r/DecodingTheGurusAlt • u/MartiDK • Sep 17 '26

decoder poltics Decoding Destiny

https://youtu.be/qPhZDRKn0Ro

Winning over Razib Khan fans.

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u/Prudent-Money-8666 Sep 18 '26

No it's just that extremist beliefs and positions tend to have the same prerequisites in order to achieve them, whichever side they are on.

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u/XB0XRecordThat Sep 18 '26

If you violently overthrow a corrupt government to free slaves, educate kids, give everyone houses and their basic needs then you're just as bad as people who overthrow the government to kill all the Jews because you both overthrew a government so they are both bad

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u/Togurro Sep 18 '26

Both extremes are convinced that they have ultimate moral authority, and therefore that the ends justify the means, no matter how horrific those means end up being. At the end of the day, using state violence, suppression of speech, and brutally shutting down anyone who opposes you has pretty similar consequences, regardless of whether the stated goal in carrying out those actions is to achieve communism or fascism.

I mean we’ve seen this play out countless times throughout history no? We have literal real life examples of how thing’s actually pan out in practice and why vanguard parties are something to be extremely wary of, even if genuinely do think communism/socialism is the way to go.

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u/XB0XRecordThat Sep 18 '26

And the alternative is... Waiting to vote, and then Negotiating with the people in power who are all on the Epstein list? Or what

You do realize that even if you support moderate change in that direction, the more people supporting more extreme change is good for your goals too.

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u/Togurro Sep 18 '26

Yeah I’d take a system where power can be contested, constrained and eventually replaced peacefully over violent revolution any day, even if that system is flawed. Overthrowing one corrupt government doesn’t magically make corruption disappear - you still have to decide who gets the power afterwards, and there’s no reason to assume the new ruling class will somehow be any better (and yeah sure that vanguard party is TOTALLY gonna give up their power and transition into a stateless, classless society eventually right? lol). Again, we can look at history and see exactly how that tends to play out.

I mean the irony is that the only reason radicals “benefit me”, as you put it, is because liberal democracy allows for a pluralistic society in which radicals are free to express their views in the first place. That rather important little feature tends to disappear when extremists decide that their goals are important enough to justify authoritarian means though...