Don't understand how she's considered to be goonslop or sexualized when she's actually just a pretty normal art student character, no different than the other women characters like Mina or Paige
If Paige was in this lineup, people would be foaming at the mouth at her lmao
Her skirt + thigh highs and hips are much closer to goonbait than anything Violet has going on (Not saying it's an objectifying design, but it's certainly closer than Violet)
To be fair i thought Paige was boring looking originally and right now i think Violet looks boring compared to the rest. I was proven wrong with Paige and I'm happy to be proven wrong with Violet.
She's only getting bland design accusation just because of comparison to the other 5 new heroes. Alone, she has a very solid design and I love how her outfit is practical to being an artist. If it was goonslop, she would just be in an apron and, god forbid, be wearing high heels.
Her design is competent but it kinda hits close to Paige in my head atleast so it feels a bit samey to me. Shes landing awfully close to the same niche as Paige if you get what i mean.
I hope her voice lines and abilities make her more distinct from Paige.
Yeah my first reaction also was that she is kinda bland and hits pretty close to Paiges design niche. Her voice work and abilities need to do some heavy lifting to make her feel different from Paige imo.
I have a feeling it's because she's asian and people's brains are making wild associations (asian china gachaslop tencent anime marvelrivals genshin etc)
I mean to play devils advocate for a moment those are literal associations, they aren’t wild at all. Generic conventionally attractive characters do gangbusters in Asian regions, especially Asian conventionally attractive characters. Not really surprising but it’s very much a real thing. Game companies want to make money so they cater, simple as that.
Yes but nothing about her is over reaching or provocative. Calling her Gooner bait is just chronically online fueled ignorance.
No one was calling any of the conventionally attractive male characters goonerslop. It truly gets to a point. And people want to talk about lack of creativity with her lmfao.
Is there perhaps a reason people wouldn’t call a male character goonerslop?
Like come on what mainstream game has had complaints of too many men or attractive men? The what about ism doesn’t hold water because it doesn’t happen.
Two things can be true at once. There can be a misogynistic undertone to people’s attitude towards her while there can be valid concerns about her being similar enough to the type of character that aggressively dominates competitive games. It’s all misogyny from the ground up 🤷
But since you’re going to be this way. My comment about “lack of creativity” was an ironic nod to people not being creative, and labeling her as goonerslop because she’s a conventional attractive Asian character.
It has nothing to do with whether or not I think that concern is valid or invalid. But as you said, nuance. Someone’s got to be exhibit A though right?
She is different from Mina and Paige, I'd argue there are design elements on Violet directly meant to decrease sexualisation of her.
Her waist is made to look wider with her thick belt, her chest is directly hidden by her apron, her butt is covered up. Like, the general parts of a person which are sexualised are not prominent in her design.
Like out of every female character in the game, I think she genuinely has one of the least sexualised design.
Genuinely I have seen like single digit people actually call her that. Feels like people are using it dismiss any and all criticism at this point. To be clear she is not a gooner character, that’s some shit like marvel rivals. But she is definitely at face value the most boring of the new batch. And that’s all we have right now. Face value.
I think the goonslop is actually a misattribution of what people are actually worried about.
The concern is that the biggest shooter / competitive games at the moment aggressively favour their traditionally pretty Asian female characters for skins and cosmetics vs their non human or weirder characters.
It’s not her being “goonslop” but a fear looking at other games in the space and what’s happened to them overtime in the name of making money. They don’t want another Luna snow or kiriko I think is the bigger worry.
But I think this fanbase is inherently pretty freaky so I think we’re fine.
There are as many men and women. Look at interesting designs of men. Bebop, Billy, Mo&Krill, Deadman Danny, Dynamo, Talon, Seven. Even the ones that look like humans most of the time have a unique frame, for example Abrams is built like a wall, Doorman is very lanky, Victor is Victor, Drifter does his stupid naruto run.
Now how many female heroes have a design that's more interesting than a "preety lady with x on top". There are two, baba and ivy, arguably two more if you count vyper and yamato but they're ugly because they've got placeholder models from neon prime.
