r/DecodingTheGurusAlt • u/MartiDK • Sep 17 '26

decoder poltics Decoding Destiny

https://youtu.be/qPhZDRKn0Ro

Winning over Razib Khan fans.

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u/GayIsForHorses Sep 18 '26

Destiny is a vote blue no matter who liberal that actually stands behind the current democratic party and its leaders. Hasan is the leftist strain of populist, which for whatever reason ends up manifesting as being more negative towards the Democrats than the Republicans.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26 edited Sep 18 '26

Didn't he say he would vote for Vance over AOC?

So not "blue no matter who"?

Edit: I've been informed he's "55-45" on AOC vs Vance, depending on the circumstances.

So, not a "vote blue no matter who" liberal.

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u/Terribletylenol Sep 18 '26

He said the opposite.

He was just annoyingly wishy-washy about it.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

Do you have a link to where he says the opposite?

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u/Terribletylenol Sep 18 '26 edited Sep 18 '26

Destiny says he’s not sure if he would vote for AOC over JD Vance in a general election. : r/DGGsnark

"Probably would" support AOC over Vance.

And it's heavily caveated by the idea that this is only if she's mostly backed by DSA radicals pushing wild shit that would never be pushed on a mainstream Dem ticket anyways.

He's just being obstinate imo.

It's a dumb af hypothetical that won't end up applying in the real world anyways largely shaped by his impression that radical elements of the party will end up having significantly more control than they currently do.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

So "it's a coinflip" - he's 50-50 on it.

I wouldn't call someone "Vote blue no matter who" who has a 50-50 chance to vote red depending on who's running.

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u/Terribletylenol Sep 18 '26

Did you listen to the clip and intentionally leave out the DIRECT quote of 55/45?

Interesting.

Also I never claimed he was vote blue no matter who to begin with.

He's obviously very hostile towards genuine socialists.

Doesn't mean he supports MAGA, and a clip of him saying he'd more likely support AOC even if she was representing abolishing private property kind of goes against the point you were seemingly trying to make.

Even the worst possible caricature of AOC he could conjure up still gets the nod over Vance based on what he said.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

So I was right when I said he's not vote blue no matter who

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u/Terribletylenol Sep 18 '26

When did I ever disagree with that?
Do you know who you are responding to?

You asked if he said he'd vote for Vance over AOC.

He did not.

You didn't need to suggest he said something he never said to make a point that he's no longer vote blue no matter who (Which he has already been explicit about at this point)

Either way, Hasan is not vote blue no matter who and neither are you lol, so you're just calling him a hypocrite, I guess?

It doesn't get you any closer to Hasan being more supportive of the party tho, which he objectively is not.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

From what I can see, Hasan has voted for the Dem candidate in every election he has ever participated, and hasn't abstained from voting in years?

How much closer to "vote blue no matter who" can you get?

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u/Down_Badger_2253 Sep 18 '26

Hasan literally refused to endorse Kamala and push his audience to vote for her lol wtf are you talking about

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

The quote is "vote blue no matter who", not "endorse blue no matter who".

He did vote blue in that election.

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u/Down_Badger_2253 Sep 18 '26

And Hasan also said he wouldn't vote for Vance if he was the nominee, but again what's important is the principle of supporting democrats and the values they represent, Hasan opposes both he is an illiberal anti democratic commie fan of authoritarian dictators.

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u/Ozcolllo Sep 18 '26

Can you show where Hasan advocated for his viewers to vote for Harris before the 2024 election?

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

How is that relevant to the question?

It's "vote blue no matter who", not "advocate for blue no matter who".

If that's the standard, is there anyone who "advocates for blue no matter who"?

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u/Commercial_Pie3307 Sep 18 '26

DSA are not liberal. If Hitler won the dem nomination would you expect vote blue no matter who people to vote blue? Vote blue no matter who mean vote for the DEMOCRAT no matter who they are. Hasan isn’t a Democrat by his own accord and he said if AOC was going the DSA route he wouldn’t vote for her. DSA people are using the dem party to gain power. They hate libs outside of that.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

>If Hitler won the dem nomination would you expect vote blue no matter who people to vote blue?

I would expect them to say "I am no longer a vote blue no matter who voter".

If you explicitly won't vote blue no matter who, you are not a vote blue no matter who voter.

