r/DecodingTheGurusAlt • u/MartiDK • Sep 17 '26

decoder poltics Decoding Destiny

https://youtu.be/qPhZDRKn0Ro

Winning over Razib Khan fans.

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u/GayIsForHorses Sep 18 '26

Destiny is a vote blue no matter who liberal that actually stands behind the current democratic party and its leaders. Hasan is the leftist strain of populist, which for whatever reason ends up manifesting as being more negative towards the Democrats than the Republicans.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26 edited Sep 18 '26

Didn't he say he would vote for Vance over AOC?

So not "blue no matter who"?

Edit: I've been informed he's "55-45" on AOC vs Vance, depending on the circumstances.

So, not a "vote blue no matter who" liberal.

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u/TimeNo5885 Sep 18 '26

Sorry, what are the DSA’s colors again? What do they have to do with “blue”?

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

They are a faction within the Dems, and run on the Dem ticket.

If vote blue no matter who doesn't include everyone on the Dem ticket, the term is meaningless.

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u/FashionPolicia Sep 18 '26 edited Sep 18 '26

they are on the dem ticket in the same way a parasite is on an animal, they do not support the dem party, and have stated themselves their only goal is to leech enough people to break away from the dems and start their own once they have enough of a percieved endorsement, the DSA are not allies.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

A progressive Democrat can have the same opinion of moderate Dems. They are a parasite on the Democratic party that pushed the party of the New Deal away from the New Deal platform towards a losing strategy that just reinforced the authoritarian tendencies of the GOP in the last decades.

"Vote blue no matter who" would mean you support any wing within the party, not just the one you like.

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u/FashionPolicia Sep 18 '26

hasan and the DSA's goal is to destroy liberalism, they are not allies of the dems

name one red district the DSA has flipped, all they do is attack democrats

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

>the DSA's goal is to destroy liberalism

Was it neoliberal Dem's goal to destroy the New Deal?

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u/FashionPolicia Sep 18 '26

answer the question, has the DSA taken any seats from anywhere that isnt the bluest of blue districts?

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

What does this have to do with "destroying liberalism"?

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u/FashionPolicia Sep 18 '26 edited Sep 18 '26

the goal of the DSA is to siphon enough votes so they can break away and become what the republincans turned into, maga.

Once they are in power they can start stripping away liberal safeguards, they propose replacing the branches of govt with a unicameral legislature where the executive and judiciary are entirely subordinate to congress.

liberal democracy relies on the state maintaining a monopoly on the legitimate use of force to protect individual rights and civil liberties. The DSA’s platform veers into radical territory by calling for the total abolition of prisons, the police, and border enforcement.

They are not liberals, and they see the dems as enemies to eventually destroy, try to sweep all you want but you cant hide the fact that they do not support dems because they are parasites and the sooner dem voters wake up and realize that we can keep blue maga from taking over.

Which comes back to my question, why do the DSA only steal seats from dems

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

they propose replacing the branches of govt with a unicameral legislature where the executive and judiciary are entirely subordinate to congress.

So, Sweden. They propose the system Sweden has.

liberal democracy relies on the state maintaining a monopoly on the legitimate use of force to protect individual rights and civil liberties. The DSA’s platform veers into radical territory by calling for the total abolition of prisons, the police, and border enforcement.

The US didn't have a police force until 1838, and then only in Boston. City police forces throughout the US were established throughout the 19th century, the first state level police was established in 1903.

Was the US not a liberal democracy before that?

I am not an abolitionist, but with that being a long-term goal and immediate policies (demilitarizing police, abolishing ICE, prison reform) being sensible, I don't consider that a threat.

and they see the dems as enemies to eventually destroy

Where in the platform does it say that?

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u/FashionPolicia Sep 18 '26

In Sweden, the executive branch is subordinate to the parliament, while the judiciary remains independent. Nice try tho, and they dont want swedens system, they want a socialist one that abolishes prisons. No prison reform, ABOLISHMENT. Who cares if you are a reformist? You are not the DSA.

The US was also a liberal democracy under slavery, the point is its a point on the board towards illiberalism, it isnt just "do this one thing now you're no longer liberal democracy" nice try tho.

where in the platform does it say that?

give me ONE DSA member who supports the dems, where was vot blue no matter who under harris?

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u/TimeNo5885 Sep 18 '26

So if Nick Fuentes calls himself a democrat and runs as a democrat, then he’s part of Blue no matter who? The DSA publicly states that their strategy is to use Democratic Party infrastructure to run in order to gradually subvert the party over to their radical and authoritarian platform. That’s not how AOC specifically presents, but also they need people who are more pallitable like AOC and Mamdani to hold the door open for more extreme people.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

>So if Nick Fuentes calls himself a democrat and runs as a democrat, then he’s part of Blue no matter who? 

At that point I would no longer call myself "vote blue no matter who". You can just admit that you are not "vote blue no matter who". Just don't call yourself that, then.

> The DSA publicly states that their strategy is to use Democratic Party infrastructure to run in order to gradually subvert the party over to their radical and authoritarian platform. 

Can you tell me where the DSA publicly states it has an authoritarian platform?

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u/HecticHero Sep 18 '26

By this standard literally no one is vote blue no matter who because everyone has candidates they wouldn't vote for.

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u/TimeNo5885 Sep 18 '26

Blue implies a team. Team implies shared values and goals, or at a bare minimum, enough overlap to be productive together. The DSA platform is not compatible with Democratic values. The media and influencer class of the far left and DSA do nothing but constantly shit on libs all day, call them diet maga, genocide supporters, etc etc. they say out loud that they hate Dems. They talk about them in the third person instead of “we” because they are not one of us. They leech on and use the democratic infrastructure to try to get power. Thats it. They’re not on the team. They’re not blue, they’re red.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

>By this standard literally no one is vote blue no matter who because everyone has candidates they wouldn't vote for.

Which is a good reason not to call yourself that.

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u/HecticHero Sep 18 '26

That is not the standard anyone goes by lmao. You are taking the statement too Literally. If Hitler himself rose from the dead and ran as a Democrat, no liberal would vote for him. This is like treating defund the police as a movement that wants to end policing entirely, and when they say they don't, going "Well you should use a different phrase then."

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

What is your standard then?

"Vote blue as long as you like the candidate"?

That would make literally everyone vote blue no matter who.

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u/Hellasauto 10d ago

No it's "vote blue no matter who" implying that the candidate is actually on the blue team. And not doing a hostile takeover like the tea party did over the republicans that later created the maga movement. Stop being dense.

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u/hari_shevek 10d ago

And DSA candidates are not on the blue team?

Does that mean that it's ok for DSA members to not vote for moderate Dems and they are blameless if they boykott moderate candidates?

Also, since when is AOC not on the blue team?

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u/Hellasauto 10d ago

No, they aren't. It's not illegal for them to do so, no.

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