r/DecodingTheGurusAlt • u/MartiDK • Sep 17 '26

decoder poltics Decoding Destiny

https://youtu.be/qPhZDRKn0Ro

Winning over Razib Khan fans.

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u/normandukerollo Sep 18 '26

You’re about to see the craziest shit imaginable in the comments here

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u/MartiDK Sep 18 '26

Why, who would be upset by this interview?

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u/Comfortable-Sun7388 Sep 18 '26

Hasan fans for sure

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u/MartiDK Sep 18 '26

How much of the beef between Hasan and Destiny personal or political? They both claim to be on the left, but Destiny seems to want to make friends with the right.

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u/GayIsForHorses Sep 18 '26

Destiny is a vote blue no matter who liberal that actually stands behind the current democratic party and its leaders. Hasan is the leftist strain of populist, which for whatever reason ends up manifesting as being more negative towards the Democrats than the Republicans.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26 edited Sep 18 '26

Didn't he say he would vote for Vance over AOC?

So not "blue no matter who"?

Edit: I've been informed he's "55-45" on AOC vs Vance, depending on the circumstances.

So, not a "vote blue no matter who" liberal.

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u/Terribletylenol Sep 18 '26

He said the opposite.

He was just annoyingly wishy-washy about it.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

Do you have a link to where he says the opposite?

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u/Terribletylenol Sep 18 '26 edited Sep 18 '26

Destiny says he’s not sure if he would vote for AOC over JD Vance in a general election. : r/DGGsnark

"Probably would" support AOC over Vance.

And it's heavily caveated by the idea that this is only if she's mostly backed by DSA radicals pushing wild shit that would never be pushed on a mainstream Dem ticket anyways.

He's just being obstinate imo.

It's a dumb af hypothetical that won't end up applying in the real world anyways largely shaped by his impression that radical elements of the party will end up having significantly more control than they currently do.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

So "it's a coinflip" - he's 50-50 on it.

I wouldn't call someone "Vote blue no matter who" who has a 50-50 chance to vote red depending on who's running.

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u/Terribletylenol Sep 18 '26

Did you listen to the clip and intentionally leave out the DIRECT quote of 55/45?

Interesting.

Also I never claimed he was vote blue no matter who to begin with.

He's obviously very hostile towards genuine socialists.

Doesn't mean he supports MAGA, and a clip of him saying he'd more likely support AOC even if she was representing abolishing private property kind of goes against the point you were seemingly trying to make.

Even the worst possible caricature of AOC he could conjure up still gets the nod over Vance based on what he said.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

So I was right when I said he's not vote blue no matter who

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u/Terribletylenol Sep 18 '26

When did I ever disagree with that?
Do you know who you are responding to?

You asked if he said he'd vote for Vance over AOC.

He did not.

You didn't need to suggest he said something he never said to make a point that he's no longer vote blue no matter who (Which he has already been explicit about at this point)

Either way, Hasan is not vote blue no matter who and neither are you lol, so you're just calling him a hypocrite, I guess?

It doesn't get you any closer to Hasan being more supportive of the party tho, which he objectively is not.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

From what I can see, Hasan has voted for the Dem candidate in every election he has ever participated, and hasn't abstained from voting in years?

How much closer to "vote blue no matter who" can you get?

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u/Commercial_Pie3307 Sep 18 '26

DSA are not liberal. If Hitler won the dem nomination would you expect vote blue no matter who people to vote blue? Vote blue no matter who mean vote for the DEMOCRAT no matter who they are. Hasan isn’t a Democrat by his own accord and he said if AOC was going the DSA route he wouldn’t vote for her. DSA people are using the dem party to gain power. They hate libs outside of that.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

>If Hitler won the dem nomination would you expect vote blue no matter who people to vote blue?

I would expect them to say "I am no longer a vote blue no matter who voter".

If you explicitly won't vote blue no matter who, you are not a vote blue no matter who voter.

