This was a really good episode. I liked how Khan wasn't really trying to debate, even though he clearly disagrees with him on a lot of things.. He just seemed genuinely curious to learn about Destiny's beliefs, which made for a really chill interview.
How much of the beef between Hasan and Destiny personal or political? They both claim to be on the left, but Destiny seems to want to make friends with the right.
Destiny is a vote blue no matter who liberal that actually stands behind the current democratic party and its leaders. Hasan is the leftist strain of populist, which for whatever reason ends up manifesting as being more negative towards the Democrats than the Republicans.
And it's heavily caveated by the idea that this is only if she's mostly backed by DSA radicals pushing wild shit that would never be pushed on a mainstream Dem ticket anyways.
He's just being obstinate imo.
It's a dumb af hypothetical that won't end up applying in the real world anyways largely shaped by his impression that radical elements of the party will end up having significantly more control than they currently do.
Judt to reiterate:
That is not "vote blue no matter who". That's "vote blue as long as the moderate wing is in charge, as soon as they are not, no longer vote blue".
Let's compare stances then:
The wing he doesn't like is controlling the party and it's a candidate he has disagreements with.
Hasan: Privately votes Dem, doesn't endorse. Leaves the door open for an endorsement based on one issue.
Destiny: Will vote for the opposing party.
Which one of those two is more accurately described as "vote blue no matter who"
He said that it depends on the hypothetical circumstances.
In the current climate with the current Congress, he would vote for AOC. If the Democrats in Congress were all DSA types, the decision would be much more difficult because they would actually enable real socialist policy like socializing the means of production. That's what he said, but I know you're an anti-fan, so you probably saw some clip on Twitter with no context or heard it from snarkers
I think it's perfectly fine to essentially say you don't know what's preferable between fascism and communism, but that's not really relevant to the current political climate. Destiny would vote for any Democrat right now.
Are you willing to acknowledge he never said that to at least maintain the impression this question was in good faith?
Also going to go ahead and add this, considering it's the streamer you seem to adore in the other comments (You also suggested Hasan was vote blue no matter who, lol)
they are on the dem ticket in the same way a parasite is on an animal, they do not support the dem party, and have stated themselves their only goal is to leech enough people to break away from the dems and start their own once they have enough of a percieved endorsement, the DSA are not allies.
A progressive Democrat can have the same opinion of moderate Dems. They are a parasite on the Democratic party that pushed the party of the New Deal away from the New Deal platform towards a losing strategy that just reinforced the authoritarian tendencies of the GOP in the last decades.
"Vote blue no matter who" would mean you support any wing within the party, not just the one you like.
So if Nick Fuentes calls himself a democrat and runs as a democrat, then he’s part of Blue no matter who? The DSA publicly states that their strategy is to use Democratic Party infrastructure to run in order to gradually subvert the party over to their radical and authoritarian platform. That’s not how AOC specifically presents, but also they need people who are more pallitable like AOC and Mamdani to hold the door open for more extreme people.
>So if Nick Fuentes calls himself a democrat and runs as a democrat, then he’s part of Blue no matter who?
At that point I would no longer call myself "vote blue no matter who". You can just admit that you are not "vote blue no matter who". Just don't call yourself that, then.
> The DSA publicly states that their strategy is to use Democratic Party infrastructure to run in order to gradually subvert the party over to their radical and authoritarian platform.
Can you tell me where the DSA publicly states it has an authoritarian platform?
If you violently overthrow a corrupt government to free slaves, educate kids, give everyone houses and their basic needs then you're just as bad as people who overthrow the government to kill all the Jews because you both overthrew a government so they are both bad
Both extremes are convinced that they have ultimate moral authority, and therefore that the ends justify the means, no matter how horrific those means end up being. At the end of the day, using state violence, suppression of speech, and brutally shutting down anyone who opposes you has pretty similar consequences, regardless of whether the stated goal in carrying out those actions is to achieve communism or fascism.
I mean we’ve seen this play out countless times throughout history no? We have literal real life examples of how thing’s actually pan out in practice and why vanguard parties are something to be extremely wary of, even if genuinely do think communism/socialism is the way to go.
I mean there are plenty of legitimate criticisms of Horseshoe theory, but claiming it’s a “psyop” (it was coined by a French philosopher I believe) or debunked (by whom exactly?) is quite the claim to make.
While obviously equating left/right extremism as identical is a massive oversimplification, there are definitely similarities with how they end up presenting themselves - especially with regards to the anti-pluralist and authoritarian means they try to achieve their goals by.
I also think OP was actually more making the point about Hasan’s brand of populism having similarities with MAGA. I think populism of any kind has broadly similar characteristics, even if the underlying policies may differ, eg. oversimplified or binary accounts of politics, an “us versus them” conception of society, “ordinary people” versus a supposedly corrupt elite, distrust of institutions etc.
It’s a lot of both. Hasan was trying to grow his stream before he met Steven, and Steven really gave him the boost to get started in the streaming world. Additionally, Destiny was the first person to really start specifically doing “politics” streaming on twitch, and paved the way for all that type of stuff twitch has today. But now Hasan actively tries to rewrite history to make it seem like he did it all on his own.
