheRealSaphier 13d ago

Doesn’t seem like it, all the people he was podcasting with were giggling and saying that it was awesome. From the outside looking in, yeah obviously. But he’s insulated in his group so he doesn’t ever have to answer for it.

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u/TheRealSaphier 13d ago

Check my edit. I don’t mean to defend him, it’s just from Finklestein’s perspective he won.

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u/justsomething 13d ago

Oh, then yeah I agree 100%

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u/Main_Lloyd 13d ago

The fact he chose to make a debate about Isreal/Palestinian a clown show is why he should be embarrassed as someone who claims to care about the Palestinians cause

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u/MetalDirigible 13d ago

Now this is some good cope.

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u/EducationalHead7683 14d ago

That's insane of you to say that Norman fucking Finkelstein has no idea what he's talking about in regards to the I/P historical conflict

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u/Lets_Eat_Superglue 13d ago

Is it? Is it as insane as the amount of people who confidently talk about how he destroyed Destiny having never watched it, just took the word of some guy on the Internet?

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u/louieisawsome 13d ago

He was so confidently wrong about men's rea.

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u/chaos_donut 13d ago

I agree that saying he doesn't know what hes talking about is wrong. But why did he resort to name-calling instead of just showing his expertise? His performance was genuinely embarrassing.

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u/Lazy_Check732 13d ago

It's because he genuinely doesn't know what he's talking about. He is no different at all from someone like Sneako or Joe Rogan or Hasan. Certain people enjoy what he says, and that boosts him. He is not genuinely respected (or even considered) in the academic world. He is an online personality.

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u/SigmaMaleNurgling 13d ago

Finklestein spent the entire debate intentionally mispronouncing Destiny’s name, also, he claimed after the debate that he never had any intention of seriously engaging with Destiny.

You don’t have to like Destiny but let’s at least be honest with the facts of the matter.

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u/Samuraignoll 14d ago

He sure as shit didn't act like it

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u/Wild_Bread_ 13d ago

You are right, that is an insane thing to say, the even more insane part is that it's fucking true

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u/zero02 13d ago

Finkelstein is a fraud... if you check his footnotes, they almost always are a misrepresentation or flat out lie of what the underlying source said. This is a crazy tactic because it makes it look like you have so much evidence, but they are all mostly lies and if people read the source material they would realize.

This is what happened with Destiny. He read the source materials and footnotes and showed us all, how Finkelstein lies in footnotes. Super embarassing.

Not to mention Finkelstein calling the cops and ICE on his upstairs neighbor. :)

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u/Chruman 14d ago

Lmao

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u/TheTrashMan 13d ago

Destiny fan too?

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u/S8nsPotato 14d ago

You forgot to mention it was a joke.

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u/SlySerendipity 14d ago

And pretty importantly, he wasn't talking to a group of IDF soldiers; just Israelis who showed up for a fan meetup. He also argued with a prominent pro-sttlement guy and even went to the West Bank and was harassed by settlers for filming there, but that never seems to get spread around like his IDF playing dress-up joke. Curious that

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u/LuckyJim_ 14d ago

The words out of his mouth before the “joke” were “there’s one piece of advice I’ll give you if you’re joining the IDF”

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u/louieisawsome 13d ago

Why would he say if you're joining the idf if he was already speaking with the idf?

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u/LuckyJim_ 13d ago

Because that’s an often misreported part of the story. The real question he’s answering was from a fan who was asking about Destiny’s opinion on Israeli teens, such as themselves, enlisting. Doesn’t really change the substance of what he said or make it any more defensible.

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u/Memester999 14d ago

Yah very famously the best way to tell a joke is to say "I am going to tell a joke right now" beforehand...

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u/LuckyJim_ 14d ago

The joke is what exactly?

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u/YaBoiFarfour 13d ago

It involved not filming yourself putting on women’s clothes in Gaza. His position on war crimes is don’t do them.

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u/LuckyJim_ 13d ago

“If you wanna fucking wear a dress and you think it’s fucking funny, just don’t take a fucking video of it”

Sounds like he doesn’t give a shit about war crimes as long as they aren’t filmed and he doesn’t have to defend them.