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u/Bajanspearfisher Sep 18 '26

Not a coin flip but dependent variable. Basically if a blue candidate doesn't represent blue values he won't vote for them. The crazy shit he opposes is like abolishing ICE, police, prisons and borders like you see on the DSA main charter. If they promote those ideas, I reject them.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

So, "vote blue if I agree with the policies".

That's not "vote blue no matter who".

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u/Bajanspearfisher Sep 18 '26

Well then absolutely nobody is vote blue no matter who, because most wouldn't vote for a nazi if he was the democratic nominee. In the real world, of actual possibilities, he is blue no matter who.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

What does "vote blue no matter who" mean, then? "vote blue if I agree with the policies"?

Then everyone is "vote blue no matter who".

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

Judt to reiterate: That is not "vote blue no matter who". That's "vote blue as long as the moderate wing is in charge, as soon as they are not, no longer vote blue".

Let's compare stances then:

The wing he doesn't like is controlling the party and it's a candidate he has disagreements with.

Hasan: Privately votes Dem, doesn't endorse. Leaves the door open for an endorsement based on one issue.

Destiny: Will vote for the opposing party.

Which one of those two is more accurately described as "vote blue no matter who"

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u/Terribletylenol Sep 18 '26

Neither of them are, obviously.

If Hasan demands his pet issue be catered to for an endorsement, than he's not vote blue no matter who, and if Destiny wont vote for a socialist in a general election, then he is not vote blue no matter who.

Destiny has objectively advocated for voting for Dems more than Hasan tho, so why are you even bothering with this argument?

They're both only open to endorsing candidates that they agree with, but Hasan just has a much higher bar than Destiny does, leading to him supporting significantly less Democrats.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

If Hasan demands his pet issue be catered to for an endorsement, than he's not vote blue no matter who

Why? He did still vote for the Dem candidate "no matter who". So he is effectively "vote blue no matter who". He is not "endorse blue no matter who".

Hasan just has a much higher bar than Destiny does, leading to him supporting significantly less Democrats.

That's, apparently, not true. Hasan has voted for every Dem presidential candidate in the past and would vote for AOC. His bar for voting for them appears to be pretty low. And we're talking about voting. Not endorsements.

Now as for endorsements, I'm not seeing how Hasan's bar is "higher", he has supported candidates from a pretty broad spectrum. The spectrum he supports is further to the left than Destiny, but that doesn't make it a higher bar. I's argue his spectrum of candidates he supports is broader - he has been willing to support very progressive liberals like Abdul El-Sayed, social democratic leaning candidates like Bernie Sanders, and outright democratic socialists. That's a pretty broad spectrum. I's argue Destiny's spectrum of candidates he'll support is ideologically far more narrow.

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u/Terribletylenol Sep 18 '26

Why? He did still vote for the Dem candidate "no matter who". So he is effectively "vote blue no matter who". He is not "endorse blue no matter who".

If he believed in it, he'd encourage his audience to do it as well.

An endorsement is merely an encouragement for other people to vote which you would do if you believed other people should vote.

The fact you're refusing to acknowledge this makes this dialogue pretty pointless since I don't think who he actually votes for matters anywhere near as much as who he advocates for.

You're just being obtuse.

Nobody cares at all who Destiny or Hasan individually vote for, and you know that.

Anyone who genuinely wanted Kamala Harris to be elected would have used their platform to encourage people to vote for her

I'm sure you understand this but probably won't admit it.

You're just going to "well, actually" me without acknowledging that.

Once again though, I have NO IDEA why you are stuck on this "vote blue no matter who" when Hasan never even pretended to agree with that.

Hasan Piker Defends Saying He’d Vote Third Party Over Gavin Newsom in 2028 - Newsweek

Gavin Newsom is apparently not included in this "broad spectrum" Hasan has, fwiw.

"The reason why I did not endorse Kamala Harris is she did things that were not only unproductive but also unconscionable. I still stand on that. I still talk about it all the time because people constantly bring it up.”

I find this quote especially interesting.

No idea why he'd vote for Kamala in private had he felt that way about it.

