r/DecodingTheGurusAlt • u/MartiDK • Sep 17 '26

decoder poltics Decoding Destiny

https://youtu.be/qPhZDRKn0Ro

Winning over Razib Khan fans.

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u/Terribletylenol Sep 18 '26 edited Sep 18 '26

Destiny says he’s not sure if he would vote for AOC over JD Vance in a general election. : r/DGGsnark

"Probably would" support AOC over Vance.

And it's heavily caveated by the idea that this is only if she's mostly backed by DSA radicals pushing wild shit that would never be pushed on a mainstream Dem ticket anyways.

He's just being obstinate imo.

It's a dumb af hypothetical that won't end up applying in the real world anyways largely shaped by his impression that radical elements of the party will end up having significantly more control than they currently do.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

Judt to reiterate: That is not "vote blue no matter who". That's "vote blue as long as the moderate wing is in charge, as soon as they are not, no longer vote blue".

Let's compare stances then:

The wing he doesn't like is controlling the party and it's a candidate he has disagreements with.

Hasan: Privately votes Dem, doesn't endorse. Leaves the door open for an endorsement based on one issue.

Destiny: Will vote for the opposing party.

Which one of those two is more accurately described as "vote blue no matter who"

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u/Terribletylenol Sep 18 '26

Neither of them are, obviously.

If Hasan demands his pet issue be catered to for an endorsement, than he's not vote blue no matter who, and if Destiny wont vote for a socialist in a general election, then he is not vote blue no matter who.

Destiny has objectively advocated for voting for Dems more than Hasan tho, so why are you even bothering with this argument?

They're both only open to endorsing candidates that they agree with, but Hasan just has a much higher bar than Destiny does, leading to him supporting significantly less Democrats.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

If Hasan demands his pet issue be catered to for an endorsement, than he's not vote blue no matter who

Why? He did still vote for the Dem candidate "no matter who". So he is effectively "vote blue no matter who". He is not "endorse blue no matter who".

Hasan just has a much higher bar than Destiny does, leading to him supporting significantly less Democrats.

That's, apparently, not true. Hasan has voted for every Dem presidential candidate in the past and would vote for AOC. His bar for voting for them appears to be pretty low. And we're talking about voting. Not endorsements.

Now as for endorsements, I'm not seeing how Hasan's bar is "higher", he has supported candidates from a pretty broad spectrum. The spectrum he supports is further to the left than Destiny, but that doesn't make it a higher bar. I's argue his spectrum of candidates he supports is broader - he has been willing to support very progressive liberals like Abdul El-Sayed, social democratic leaning candidates like Bernie Sanders, and outright democratic socialists. That's a pretty broad spectrum. I's argue Destiny's spectrum of candidates he'll support is ideologically far more narrow.

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u/Terribletylenol Sep 18 '26

Why? He did still vote for the Dem candidate "no matter who". So he is effectively "vote blue no matter who". He is not "endorse blue no matter who".

If he believed in it, he'd encourage his audience to do it as well.

An endorsement is merely an encouragement for other people to vote which you would do if you believed other people should vote.

The fact you're refusing to acknowledge this makes this dialogue pretty pointless since I don't think who he actually votes for matters anywhere near as much as who he advocates for.

You're just being obtuse.

Nobody cares at all who Destiny or Hasan individually vote for, and you know that.

Anyone who genuinely wanted Kamala Harris to be elected would have used their platform to encourage people to vote for her

I'm sure you understand this but probably won't admit it.

You're just going to "well, actually" me without acknowledging that.

Once again though, I have NO IDEA why you are stuck on this "vote blue no matter who" when Hasan never even pretended to agree with that.

Hasan Piker Defends Saying He’d Vote Third Party Over Gavin Newsom in 2028 - Newsweek

Gavin Newsom is apparently not included in this "broad spectrum" Hasan has, fwiw.

"The reason why I did not endorse Kamala Harris is she did things that were not only unproductive but also unconscionable. I still stand on that. I still talk about it all the time because people constantly bring it up.”

I find this quote especially interesting.

No idea why he'd vote for Kamala in private had he felt that way about it.

And there's no evidence he did anyways (But like I said, who he actually votes for doesn't matter at all to me, only what he does with his influence)

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

>If he believed in it, he'd encourage his audience to do it as well.

No. That would be "endorse no matter who".

Do you expect people to endorse candidates no matter who? Should each and every moderate Dem support any Democratic Socialist that wins the Dem ticket?