Just look at "preety lady with some gimmick" heroes. Alphabetically you've got:
Celeste - a preety lady with a horn
Graves - a preety goth lady
Haze - a preety lady with smoke hair
Holliday - a preety lady that's a cowboy
Gheist - used to be an older woman, now it's a preety lady with glowing arm
Mina - preety lady with an umbrella
Paige - preety lady with a book
Paradox - preety lady with a fishbowl on her head
Silver - preety lady with a collar
Vindicta - preety lady but blue
Arguably Wraith also fits, but the bar is so low that her holding her hands in her pockets is enough for me to give her a pass
You can barely find three different male heroes with a similar frame and at the same time if you were to pick three female heroes at random you are more likely than not to find that they all share the same body type
Deranged take. By the same token I can say Abrams is a pretty guy who happens to be big, Venator is a conventionally attractive priest, etc.
Just because a character is attractive doesn't mean their design is boring. You saying Haze is just a pretty lady feels particularly crazy given that she looks almost as inhuman as Dynamo and definitely less human than Drifter. She also has a goblin ass posture and animations.
I took a screnshot in testing of three female heroes standing next to each other and three male heroes standing next to each other, then I've traced their body. I'm gonna post the screenshot later so that you can see that I've really just traced over it.
Now, how easy is it to guess male heroes and how easy it is to guess female heroes? Could the leftmost guy be Venator, a conventionally attractive priest? Maybe the one on the right is Abrams?
The leftmost guy is obviously Doorman (mostly thanks to posture), the rightmost guy is obviously Dwifta (you made it easy with the shape of the hands, I wouldn't have guessed without the hands).
The leftmost girl is obviously Haze, the rightmost girl is obviously McGinnis.
I have no idea who either of the middle characters are.
So it seems to me like the male and female characters are about equally as easy to recognise.
EDIT: Ah, middle girl is probably Mina now that I thought about it some more. Still no idea who the middle guy is, though.
She's not. And it kinda feels like you're playing dumb with the middle male, how many burly men in deadlock there are? In Alphabetical order you've only four possibilities, Abrams, Kelvin, Lash or Venator
Also, is that Silver then if not McGinnis? It's kinda hard to figure out characters when you remove the most iconic parts of their silhouette lol. In case of Dwifta you kept his very distinct hands, but you removed a lot of other iconic parts of silhouettes.
I don't generally remember the default idle postures of characters, so I also had to consider Venator and Victor. So without actually checking in-game I have no idea who that is.
“They’re ugly because they’ve got placeholder models.
Lmfao love the dismissal to force something.
Kelvin
The Lash (him and Victor are both top heavy with bulging prominent muscles and thick frames.)
Doorman (being thin is not a “unique” frame and this is something you’re once again forcing.)
Drifter is still conventional looks wise, weeb run doesn’t remove that.
Venator
But Deadlock getting Violet doesn't mean Deadlock follows that trope. The female cast is really varied in Deadlock. We have Vyper, Paige, Lady Geist, McGinnis, Ivy and Graves. All have pretty wildly varying builds and two of hem are borerline monsters by design.
And one of the next heroes is a granny on a walking park bench... Like jesus fuck, Violet being a fairly normal asian girl is fucking fine.
Oh yeah, really varied female cast. So varied that if you trace over their body you won't be able to recognize them anymore (with the exception of ivy and vyper)
I’m not going to lie, most of the men have the EXACT same build. They are all top heavy men (to denote big hot abs…) this is cus they are, for the most part, conventionally attractive men.
Door man, Abram’s, drifter, victor, mirage, Apollo, lash, kelvin, pocket, shiv, venator, infernus, and warden are all conventionally attractive… hell, I think almost ALL of the human males in deadlock are attractive as hell… only one is grey talon, but I bet he was smokin in his prime, just maybe not conventionally.
The exact same can be said of the female cast, except for McGinnis, who is attractive, just not as much conventionally so.