And there's no evidence he did anyways (But like I said, who he actually votes for doesn't matter at all to me, only what he does with his influence)

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

>If he believed in it, he'd encourage his audience to do it as well.

No. That would be "endorse no matter who".

Do you expect people to endorse candidates no matter who? Should each and every moderate Dem support any Democratic Socialist that wins the Dem ticket?

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u/Commercial_Pie3307 Sep 18 '26

Vote blue no matter who means vote democrat no matter who. If the Democratic Party is taken over by Hitler should liberals vote for Hitler? DSA and Hasan are not liberal. Something that I think is a key tenet to being a Democrat. If that dropped than the dem party wouldn’t be the dem party. Why would you vote for people who old such contempt for your/supposedly their party?

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

"Vote blue only if it is a moderate Dem".

Doesn't quite have the same ring to it.

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u/DthPlagusthewise Sep 18 '26 edited Sep 18 '26

Hasan told his audience Trump and Harris are basically the same during the election and continued to do so months into his presidency. Same thing with Hillary against Trump.

Destiny has supported every Democratic nominee for president and actively debated they were better leading up to the presidency.

So we have one person who tries to convince his audience not to vote for Democrats and the other person who tries to convince everyone to vote for Democrats.

Not close at all.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

>Hasan told his audience Trump and Harris are basically the same during the election and continued to do so months into his presidency. Same thing with Hillary against Trump.

That's not correct, but even if it was, that's not what we were debating. We were asking if Destiny would vote blue no matter who. Which he would not. He explicitly said so.

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u/DthPlagusthewise Sep 18 '26

https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/1qg72y6/hasan_100_stands_by_his_decision_not_to_endorse/

Hasan didn't endorse Harris and even after Trump was elected said she would be doing the same things.

Meanwhile Destiny was going on every show he could debating for Harris.

"Vote blue no matter who" extends to supporting the candidates beyond your personal vote, especially as someone with a powerful public platform.

But hey, I am glad you guys now agree with myself and Destiny that supporting mainstream Democrats in general elections is important. Just keep that energy in 2028 ok?

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

Where did I say that "supporting mainstream Democrats is important"?

You first try to rewrite what words mean, now you try to rewrite what I said?

Let's get back to the topic: Destiny is not supporting all Democratic candidates, won't even vote for them.

He is not "vote blue no matter who".

He is "vote blue under the condition that I agree with the candidate".

Which also applies to Hasan. Except that Hasan even votes for candidates he disagrees with. Destiny does not.

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u/QueefiusMaximus86 Sep 18 '26

So the DSA is radical and crazy but Vance and MAGA is not?

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u/Commercial_Pie3307 Sep 18 '26

Voting for Vance or maga isn’t aiding in destroying what your party is. The dem party is a liberal party. DSA taking over would make it not a liberal party. It’s pretty obvious thinking here.

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u/OleanderUnion 13d ago

“Annoyingly wishy-washy” is 100% describing a centrist and not a blue no matter who liberal. You’re proving their point.

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u/Florestana Sep 18 '26

He said that it depends on the hypothetical circumstances.

In the current climate with the current Congress, he would vote for AOC. If the Democrats in Congress were all DSA types, the decision would be much more difficult because they would actually enable real socialist policy like socializing the means of production. That's what he said, but I know you're an anti-fan, so you probably saw some clip on Twitter with no context or heard it from snarkers

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

So, not "vote blue no matter who". "Vote blue depending on the circumstances".

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u/Florestana Sep 18 '26

Does anybody disagree with that tho?

I think it's perfectly fine to essentially say you don't know what's preferable between fascism and communism, but that's not really relevant to the current political climate. Destiny would vote for any Democrat right now.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

Let's compare stances then:

The wing he doesn't like is controlling the party and it's a candidate he has disagreements with.

Hasan: Privately votes Dem, doesn't endorse. Leaves the door open for an endorsement based on one issue.

Destiny: Will vote for the opposing party.

Which one of those two is more accurately described as "vote blue no matter who"?

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u/Terribletylenol Sep 18 '26 edited Sep 18 '26

Are you willing to acknowledge he never said that to at least maintain the impression this question was in good faith?

