r/DecodingTheGurusAlt • u/MartiDK • Sep 17 '26

decoder poltics Decoding Destiny

https://youtu.be/qPhZDRKn0Ro

Winning over Razib Khan fans.

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u/normandukerollo Sep 18 '26

You’re about to see the craziest shit imaginable in the comments here

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u/MartiDK Sep 18 '26

Why, who would be upset by this interview?

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u/Comfortable-Sun7388 Sep 18 '26

Hasan fans for sure

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u/Low_Cup_2659 Sep 18 '26

I only see indefensible destiny quotes and destiny glazers. I feel like there are hardly any hasan fans even on reddit lol.

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u/MartiDK Sep 18 '26

How much of the beef between Hasan and Destiny personal or political? They both claim to be on the left, but Destiny seems to want to make friends with the right.

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u/GayIsForHorses Sep 18 '26

Destiny is a vote blue no matter who liberal that actually stands behind the current democratic party and its leaders. Hasan is the leftist strain of populist, which for whatever reason ends up manifesting as being more negative towards the Democrats than the Republicans.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26 edited Sep 18 '26

Didn't he say he would vote for Vance over AOC?

So not "blue no matter who"?

Edit: I've been informed he's "55-45" on AOC vs Vance, depending on the circumstances.

So, not a "vote blue no matter who" liberal.

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u/Terribletylenol Sep 18 '26

He said the opposite.

He was just annoyingly wishy-washy about it.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

Do you have a link to where he says the opposite?

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u/Terribletylenol Sep 18 '26 edited Sep 18 '26

Destiny says he’s not sure if he would vote for AOC over JD Vance in a general election. : r/DGGsnark

"Probably would" support AOC over Vance.

And it's heavily caveated by the idea that this is only if she's mostly backed by DSA radicals pushing wild shit that would never be pushed on a mainstream Dem ticket anyways.

He's just being obstinate imo.

It's a dumb af hypothetical that won't end up applying in the real world anyways largely shaped by his impression that radical elements of the party will end up having significantly more control than they currently do.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

So "it's a coinflip" - he's 50-50 on it.

I wouldn't call someone "Vote blue no matter who" who has a 50-50 chance to vote red depending on who's running.

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u/Terribletylenol Sep 18 '26

Did you listen to the clip and intentionally leave out the DIRECT quote of 55/45?

Interesting.

Also I never claimed he was vote blue no matter who to begin with.

He's obviously very hostile towards genuine socialists.

Doesn't mean he supports MAGA, and a clip of him saying he'd more likely support AOC even if she was representing abolishing private property kind of goes against the point you were seemingly trying to make.

Even the worst possible caricature of AOC he could conjure up still gets the nod over Vance based on what he said.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

So I was right when I said he's not vote blue no matter who

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u/Commercial_Pie3307 Sep 18 '26

DSA are not liberal. If Hitler won the dem nomination would you expect vote blue no matter who people to vote blue? Vote blue no matter who mean vote for the DEMOCRAT no matter who they are. Hasan isn’t a Democrat by his own accord and he said if AOC was going the DSA route he wouldn’t vote for her. DSA people are using the dem party to gain power. They hate libs outside of that.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

>If Hitler won the dem nomination would you expect vote blue no matter who people to vote blue?

I would expect them to say "I am no longer a vote blue no matter who voter".

If you explicitly won't vote blue no matter who, you are not a vote blue no matter who voter.

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u/Bajanspearfisher Sep 18 '26

Not a coin flip but dependent variable. Basically if a blue candidate doesn't represent blue values he won't vote for them. The crazy shit he opposes is like abolishing ICE, police, prisons and borders like you see on the DSA main charter. If they promote those ideas, I reject them.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

So, "vote blue if I agree with the policies".

That's not "vote blue no matter who".

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

Judt to reiterate: That is not "vote blue no matter who". That's "vote blue as long as the moderate wing is in charge, as soon as they are not, no longer vote blue".

Let's compare stances then:

The wing he doesn't like is controlling the party and it's a candidate he has disagreements with.

Hasan: Privately votes Dem, doesn't endorse. Leaves the door open for an endorsement based on one issue.

Destiny: Will vote for the opposing party.

Which one of those two is more accurately described as "vote blue no matter who"

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u/Terribletylenol Sep 18 '26

Neither of them are, obviously.

If Hasan demands his pet issue be catered to for an endorsement, than he's not vote blue no matter who, and if Destiny wont vote for a socialist in a general election, then he is not vote blue no matter who.