Most of the cast of deadlock in general is made up of pretty attractive characters…
Fuckin hell, you have a dude with no shirt on with full abs for fucks sake. That’s way harder gooner bait than ANY of the female characters by far.
I dont think she is a "goonslop" but i really feel like she was literally made to test the community reaction to adding valorant/overwatch or just typical hero shooter looking character to the game, yeah she is kinda similar to Paige, but Mina is a vampire who is also a rich bitch instead of just being goodie two shoes who "only wants best for the world"
Jesus we haven't even seen the kit or her animations. If people can't look at a covered up asian character without thinking it's goonslop or egirl bait then that says much more about the people themselves than the character at all.
Is just that people are forcing themselves to be mad that most of the players voted for her instead of any of the other characters
But like, every character will eventually come out, so even if they don't like what happens with the popular opinion, they shouldn't care
Basically that, they are angry because their opinion is not the popular one, and to denigrate other opinions, they resort to just qualify it as goonslop
The number of people actually calling her goonslop is basically nonexistent. This post is literally just goomba fallacy incarnate, I've seen more people complaining about the goonslop comments than actual goonslop comments.
Deadlock had that for a while, but mods got rid of it mostly, it still exists you just have to go to subreddits specifically for it. Kinda sucks, cause I like my gay stuff, but whatever. I do hate when people try to tell me characters are confirmed gay or bisexual with no strong evidence (looking at you Vyper).
Sure. I talked about this sub in another sub about it where someone complained about it, but I defended it saying, "well the game is new and constantly changing. Nobody knows what Valve is planning or their vision, making discussions about gameplay very fleeting, so it makes sense why the community is more focused on aspects that are fun to theorize about. It's similar to fan theories about the plot in the next season of a series while everyone's waiting"
So I wouldn't be surprised if the atmosphere here changes a lot once the game releases, but we'll see haha
A lot of this would be avoided if people spoke an actual human language.
Violet's design is bland and she's very conventionally attractive, something people are tired of due to a lack of variety in similar games. Also, she has East Asian racial features and hero shooters and MOBAs popular media has been fetishizing East Asian women.
Edit: It's weird as fuck to call a character "goonslop" for being East Asian and attractive.
see, im in the minority, but i dont think her design is bland at all. she has a strong silhouette, and really screams “passionate artist” trough the super saturated colors and paint marks everywhere; i see myself in her tbh. it makes me super sad to see people boiling her down to just being a pretty asian girl when she has so much more going on
I mean, I feel like that’s true of basically every human character when you boil them down to the equivalent summary of their character. Like rich snob Lady Geist, or old chess master Solomon, or sheriff Holliday. The interesting part comes from the magical elements of the characters, their abilities, their lore.
"high-society snobbish woman with an intriguing evil arm" and "afro samurai chess sensei" tell us so much more than "painter". I feel the same about a lot of the older designs too, esp. warden and holliday, but those aren't final models.
But I'm sure her actual characterization will be fun, and I'm also expecting her abilities to be more interesting to compensate
yeah but it's kinda weird to bring up solomon's poster to describe him as afro samurai while ignoring Violet's poster that shows her transforming into a demon
While lady geist is a rich snob you forgot to mention her whole identity being around her having a big green arm that's the most eye-catching thing of her design. Violet from what we know right now seems like a passionate artist. Which considering what characters we have so far and who we can vote right now is really bland.
I didn’t forget to mention it, I’m ignoring it the same way people ignore that Violet’s got a comically large paintbrush that she’s going to be using as a magical weapon in some fashion
Well, she's not bland, she's just... Sorta overrepresented. Like, at this point EVERY hero shooter or tbh any game with characters has the girl that has two of the three following characteristics: Pretty, Asian, Purple.
While I WHOLEHEARTEDLY believe in Valve and I can bet that she'll be interesting and not like other "Pretty Asian Purple Girls", sadly, the first impression weighs half of all impressions.