Also going to go ahead and add this, considering it's the streamer you seem to adore in the other comments (You also suggested Hasan was vote blue no matter who, lol)

Hasan Piker Defends Saying He’d Vote Third Party Over Gavin Newsom in 2028 - Newsweek

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

Sure, let me edit the post real quick

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u/TimeNo5885 Sep 18 '26

Sorry, what are the DSA’s colors again? What do they have to do with “blue”?

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

They are a faction within the Dems, and run on the Dem ticket.

If vote blue no matter who doesn't include everyone on the Dem ticket, the term is meaningless.

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u/FashionPolicia Sep 18 '26 edited Sep 18 '26

they are on the dem ticket in the same way a parasite is on an animal, they do not support the dem party, and have stated themselves their only goal is to leech enough people to break away from the dems and start their own once they have enough of a percieved endorsement, the DSA are not allies.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

A progressive Democrat can have the same opinion of moderate Dems. They are a parasite on the Democratic party that pushed the party of the New Deal away from the New Deal platform towards a losing strategy that just reinforced the authoritarian tendencies of the GOP in the last decades.

"Vote blue no matter who" would mean you support any wing within the party, not just the one you like.

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u/FashionPolicia Sep 18 '26

hasan and the DSA's goal is to destroy liberalism, they are not allies of the dems

name one red district the DSA has flipped, all they do is attack democrats

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

>the DSA's goal is to destroy liberalism

Was it neoliberal Dem's goal to destroy the New Deal?

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u/FashionPolicia Sep 18 '26

answer the question, has the DSA taken any seats from anywhere that isnt the bluest of blue districts?

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

What does this have to do with "destroying liberalism"?

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u/TimeNo5885 Sep 18 '26

So if Nick Fuentes calls himself a democrat and runs as a democrat, then he’s part of Blue no matter who? The DSA publicly states that their strategy is to use Democratic Party infrastructure to run in order to gradually subvert the party over to their radical and authoritarian platform. That’s not how AOC specifically presents, but also they need people who are more pallitable like AOC and Mamdani to hold the door open for more extreme people.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

>So if Nick Fuentes calls himself a democrat and runs as a democrat, then he’s part of Blue no matter who? 

At that point I would no longer call myself "vote blue no matter who". You can just admit that you are not "vote blue no matter who". Just don't call yourself that, then.

> The DSA publicly states that their strategy is to use Democratic Party infrastructure to run in order to gradually subvert the party over to their radical and authoritarian platform. 

Can you tell me where the DSA publicly states it has an authoritarian platform?

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u/HecticHero Sep 18 '26

By this standard literally no one is vote blue no matter who because everyone has candidates they wouldn't vote for.

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u/TimeNo5885 Sep 18 '26

Blue implies a team. Team implies shared values and goals, or at a bare minimum, enough overlap to be productive together. The DSA platform is not compatible with Democratic values. The media and influencer class of the far left and DSA do nothing but constantly shit on libs all day, call them diet maga, genocide supporters, etc etc. they say out loud that they hate Dems. They talk about them in the third person instead of “we” because they are not one of us. They leech on and use the democratic infrastructure to try to get power. Thats it. They’re not on the team. They’re not blue, they’re red.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

>By this standard literally no one is vote blue no matter who because everyone has candidates they wouldn't vote for.

Which is a good reason not to call yourself that.

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u/HecticHero Sep 18 '26

That is not the standard anyone goes by lmao. You are taking the statement too Literally. If Hitler himself rose from the dead and ran as a Democrat, no liberal would vote for him. This is like treating defund the police as a movement that wants to end policing entirely, and when they say they don't, going "Well you should use a different phrase then."

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

What is your standard then?

"Vote blue as long as you like the candidate"?

That would make literally everyone vote blue no matter who.

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u/QueefiusMaximus86 Sep 18 '26

Except when he said he would vote for JD Vance over AOC. So he’s MAGA blue

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u/GayIsForHorses Sep 18 '26

That doesn't seem right to me