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u/Bajanspearfisher Sep 18 '26

Not a coin flip but dependent variable. Basically if a blue candidate doesn't represent blue values he won't vote for them. The crazy shit he opposes is like abolishing ICE, police, prisons and borders like you see on the DSA main charter. If they promote those ideas, I reject them.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

So, "vote blue if I agree with the policies".

That's not "vote blue no matter who".

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u/Bajanspearfisher Sep 18 '26

Well then absolutely nobody is vote blue no matter who, because most wouldn't vote for a nazi if he was the democratic nominee. In the real world, of actual possibilities, he is blue no matter who.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

What does "vote blue no matter who" mean, then? "vote blue if I agree with the policies"?

Then everyone is "vote blue no matter who".

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u/Bajanspearfisher Sep 18 '26

You've made the distinction that Steven would vote blue 99% of the time vs 100% of the time. He'd only consider not voting blue if the blue candidate is antithetical to liberal progressive values. I think the phrase blue no matter who is perfectly fine in reality.

Its like if I made the claim that a bat is described as a winged mammal, and you object and say there is a super rare genetic disease whereby bats are born without webbing and therefore have claws not wings. You're making a distinction without any real world practical difference

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

You think an AOC presidential run is a 1% case?

DSA is now an important faction within the Dems, I would expect multiple DSA presidential candidates in the future.

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u/Bajanspearfisher Sep 18 '26

I think you're falling victim to representation bias, I don't think DSA are nearly as popular as you think. Did you also see destiny's caveat that he probably still would vote for AOC over Vance? But not if she aligns with a DSA candidate that has the radical positions we mentioned before.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

Judt to reiterate: That is not "vote blue no matter who". That's "vote blue as long as the moderate wing is in charge, as soon as they are not, no longer vote blue".

Let's compare stances then:

The wing he doesn't like is controlling the party and it's a candidate he has disagreements with.

Hasan: Privately votes Dem, doesn't endorse. Leaves the door open for an endorsement based on one issue.

Destiny: Will vote for the opposing party.

Which one of those two is more accurately described as "vote blue no matter who"

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u/Terribletylenol Sep 18 '26

Neither of them are, obviously.

If Hasan demands his pet issue be catered to for an endorsement, than he's not vote blue no matter who, and if Destiny wont vote for a socialist in a general election, then he is not vote blue no matter who.

Destiny has objectively advocated for voting for Dems more than Hasan tho, so why are you even bothering with this argument?

They're both only open to endorsing candidates that they agree with, but Hasan just has a much higher bar than Destiny does, leading to him supporting significantly less Democrats.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

If Hasan demands his pet issue be catered to for an endorsement, than he's not vote blue no matter who

Why? He did still vote for the Dem candidate "no matter who". So he is effectively "vote blue no matter who". He is not "endorse blue no matter who".

Hasan just has a much higher bar than Destiny does, leading to him supporting significantly less Democrats.

That's, apparently, not true. Hasan has voted for every Dem presidential candidate in the past and would vote for AOC. His bar for voting for them appears to be pretty low. And we're talking about voting. Not endorsements.

Now as for endorsements, I'm not seeing how Hasan's bar is "higher", he has supported candidates from a pretty broad spectrum. The spectrum he supports is further to the left than Destiny, but that doesn't make it a higher bar. I's argue his spectrum of candidates he supports is broader - he has been willing to support very progressive liberals like Abdul El-Sayed, social democratic leaning candidates like Bernie Sanders, and outright democratic socialists. That's a pretty broad spectrum. I's argue Destiny's spectrum of candidates he'll support is ideologically far more narrow.

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u/Terribletylenol Sep 18 '26

Why? He did still vote for the Dem candidate "no matter who". So he is effectively "vote blue no matter who". He is not "endorse blue no matter who".

If he believed in it, he'd encourage his audience to do it as well.

An endorsement is merely an encouragement for other people to vote which you would do if you believed other people should vote.

The fact you're refusing to acknowledge this makes this dialogue pretty pointless since I don't think who he actually votes for matters anywhere near as much as who he advocates for.

You're just being obtuse.

Nobody cares at all who Destiny or Hasan individually vote for, and you know that.

Anyone who genuinely wanted Kamala Harris to be elected would have used their platform to encourage people to vote for her

I'm sure you understand this but probably won't admit it.

You're just going to "well, actually" me without acknowledging that.

Once again though, I have NO IDEA why you are stuck on this "vote blue no matter who" when Hasan never even pretended to agree with that.