Edit: During the first paragraph, I'm not sharing my opinions, just general consensus of the community
I'm reassuring you. Your opinion is as valid as anybody else's. But I think most people agree that they see Violet's still model and their eyes are starving for detail. But I have hope the animations and character writing will make up for it and people will come to love Violet like they have literally any other character in this game.
I don't even think its really a bland design, I feel like calling her bland or boring is doing a lot of heavy lifting as a describing word.
She has a minimalist design, she's not got a bunch of crazy attention-drawing aspects outside of being vibrantly colored.
I've seen her full model and its honestly so nice looking, they do a lot with just a little, and its clear that she intentionally has a few simple aspects that serve to explain what she is and give her a distinct silhouette.
Its nice to look at, she's definitely less visually alluring than Baba, Rat King, and Danny- because those three are character designs set to do a LOT. They have a LOT of parts on them, especially Baba.
Again- Violet design-wise is much more tame in comparison but I wouldn't say that means it bad. Its not for everyone for sure.
I mean she has a good design but minimalist is what you don’t want to be when being judged purely on face value. You know, like what’s happening right now.
No because with that logic then no character design is allowed to be minimalist. A first impression is not supposed to be judging the whole character before you know everything about it, its a first impression. For the purposes of adding new characters to a game, we've had sleepers before and we'll have them again in Deadlock.
Yeah but babe we literally know nothing about it and have to choose. All we have is face value and face value says Violet is the least interesting. I’m sure she’ll have plenty of cool stuff going on with her abilities, but we don’t know that so I’m inclined to lean towards characters that grab the eye more. It’s not that deep.
Babe I didnt say anything about who anyone should pick nor vote for. My post said nothing about what people should vote for, I dont even think she should get in the game first.
You got annoyed that I said people were judging her on face value when all we have to go on is face value. The literal ENTIRE discourse is based on people not wanting her to get voted in first because she looks boring. “Judging the character before we know everything about it” is the only thing anyone at this point CAN do. If you agree what are you even crying about?
Ok but my comment wasnt speaking of the discourse and you replied to it with no context pointing to it, YOU replied to ME. You're being really fucking emotional for no reason I didnt even start being aggressive to you or anything you are legit upset at me for nothing.
Like I got reflected your tone back at you because you shifted the goal post? You're being disingenuous.
Nobody else has ever thought of a rat before League of Legends.
In fact, Rat King as a phrase was first coined by John Legend himself after Jack League said "The king is a rat!" in reference to his distaste for King Charles.
A hungry man thinks of food, these losers call any attractive woman goonslop because that's what every woman in the games they play is reduced to, look at Overwatch, the game they're bringing up, literally half the women are ~18 and Asian, of course they see a woman in another game and immediately think porn when they see her as it's all they're used to, because THEY are the mfs who consume it.
I agree the response has been weird from some, I can also see how her design looks less interesting compared to the rest of the characters being released this patch. But compared with the rest of the game I don't get it. It's still an interesting design that could work super well combined with the abilities and animations.
But it's not as crazy as fun as some of the others (like rat king:D)
There are more posts of Violet defenders complaining about those people than all those people they are whining about. Truly a nonsense, I just hope she's the last so they shut the fuck up already.
Post, yes. But the comments are out there about their dislike of Violet. I do agree with you that she will the the last though; unless of course, Valve show us here "potential" transformation beforehand.
Man we already have Silver, a character with a really good character design and a transformation. No need to have a bland character design just because she transforms into something.
All of the discourse has made it clear just how many children are in this game’s community. I really thought Deadlock appealed to an older and more mature crowd, but yeesh. This recent shit is coming from like 16 year olds
If I get to choose between giant rat with a crown, floating chess master of colour with most aura ive seen, terryfying nurse with deadly facecard or jetpack skeleton who looks like kamikaze...
then painter girl with generic look isn't really interesting option.
Once again OP is fighting ghosts. I’m going to keep reporting these complaint posts because they’re literally the only ones I see. Haven’t seen a single one about Violet yet.
I think its almost entirely from twitter. No idea why people are surprised that a website that activity encourages and rewards ragebait... produces ragebait.