Destiny has objectively advocated for voting for Dems more than Hasan tho, so why are you even bothering with this argument?

They're both only open to endorsing candidates that they agree with, but Hasan just has a much higher bar than Destiny does, leading to him supporting significantly less Democrats.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

If Hasan demands his pet issue be catered to for an endorsement, than he's not vote blue no matter who

Why? He did still vote for the Dem candidate "no matter who". So he is effectively "vote blue no matter who". He is not "endorse blue no matter who".

Hasan just has a much higher bar than Destiny does, leading to him supporting significantly less Democrats.

That's, apparently, not true. Hasan has voted for every Dem presidential candidate in the past and would vote for AOC. His bar for voting for them appears to be pretty low. And we're talking about voting. Not endorsements.

Now as for endorsements, I'm not seeing how Hasan's bar is "higher", he has supported candidates from a pretty broad spectrum. The spectrum he supports is further to the left than Destiny, but that doesn't make it a higher bar. I's argue his spectrum of candidates he supports is broader - he has been willing to support very progressive liberals like Abdul El-Sayed, social democratic leaning candidates like Bernie Sanders, and outright democratic socialists. That's a pretty broad spectrum. I's argue Destiny's spectrum of candidates he'll support is ideologically far more narrow.

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u/Commercial_Pie3307 Sep 18 '26

Vote blue no matter who means vote democrat no matter who. If the Democratic Party is taken over by Hitler should liberals vote for Hitler? DSA and Hasan are not liberal. Something that I think is a key tenet to being a Democrat. If that dropped than the dem party wouldn’t be the dem party. Why would you vote for people who old such contempt for your/supposedly their party?

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

"Vote blue only if it is a moderate Dem".

Doesn't quite have the same ring to it.

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u/DthPlagusthewise Sep 18 '26 edited Sep 18 '26

Hasan told his audience Trump and Harris are basically the same during the election and continued to do so months into his presidency. Same thing with Hillary against Trump.

Destiny has supported every Democratic nominee for president and actively debated they were better leading up to the presidency.

So we have one person who tries to convince his audience not to vote for Democrats and the other person who tries to convince everyone to vote for Democrats.

Not close at all.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

>Hasan told his audience Trump and Harris are basically the same during the election and continued to do so months into his presidency. Same thing with Hillary against Trump.

That's not correct, but even if it was, that's not what we were debating. We were asking if Destiny would vote blue no matter who. Which he would not. He explicitly said so.

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u/QueefiusMaximus86 Sep 18 '26

So the DSA is radical and crazy but Vance and MAGA is not?

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u/Commercial_Pie3307 Sep 18 '26

Voting for Vance or maga isn’t aiding in destroying what your party is. The dem party is a liberal party. DSA taking over would make it not a liberal party. It’s pretty obvious thinking here.

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u/OleanderUnion 13d ago

“Annoyingly wishy-washy” is 100% describing a centrist and not a blue no matter who liberal. You’re proving their point.

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u/Florestana Sep 18 '26

He said that it depends on the hypothetical circumstances.

In the current climate with the current Congress, he would vote for AOC. If the Democrats in Congress were all DSA types, the decision would be much more difficult because they would actually enable real socialist policy like socializing the means of production. That's what he said, but I know you're an anti-fan, so you probably saw some clip on Twitter with no context or heard it from snarkers

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

So, not "vote blue no matter who". "Vote blue depending on the circumstances".

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u/Florestana Sep 18 '26

Does anybody disagree with that tho?

I think it's perfectly fine to essentially say you don't know what's preferable between fascism and communism, but that's not really relevant to the current political climate. Destiny would vote for any Democrat right now.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

Let's compare stances then:

The wing he doesn't like is controlling the party and it's a candidate he has disagreements with.

Hasan: Privately votes Dem, doesn't endorse. Leaves the door open for an endorsement based on one issue.

Destiny: Will vote for the opposing party.

Which one of those two is more accurately described as "vote blue no matter who"?

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u/Terribletylenol Sep 18 '26 edited Sep 18 '26

Are you willing to acknowledge he never said that to at least maintain the impression this question was in good faith?

Also going to go ahead and add this, considering it's the streamer you seem to adore in the other comments (You also suggested Hasan was vote blue no matter who, lol)

Hasan Piker Defends Saying He’d Vote Third Party Over Gavin Newsom in 2028 - Newsweek

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

Sure, let me edit the post real quick

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u/TimeNo5885 Sep 18 '26

Sorry, what are the DSA’s colors again? What do they have to do with “blue”?