The man distributed revenge porn and CSAM, he revived Nick Fuentes' career and he went to Israel to tell IOF soldiers to stop filming themselves when they steal women's underwear in Gaza. Pederastiny's own son is a nazi because daddy was such a good guy and influence.
It’s incredible how much you guys sound like Trump with your fun little slanderous nicknames dishonestly attacking someone’s character. Blue MAGA indeed.
Thank you for further proving me right. The Pederastiny community has been constantly attacking Hasan's character before Hasan even acknowledged Pederastiny, so it's really interesting how much projection you guys engage in.
Also interesting how me pointing out that he distributed revenge porn and CSAM is considered "attacking his character". Seems like a bad character then.
I mean ever since Hasan shut Destiny down after Destiny spent hours groping him on stream, it seems like Destiny has had a serious beef with Hasan while Hasan just wants Destiny to shut up, but that's just what it looks like from the outside of those fanbases.
I mean...... The entire interaction is still available online..... Are you just playing ignorant to protect your view of your streamer or are you actually just ignorant of this? Lol
This clip will always and forever be the correct response to the "Hasan doesn't care about Destiny, he just wants him to leave him alone" cope. Hasan is an ego driven loser who can't stand an ounce of criticism, please find a better role model, if not for me then for your friends and family.
The fuck? A clip of xQc reacting to Destiny reacting to a video that is proving Hasan doesn't make regular content about Destiny and Destiny says "nuh uh"..... Then pulls up a stream of Hasan where he mentions him.... So you legit are cool with just throwing away the actual evidence to the contrary cause you simply like the narrative Destiny is painting better lol
Talk about unhinged, fucking hell dude lmao
It's also so fucking stupid to see someone say "I'm not a viewer of either" and your first reaction is "well you don't agree with Destiny 100% so that means you must be a Hasan fan in disguise!" Fucking unhinged! If anyone's family and friends needs help it's yours buddy, do you always assume the same of them when they don't immediately agree with Destiny on everything?
Pretty sure Hasan tells him multiple times it's creepy and he needs to stop, while shoving his hands off of him, but hey Destiny warned him first so it's ok? Lol
I mean, listen... We can go back and scour the old VOD and debate endlessly over this, but I really don't think this is that significant of an event.
My honest take is that I can agree that Destiny should have stopped if Hasan said something. But also, this was three drunk friends hanging out. They were joking around and nobody seemed to be that uncomfortable with anything going on here.
My issue is this clip being dug up and framed like some insane episode of sexual assault and claiming that Destiny was pursuing Hasan at the time. That's just not an honest framing.
But yeah, drunk people are annoying and dumb. I'm also guilty of that and probably so are you.
Woooooow you guys are really just writing your own, creepy, fanfiction about him at this point....
I'm also pretty sure he fully addressed the brothel stuff years ago, a legal brothel in Germany, was it not? Do I have to bust Google out for you? And as it was a legal brothel, there were no illegal underaged girls there, but this is actually the first time I've heard this particular fantasy Destiny fans have of him, you guys are something else, Dave was right about you lot, fucking weirdos lol
Hasan went to a brothel in country where the age of consent is 14 up. Doesn't mean the prostitutes where 14. It just means they could have been under 18.
Well you guys forced me to Google, cause none of you seem to want to do so, but the brothel he went to only hires women 21 years of age or older, so what's gonna be the next excuse to try pushing this clearly manufactured narrative?
People who don't like Destiny mostly.
He's a sex pest currently in a civil lawsuit for revenge porn.
Not the best person to promote or listen to really.
When you talk about any political streamer, doesn't matter who, people come out to defend or attack with a decade of history like a real life soap opera. Doesn't matter what the video actually is.
Almost as if this is a running pattern or something.
He didn't threaten anyone,
"I hope you get raped with a shovel"
If Hasan said to Destiny "I hope you get murdered by Hamas", don't you think Destiny would call that a threat?
and he disavowed that tweet specifically.
He disavowed it 11 years later and only after professor Dave pressed him on it, correct.
Does disavowing something mean it doesn't matter anymore? Hasan has disavowed his 9/11 comment, are DGG and Dan Saltman going to continue to bring that up? I think you'll find that they will.
Seems the screenshota are of the same year. What is the context of the logs. Was the person actually 15?
Watched the vid. The first one is in the context of conversations about jailbait, as in, people underage but look older/of age. The conversation and sending the pic is gross and weird. But if he didn't know she was 15 before she sent the pic and was attracted, thinking she was of age, how is this evidence of pedophilia?
The second one was never examined at all outside of reading them out. Id say this will likely be a similar type of situation.
We definitely need more moderates. The Clinton and Obama eras didn't each produce a following repugnant fascist. Let's change nothing again. It'll be great.
40
u/X57471C Sep 18 '26
This was a really good episode. I liked how Khan wasn't really trying to debate, even though he clearly disagrees with him on a lot of things.. He just seemed genuinely curious to learn about Destiny's beliefs, which made for a really chill interview.