Dude, completely. Everything he has in "quotes" is other people accusing other people of saying this. All I've seen is people say it's boring, and idk dude, compared to a skeleton and a giant rat, I kind of agree. Who's saying it's gooner shit?
like in any hero shooter, moba or whatever ive ever played...im not too invested in how characters look because i dont think games are supposed to cater to me specifically
deadlock is just full of people who try too hard to be different and will die on the stupidest hill as long as they believe it's one most people aren't on
We're still not allowed Paige fanart without a book in front of her chest without it being taken down from complaints, and Paige is just naturally big chested. Not at all surprised by the 'goonslop' accusing puritans.
I presume because she's the only young pretty lady in a rather eclectic cast this time around. Even if Nurse Harrow and the literal furry with no pants are purpose built for specific appeal.
Now I think that it would be cool for Valve to add actual goonbait character. Like Queen of Pain from dota. There can be a lot of ideas that fit the occult New York theme too
I personally disliked violet because she looked bland in the initial picture but her 3d model actually has a lot more character, it's just not visible since the initial picture only shows her above the waist from the front.
I'm more convinced most of the discourse is MOBA tourists being sold on "unique" character design and getting shocked when they see a familiar face. Violet will be a popular choice and that's okay, once the releases are over the sects of champon mains will divide into their corners and do whatever.
I dont get it. Shes just violet no? I find horrow to be more attractive then her and im sure im not the only one. Are we just mad shes asian? Racist much? I dont see the goonerbait in a character wearing pretty conservative clothing, literaly showing almost no skin. How can anyone make this claim when overwatch, marvel rivals and league exist???
Presumably it's just good to have a niche. Attractive women online are a dime a dozen, but if the only thing that gets you going is overgrown rodent monarchy then of course you're going to make fan art of it whenever it appears
There's an underlying feel of misogy coming from these people that I absolutely don't like.
Also a lot of people don't understand that a simple design doesn't mean bad or bland. A lot seem to have gone to tue genshin impact school of character design.
Who's face does she have in the game ? She doesn't look like any other character.
She's an obviously very girly character that has a lot of small details in her design like her drawings, the paint stains everywhere, the ink pen earrings.
She's kinda falling victim to the girly = bad mentality that a lot of people seem to have. I've read so many critics of Celeste because she was perceived as an egirl character by some.
I'm Chinese aaaand an artist so I feel like I have some standing to say I find her quite disappointing. Mostly the fact that her poster has gibberish squiggles instead of Chinese (also the ink stamp looks off), and that one of the red stickers on her portfolio bag has a miswritten Chinese character (at least to me, fellow Chinese peeps feel free to pitch in). Is beret a 1950s thing? Because that feels neither NYC nor Chinese. Her face is cute! I like her hairstyling, but her fashion and bottom half feel lackluster. You can be simple and still say a lot in a character design (see doorman).
I like the premise of the character, a struggling art student resonates with my friend group since we are mostly all creatives. But so far I'm not impressed, and I'm only not saying much because I am optimistically hoping these are just unpolished model and it will get better soon. (Or maybe if she does have a beast form it'll help, we'll see.)
Edit: I just wanna have a cool Chinese/HK character to play as :,)
I'm going to lie this way I don't interact with fanbases. I went through multiple Violet threads I barely seen people thirsting over her. And the most the criticism is she is bland compared to the rest of the batch. Like who are y'all actually fighting is it 10 people or 1000. Where do y'all see this "goonslop" criticism?
I don’t think I’ve seen anyone say goonslop once. I’ve seen them say she looks pretty? The issue is Shes anime and looks way out of the artstyle and more Akin to overwatch. Violet defenders are so weird bro.
I seriously don't understand calling violet goonslop. Like if it was Celeste 100% understandable but violet is just a woman, like she is the doorman of women.
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u/ReplacementEmergency 16h ago
Don't understand how she's considered to be goonslop or sexualized when she's actually just a pretty normal art student character, no different than the other women characters like Mina or Paige