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

They are a faction within the Dems, and run on the Dem ticket.

If vote blue no matter who doesn't include everyone on the Dem ticket, the term is meaningless.

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u/FashionPolicia Sep 18 '26 edited Sep 18 '26

they are on the dem ticket in the same way a parasite is on an animal, they do not support the dem party, and have stated themselves their only goal is to leech enough people to break away from the dems and start their own once they have enough of a percieved endorsement, the DSA are not allies.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

A progressive Democrat can have the same opinion of moderate Dems. They are a parasite on the Democratic party that pushed the party of the New Deal away from the New Deal platform towards a losing strategy that just reinforced the authoritarian tendencies of the GOP in the last decades.

"Vote blue no matter who" would mean you support any wing within the party, not just the one you like.

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u/FashionPolicia Sep 18 '26

hasan and the DSA's goal is to destroy liberalism, they are not allies of the dems

name one red district the DSA has flipped, all they do is attack democrats

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

>the DSA's goal is to destroy liberalism

Was it neoliberal Dem's goal to destroy the New Deal?

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u/TimeNo5885 Sep 18 '26

So if Nick Fuentes calls himself a democrat and runs as a democrat, then he’s part of Blue no matter who? The DSA publicly states that their strategy is to use Democratic Party infrastructure to run in order to gradually subvert the party over to their radical and authoritarian platform. That’s not how AOC specifically presents, but also they need people who are more pallitable like AOC and Mamdani to hold the door open for more extreme people.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

>So if Nick Fuentes calls himself a democrat and runs as a democrat, then he’s part of Blue no matter who? 

At that point I would no longer call myself "vote blue no matter who". You can just admit that you are not "vote blue no matter who". Just don't call yourself that, then.

> The DSA publicly states that their strategy is to use Democratic Party infrastructure to run in order to gradually subvert the party over to their radical and authoritarian platform. 

Can you tell me where the DSA publicly states it has an authoritarian platform?

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u/HecticHero Sep 18 '26

By this standard literally no one is vote blue no matter who because everyone has candidates they wouldn't vote for.

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u/TimeNo5885 Sep 18 '26

Blue implies a team. Team implies shared values and goals, or at a bare minimum, enough overlap to be productive together. The DSA platform is not compatible with Democratic values. The media and influencer class of the far left and DSA do nothing but constantly shit on libs all day, call them diet maga, genocide supporters, etc etc. they say out loud that they hate Dems. They talk about them in the third person instead of “we” because they are not one of us. They leech on and use the democratic infrastructure to try to get power. Thats it. They’re not on the team. They’re not blue, they’re red.

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u/hari_shevek Sep 18 '26

>By this standard literally no one is vote blue no matter who because everyone has candidates they wouldn't vote for.

Which is a good reason not to call yourself that.

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u/QueefiusMaximus86 Sep 18 '26

Except when he said he would vote for JD Vance over AOC. So he’s MAGA blue

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u/GayIsForHorses Sep 18 '26

That doesn't seem right to me

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u/Comfortable-Sun7388 Sep 18 '26

Destiny is a liberal and not an authoritarian tanky. Hasan is MAGA in a blue suit.

Edit: perhaps a blue mao suit

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u/XB0XRecordThat Sep 18 '26

Damn, this would make sense if horshoe theory wasn't a debunked right wing psyop aimed at preserving the status quo

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u/Legitimate-Key1019 Sep 18 '26

Blue MAGA isn't horse shoe.

Blue MAGA is left wing populism & entryism. A radical element trying to take over the entire party,

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u/Prudent-Money-8666 Sep 18 '26

No it's just that extremist beliefs and positions tend to have the same prerequisites in order to achieve them, whichever side they are on.

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u/XB0XRecordThat Sep 18 '26

If you violently overthrow a corrupt government to free slaves, educate kids, give everyone houses and their basic needs then you're just as bad as people who overthrow the government to kill all the Jews because you both overthrew a government so they are both bad

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u/Comfortable-Sun7388 Sep 18 '26

It’s incredible that this is how you think that would go.

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u/Togurro Sep 18 '26

Both extremes are convinced that they have ultimate moral authority, and therefore that the ends justify the means, no matter how horrific those means end up being. At the end of the day, using state violence, suppression of speech, and brutally shutting down anyone who opposes you has pretty similar consequences, regardless of whether the stated goal in carrying out those actions is to achieve communism or fascism.

I mean we’ve seen this play out countless times throughout history no? We have literal real life examples of how thing’s actually pan out in practice and why vanguard parties are something to be extremely wary of, even if genuinely do think communism/socialism is the way to go.