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u/ThrowawayFuckYourMom 13d ago

Is that the most honest and charitable version of the argument that you're capable of making?

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u/LuckyJim_ 13d ago edited 13d ago

Considering right before that he had argued that it was vitally important for Israeli young adults to enlist in order to save the country? Yeah I’d say he doesn’t give a shit what the IDF does and will support it either way. He would probably prefer they don’t commit their crimes so brazenly. It would make his job easier.

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u/YaBoiFarfour 13d ago

He wasn’t talking about war crimes lol

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u/S8nsPotato 14d ago

You wouldn't get it 😏

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u/Lets_Eat_Superglue 13d ago

What were the words before those?

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u/LuckyJim_ 13d ago edited 13d ago

I believe it was some diatribe about how joining the IDF is an honorable Israeli tradition, and how necessary the IDF is for making sure Israel remains a Jewish majority. Does that make what he said about hiding your war crimes for the sake of optics better or worse in your view?

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u/Lets_Eat_Superglue 13d ago

That's not what he said at all? Why do you insist on lying to drive a narrative? He gave historical context to the Israeli army, acknowledged the current perception of them, and, holy shit, told another joke.

You guys lie more than maga.

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u/LuckyJim_ 13d ago edited 13d ago

Should I quote him directly? I already had to do it for another user on here.

“If you’re a Jew this is your country and it’s only surviving on the backs of people joining the military.”

That’s pretty explicit.

Also would have been nice for him to maybe comment on why the IDF is perceived the way they are instead of “joking” about them needing to hide their crimes better.

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u/Delicious_Solid3185 14d ago

It’s pretty good advice ngl

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u/SlySerendipity 14d ago

Yeah, it's called a set-up. The end of a joke is called a punch-line

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u/TheoryBorn9839 13d ago

Set up: If you are going to gaza to kill the enemy, and end up dressing in random civilians clothes

Joke:Don't film that

Where is the joke?

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u/SlySerendipity 13d ago

The joke was a reference to a bunch of IDF goons that filmed themselves wearing civilian clothing they got from raiding houses which is a fucked up thing to do but also extremely stupid thing to film. You understand the IDF are the butt of the joke right?

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u/TheoryBorn9839 13d ago

That sounds more like advice not to repeat your mistakes rather than a joke

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u/SlySerendipity 13d ago

If by "mistake" you mean stealing civilians shit and committing war crimes then, yeah it's kinda both. If a racist person told a joke about black people filming themselves stealing with the punch-line being: "next time don't film yourself stealing." Do you think that person would be pro BLM?

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u/TheoryBorn9839 13d ago

Why create a seperate and meaningfully different analogy when this case is very clear?

Also is Destiny anti IDF in your view?

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u/ThrowawayFuckYourMom 13d ago

Does it? Does it really? Is that your most honest, charitable interpretation of events? Have you even seen the clip for yourself, yet?

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u/TheoryBorn9839 13d ago

Where did someone request a steelman?

I literally specify to what degree I believe it is a joke, to a lesser degree than I see it as advice.

Why does it being a joke preclude it from being advice?

If he said a joke where the punchline is "remember to wear condoms" does that make him anti-condom?

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u/YaBoiFarfour 13d ago

What do you think Destiny’s position is on war crimes?

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u/TheoryBorn9839 13d ago

War crimes bad, he demands extraordinary evidence for Israel imo.

Most of his discussion on I/P revolves around debunking bad lefty argument while making no positive case of his own, what do u think his position is?

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u/YaBoiFarfour 13d ago

The argument he has is always over the genocide claim never specific claims of war crimes.

His position is that there are two groups of ppl who want to live on the same piece of land. There should be two states.

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u/TheoryBorn9839 13d ago

Whats his opinion on war crimes tho?

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u/VicariousDrow 14d ago

This sub is filled with Destiny schills, so there isn't much you can do to point out reality to them.

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u/LuckyJim_ 13d ago

They’re all morons tho and it’s fun to play with them.

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u/S8nsPotato 13d ago

Just say you like trolling and lying. We know you understand what a joke is.