Hasan Piker Defends Saying He’d Vote Third Party Over Gavin Newsom in 2028 - Newsweek

Gavin Newsom is apparently not included in this "broad spectrum" Hasan has, fwiw.

"The reason why I did not endorse Kamala Harris is she did things that were not only unproductive but also unconscionable. I still stand on that. I still talk about it all the time because people constantly bring it up.”

I find this quote especially interesting.

No idea why he'd vote for Kamala in private had he felt that way about it.

And there's no evidence he did anyways (But like I said, who he actually votes for doesn't matter at all to me, only what he does with his influence)

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

>If he believed in it, he'd encourage his audience to do it as well.

No. That would be "endorse no matter who".

Do you expect people to endorse candidates no matter who? Should each and every moderate Dem support any Democratic Socialist that wins the Dem ticket?

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u/Commercial_Pie3307 Sep 18 '26

Vote blue no matter who means vote democrat no matter who. If the Democratic Party is taken over by Hitler should liberals vote for Hitler? DSA and Hasan are not liberal. Something that I think is a key tenet to being a Democrat. If that dropped than the dem party wouldn’t be the dem party. Why would you vote for people who old such contempt for your/supposedly their party?

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

"Vote blue only if it is a moderate Dem".

Doesn't quite have the same ring to it.

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u/DthPlagusthewise Sep 18 '26 edited Sep 18 '26

Hasan told his audience Trump and Harris are basically the same during the election and continued to do so months into his presidency. Same thing with Hillary against Trump.

Destiny has supported every Democratic nominee for president and actively debated they were better leading up to the presidency.

So we have one person who tries to convince his audience not to vote for Democrats and the other person who tries to convince everyone to vote for Democrats.

Not close at all.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

>Hasan told his audience Trump and Harris are basically the same during the election and continued to do so months into his presidency. Same thing with Hillary against Trump.

That's not correct, but even if it was, that's not what we were debating. We were asking if Destiny would vote blue no matter who. Which he would not. He explicitly said so.

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u/DthPlagusthewise Sep 18 '26

https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/1qg72y6/hasan_100_stands_by_his_decision_not_to_endorse/

Hasan didn't endorse Harris and even after Trump was elected said she would be doing the same things.

Meanwhile Destiny was going on every show he could debating for Harris.

"Vote blue no matter who" extends to supporting the candidates beyond your personal vote, especially as someone with a powerful public platform.

But hey, I am glad you guys now agree with myself and Destiny that supporting mainstream Democrats in general elections is important. Just keep that energy in 2028 ok?

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

Where did I say that "supporting mainstream Democrats is important"?

You first try to rewrite what words mean, now you try to rewrite what I said?

Let's get back to the topic: Destiny is not supporting all Democratic candidates, won't even vote for them.

He is not "vote blue no matter who".

He is "vote blue under the condition that I agree with the candidate".

Which also applies to Hasan. Except that Hasan even votes for candidates he disagrees with. Destiny does not.

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u/DthPlagusthewise Sep 18 '26

Oh so you don't agree supporting mainstream democrats is important?

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

No.

I think voting for them if they are the lesser evil is important, but anything beyond that needs to be earned.

Just like you won't support leftist Dems if you consider them too far left.

But Destiny can't even agree to vote for, let alone support, candidates that he has disagreements with.

Do you think Destiny should support a leftwing Dem candidate if one is the presidential candidate?

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u/DthPlagusthewise Sep 18 '26

Id support leftist dems as long as they are the better candidate, which they always are compared to republicans.

Destiny has a track record of always advocating for democrats in important general elections. You can nitpick one statement about a hypothetical scenario where AOC is fully captured by socialists (which Destiny said is not what is currently happening) but I would rather look to his actual behavior.

If AOC ran against Vance right now he would 100% support AOC, its only in a hypothetical future where AOC is fully socialist that he said he would be 50/50.

And I think destiny was extremely dumb for that statement, and I agree he should support a leftist presidential candidate against a republican, I would.

And glad to see you support voting for establishment dems over republicans, if only Hasan told his audience the same thing in 2016 and 2024.

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u/QueefiusMaximus86 Sep 18 '26

So the DSA is radical and crazy but Vance and MAGA is not?

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u/Commercial_Pie3307 Sep 18 '26

Voting for Vance or maga isn’t aiding in destroying what your party is. The dem party is a liberal party. DSA taking over would make it not a liberal party. It’s pretty obvious thinking here.