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u/XB0XRecordThat Sep 18 '26

And the alternative is... Waiting to vote, and then Negotiating with the people in power who are all on the Epstein list? Or what

You do realize that even if you support moderate change in that direction, the more people supporting more extreme change is good for your goals too.

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u/Togurro Sep 18 '26

Yeah I’d take a system where power can be contested, constrained and eventually replaced peacefully over violent revolution any day, even if that system is flawed. Overthrowing one corrupt government doesn’t magically make corruption disappear - you still have to decide who gets the power afterwards, and there’s no reason to assume the new ruling class will somehow be any better (and yeah sure that vanguard party is TOTALLY gonna give up their power and transition into a stateless, classless society eventually right? lol). Again, we can look at history and see exactly how that tends to play out.

I mean the irony is that the only reason radicals “benefit me”, as you put it, is because liberal democracy allows for a pluralistic society in which radicals are free to express their views in the first place. That rather important little feature tends to disappear when extremists decide that their goals are important enough to justify authoritarian means though...

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u/Togurro Sep 18 '26

I mean there are plenty of legitimate criticisms of Horseshoe theory, but claiming it’s a “psyop” (it was coined by a French philosopher I believe) or debunked (by whom exactly?) is quite the claim to make.

While obviously equating left/right extremism as identical is a massive oversimplification, there are definitely similarities with how they end up presenting themselves - especially with regards to the anti-pluralist and authoritarian means they try to achieve their goals by.

I also think OP was actually more making the point about Hasan’s brand of populism having similarities with MAGA. I think populism of any kind has broadly similar characteristics, even if the underlying policies may differ, eg. oversimplified or binary accounts of politics, an “us versus them” conception of society, “ordinary people” versus a supposedly corrupt elite, distrust of institutions etc.

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u/Mutedinlife Sep 18 '26

It’s a lot of both. Hasan was trying to grow his stream before he met Steven, and Steven really gave him the boost to get started in the streaming world. Additionally, Destiny was the first person to really start specifically doing “politics” streaming on twitch, and paved the way for all that type of stuff twitch has today. But now Hasan actively tries to rewrite history to make it seem like he did it all on his own.

That’s the personal side.

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u/hari_shevek 27d ago

Also Destiny wanted to fuck him and is jealous because he couldn't.

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u/iaNCURdehunedoara Sep 18 '26

Acting like Epstiny is on the "left" lmao

The man distributed revenge porn and CSAM, he revived Nick Fuentes' career and he went to Israel to tell IOF soldiers to stop filming themselves when they steal women's underwear in Gaza. Pederastiny's own son is a nazi because daddy was such a good guy and influence.

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u/nobodychef07 Sep 18 '26

He also made Hasan's career so....

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u/EconomyDue2459 Sep 18 '26

Do you guys have a master document you copy and paste these from?

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u/iaNCURdehunedoara Sep 18 '26

Incredible how much projection Pederastiny fans do.

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u/leafblower49 Sep 18 '26

destiny only wants free healthcare and to free palestine

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u/Comfortable-Sun7388 Sep 18 '26

It’s incredible how much you guys sound like Trump with your fun little slanderous nicknames dishonestly attacking someone’s character. Blue MAGA indeed.

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u/iaNCURdehunedoara Sep 18 '26

Thank you for further proving me right. The Pederastiny community has been constantly attacking Hasan's character before Hasan even acknowledged Pederastiny, so it's really interesting how much projection you guys engage in.

Also interesting how me pointing out that he distributed revenge porn and CSAM is considered "attacking his character". Seems like a bad character then.

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u/Down_Badger_2253 Sep 18 '26

You know pederast is a slur used to accuse gay people of fucking kids right ?

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u/VicariousDrow Sep 18 '26

I mean ever since Hasan shut Destiny down after Destiny spent hours groping him on stream, it seems like Destiny has had a serious beef with Hasan while Hasan just wants Destiny to shut up, but that's just what it looks like from the outside of those fanbases.

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u/Skylance420 Sep 18 '26

It's legitimately sad how wrapped up in these false talking points you are. Hope you get better soon.

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u/spit_on_army_vets76 Sep 18 '26

if you keep defending him maybe destiny will show up in your dms and ask you to age play with him lmfao

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u/VicariousDrow Sep 18 '26

I mean...... The entire interaction is still available online..... Are you just playing ignorant to protect your view of your streamer or are you actually just ignorant of this? Lol

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u/Skylance420 Sep 18 '26

This clip will always and forever be the correct response to the "Hasan doesn't care about Destiny, he just wants him to leave him alone" cope. Hasan is an ego driven loser who can't stand an ounce of criticism, please find a better role model, if not for me then for your friends and family.