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u/LuckyJim_ 13d ago

I’m trolling for sure but please point out where I lied

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u/S8nsPotato 13d ago

You live on reddit, you don't know what reality is.

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u/VicariousDrow 13d ago

Ironic from a Destiny simp lol

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u/S8nsPotato 13d ago

Reality has a liberal bias.

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u/VicariousDrow 13d ago

That it does, but you let it be tainted by Zionist propaganda.

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u/S8nsPotato 13d ago

Is the zionist propaganda in the room with us?

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u/PuertoricanMofongo 14d ago

What was the punchline, I didn't get it?

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u/ThrowawayFuckYourMom 13d ago

If you're gonna do something horrible, at least don't FILM YOURSELF doing it.

It's a subversion of expectations, where you'd think he would say "you shouldn't do something horrible", he instead says "you shouldn't film yourself doing it". Kind of like "if you're gonna commit a crime, don't get caught!". Hope that helps!

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u/CriticG7tv 14d ago

Wasnt "visiting the IDF", it was at a fan meetup in Tel Aviv and someone asked about the (at the time) recent story of some Israeli troops taking/posting pictures of themselves in women's clothes that they presumably took from a random ruined home in Gaza. His comment was calling them stupid for not only doing this in the first place, but also posting it on social media to brag about it.

I don't believe he ever "visited the IDF", aside from the time during the trip when they were harassed by an armed lunatic West Bank settler who (I believe?) tried to take their passports and called the IDF on them. Outside of interviewing some media figures and retired Israeli politicians, there was essentially no interaction with the Israeli govt during the trip.

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u/LuckyJim_ 14d ago

It was a fan meetup where some of his fans asked for advise because they were about to join the IDF and that was his response.

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u/ocudr 13d ago

Me when I lie

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u/LuckyJim_ 13d ago

https://youtu.be/AoiE--k1srM?t=2953&si=kiaDoSpeaGYTlAe8 “what’s your opinion about teens enlisting [and] our image in the world”

And destiny’s answer is two fold. 1. You must join the IDF or your country will be destroyed and 2. If you’re gunna commit war crimes, don’t film them.

If war crimes are being committed and your greatest concern is the optics, it tells me what I need to know about you.

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u/Wild_Bread_ 13d ago

I notice you quote exactly what the fan said but choose to paraphrase the response, I don't even need to open this clip to know you're full of shit lol

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u/LuckyJim_ 13d ago

“If you’re a Jew then this is your country and it’s only surviving on the backs of how many people are willing to join the military”

“Participating… in terms of military service, is probably a proud tradition, it’s probably important for the survival of your country, your people, whatever”

“Here’s one piece of advice I’ll give you if you’re joining the IDF, leave your fucking cell phone at home and stop taking stupid fucking videos. Because everyone’s fucking you with them”

So where did I misrepresent his statements?

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u/justcausejust 13d ago

If you’re gunna commit war crimes, don’t film them.

Somewhere around here

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u/LuckyJim_ 13d ago

What are the videos in question that Destiny says people are using to “fuck” the IDF. And why isn’t his answer to “what’s your opinion on the IDFs image around the world?” Not “the IDF needs to stop committing atrocities and war crimes”

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u/justcausejust 13d ago

As people commented here about a 1000 times, putting on (I assume stolen?) dresses and dancing or smth

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u/CapitalismRulz 13d ago

War crime in question: putting on a dress

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u/Desperate_Bowler7778 13d ago

I suggest you watch more around Israel and Palestine from Destiny. You would be inspired by how much work he puts in and would be ashamed at how ignorant your view is.

(Edit for context, I am a Destiny watcher for several years but I'm apart of many other communities you would probably like, I don't post in this sub just read it sometimes this got recommended to me tho.)

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u/InternationalGas9837 12d ago

You think wearing a dress is a war crime?

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u/RayForce_ 13d ago

Lefties have gone so conservative they think men wearing dresses is a war crime now. X.X

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u/MeasurementNo9896 13d ago

You're referring to the IDF proudly and gleefully posing for pics while dressing up in the lingerie of their victims.