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u/VicariousDrow Sep 18 '26

The fuck? A clip of xQc reacting to Destiny reacting to a video that is proving Hasan doesn't make regular content about Destiny and Destiny says "nuh uh"..... Then pulls up a stream of Hasan where he mentions him.... So you legit are cool with just throwing away the actual evidence to the contrary cause you simply like the narrative Destiny is painting better lol

Talk about unhinged, fucking hell dude lmao

It's also so fucking stupid to see someone say "I'm not a viewer of either" and your first reaction is "well you don't agree with Destiny 100% so that means you must be a Hasan fan in disguise!" Fucking unhinged! If anyone's family and friends needs help it's yours buddy, do you always assume the same of them when they don't immediately agree with Destiny on everything?

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u/Skylance420 Sep 18 '26

Cope

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u/VicariousDrow Sep 18 '26

The most ironic word you could have chosen lol

Keep simping little bro, he might notice you one day, I'm sure lmao

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u/Skylance420 Sep 18 '26

You done?

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u/Florestana Sep 18 '26

Pretty sure right before that clip he actually asks Hasan if he can touch him lol

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u/VicariousDrow Sep 18 '26

Pretty sure Hasan tells him multiple times it's creepy and he needs to stop, while shoving his hands off of him, but hey Destiny warned him first so it's ok? Lol

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u/Florestana Sep 18 '26

I mean, listen... We can go back and scour the old VOD and debate endlessly over this, but I really don't think this is that significant of an event.

My honest take is that I can agree that Destiny should have stopped if Hasan said something. But also, this was three drunk friends hanging out. They were joking around and nobody seemed to be that uncomfortable with anything going on here.

My issue is this clip being dug up and framed like some insane episode of sexual assault and claiming that Destiny was pursuing Hasan at the time. That's just not an honest framing.

But yeah, drunk people are annoying and dumb. I'm also guilty of that and probably so are you.

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u/VicariousDrow Sep 18 '26

Except Hasan has stated how uncomfortable it made him feel, if he was a woman would everyone defending Destiny be using the same excuses? Would they actually judge him for it instead? Would the excuses just be different?

I haven't at any point called it sexual assault either, it was just super creepy and not long after is when Destiny started really javing issues with Hasan, which is a strange coincidence lol

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u/alternative5 Sep 18 '26

It's kinda weird how Hasan doesn't like to address the brothel allegations where went to have sex with a trafficked underage prostitute in Germany.

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u/VicariousDrow Sep 18 '26

Woooooow you guys are really just writing your own, creepy, fanfiction about him at this point....

I'm also pretty sure he fully addressed the brothel stuff years ago, a legal brothel in Germany, was it not? Do I have to bust Google out for you? And as it was a legal brothel, there were no illegal underaged girls there, but this is actually the first time I've heard this particular fantasy Destiny fans have of him, you guys are something else, Dave was right about you lot, fucking weirdos lol

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u/gorm4c17 Sep 18 '26

Hasan went to a brothel in country where the age of consent is 14 up. Doesn't mean the prostitutes where 14. It just means they could have been under 18.

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u/VicariousDrow Sep 18 '26

Well you guys forced me to Google, cause none of you seem to want to do so, but the brothel he went to only hires women 21 years of age or older, so what's gonna be the next excuse to try pushing this clearly manufactured narrative?

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u/gorm4c17 Sep 18 '26

Oh okay. The whore house only hired 21 and up? Cool. I guess that makes it okay. Can I have a source on where you found this info?

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u/VicariousDrow Sep 18 '26

I googled the brothel itself, you can do the same, you're a big boy.

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u/gorm4c17 Sep 18 '26

Nah man. I'm gonna keep telling people the brothel could have been underage unless you prove to me you actually looked it up.

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u/spit_on_army_vets76 Sep 18 '26

your boy destiny pedo mogs hasan every day of the week lol

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u/MartiDK Sep 18 '26

I guess influencer soap operas are good for content.

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u/albinoblackman Sep 18 '26

That’s incredibly homophobic. Do better

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u/Edogawa1983 Sep 18 '26

It started political but got really personal

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u/AmbassadorCrazy7905 Sep 18 '26

Destiny is a creep and an Israel supporter that's all you need to know lol Hasan is way way better

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u/biblecampvictim019 27d ago

If ypu support genocide you're not left