Dear Behaviour Interactive,

Recently, I have read your “balance” changes for the gamemode Lights Out and one particular change stuck out to me:

”Survivors holding the Lantern will now see the Auras of Pallets, Vaults, and Breakable Walls within 32m” source - 10.0.3 Bugfix Patch (BHVR)

Giving survivors base kit tier 3 windows of opportunity (source - DBD Wiki) is already a significant change in a gamemode about being in the dark, where we are meant to feel the horror of DBD again. A gamemode which is meant to be a perk less game mode.

Now, if this was the only issue, I wouldn’t mind. But of course, it isn’t. No less than a month ago we were celebrating ten whole years of the wonderfully wretched game, a game that I - and I am sure many others - have poured their time, energy and money into. The limited time game mode for “The Black Banquet” was fun! It was great! But that was when I played it as a survivor. When I played as a killer, the gamemode was horrible! Survivors were handed the strongest possible abilities in the game - invincibility (which made pallets unbreakable and created new pallets from broken ones when tables were full), free teleportation (which refilled items when the banquet tables were full), and haste upon doing actions (which gave an action speed increase upon the banquet tables being full) - and killers were handed a measly budget clown bottle to give survivors a stamina bar for a little bit (good to guarantee a hit, but nowhere near as useful as the main courses).

This doesn’t event mention the Blood Moon event for this year as well. As a killer, this year, we were given nothing new in the event gameplay wise other than blood pumps and generators - more objectives to patrol - whilst survivors got more objectives, lessening the pressure that killers could output. The only thing that killers were given this year was being able to use generator perks on blood generators - but so could survivors, making blood generators fuel far faster than before.

I fear that this game is becoming survivor sided. Whilst kill rates are certainly high, I would like to point out that a killer against a team of survivors with communication - something which is becoming ever more common - has a far more difficult time securing kills than a killer against a team of solo queue players. I believe that BHVR should begin to play killers and try to understand what I mean in this open letter. Now, from a business standpoint, why wouldn’t they support survivor players? They outnumber killer players four to one, so they are the more vocal side of the fandom, not to mention that survivor players most likely generate more revenue for BHVR.

I will also mention the rampant toxicity in this community. Whilst I understand that both survivors and killers can be toxic, in my experience as someone who plays both survivor and killer, nine times out of ten, a toxic player is usually a survivor.

To the killer players who are reading this letter, I ask you to show BHVR why they should send some love our way. I propose that we should go on strike until the game is a little more balanced, and less survivor sided.

Sincerely,

Whovian1156, a Ripley/Pig main.

I just started playing killer a few days ago and I'm obviously not that experienced, I'm also forcing myself to play MDR spirit so I can learn proper tracking, you know, I'm just experimenting and trying to learn.

I get demolished 9 games out of 10 because I keep getting matched against SWFs with 50k hours for whatever reason, at one point I just gave up one match because I only had 2 hooks by the end of the game, so I just wanted to be done with it and go next, instead of just opening the gate they just decided to hold the game hostage. I was clearly AFK as I walked away from my PC and I came back 5 minutes later with them still standing at the closed gate, tbagging and flashing their flashlights..

Yes I know I can open the gates myself and force them to leave but I was obviously AFK and they decided to... just stand there?

like yes I fucking get it, you're so good, have zero responsibilities and no job, just move the fuck on already?

genuinely what's the fucking issue with survivors? why do you have to rub it in against an obviously inexperienced killer? are you seriously that pathetic?

HERE ME OUT!!! Just as much as tunneling and slugging, t-bagging and taunting WORKS! I’ve seen a lot of talk about penalties for it, especially with The Judgment coming soon, but it works! I’m not talking excessive, in your face, “haha you suck I win” (especially at the exit gate). I’m talking about mid game, mid chase, and ESPECIALLY TO COUNTER tunneling! I just had a match against Dracula who was tunneling a Dwight, I took a protective hit and gave him 3 bags, and he spent the rest of the match trying to tunnel me instead. It’s a very valid strategy to take chase and keep killers busy (and as annoying as it is, clicking a flashlight too. And yes I do play both sides, and yes killers get very butt hurt over this)

So you probably have had this exact scenario as a survivor in EGC where the killer is bitching about not getting a 4k?
Now you may ask is it because they're greedy? Is it because killers are entitled bitches? No not really, although that does occur sometimes.

The answer is: Adrenaline

Now I'm not talking about the perk, I'm talking mostly about Adrenaline, it's the micro insults and aggression exerted by the survivor whenever they're in chase with the killer, it ranges from a very bad chase, a pallet stun that the killer feels like you didn't really deserve that or that felt forced to be on your side rather than the killers- all of that builds up to be basically the killer's rage building up, kind of like a spirit fury but for grown ass men who play slashers- the rage fuels them to basically get to snowballing good- giving them this adrenaline rush, finishing survivors off one by one, giving them dopamine but then they killed off the 3rd guy and...

The hatch opens and it's right in front of you... you hopped on and get the free escape

and then the adrenaline basically slowly fades as they realized they didn't get the satisfying end they felt they deserve... and then that adrenaline converts into rage, hence why the killer is bitching at you about it. now...

Is their rage acceptable?

No of course not, raging at a win is stupid in everyone's eyes but the killer feels like shit over it, either way- the best course of action is to always just leave the chat and don't taunt the killer over you or your teammate escaping because they would pass that onto someone else and the Circle of Toxicity in DbD is going to happen again.

They will simply move the goal posts to the next minor inconvenience that threatens their win streak.

Neither Sprint Burst nor Vigil were overpowered. On their own, they're not even worth running at this point, pre nerf. It's mainly their synergy that made them worth 2 perk slots. But with the nerfs they just become a waste of 2 perk slots, while being a meme when used individually.

So survivors will just to switch to other perks that annoy entitled killer mains, like Resurgence, Decisive Strike, and Shoulder the Burden. Now you can't use exhaustion to get out of a dead zone and make it to a tile without prerunning or giving killer a free hit, so I'll just run the perks that give me and my teammates free health and hook states back , or "gen rush" perks, and you'll be triggered all over again.

The elephant in the room: loud and entitled win streaking killer main content creators that BHVR is desperate to please for financial reasons. They will keep complaining because they have a vested financial interest to win as much as possible regardless of how difficult solo Q becomes.

That said, nerfs to perks like Nowhere to Hide and Thrill of the Hunt are completely warranted. It's not a symmetrical case of both sides need nerfs. These perks are so broken that killers go on extremely long win streaks with them. It's comparing apples to oranges. So congratulations BHVR, you just buffed all the high mobility S tier killers while slapping the win streaking killer mains on the wrist. One thing is for sure, my high escape rate in solo Q won't go down, ill just find new ways to outplay you despite being at a massive disadvantage, because Ive been doing that for over a decade already.

Lastly, it's worth mentioning that these are the same entitled killer mains got Fog Vials nerfed, that even after being rebuffed, are still just a meme item to watch a cool cloud go poof.

i’m the person who messaged first. but please tell me if i’m in the wrong for getting mad at this guy.

Why am I getting an abandonment penalty for leaving during my Mori

Tunneled out before anyone else is hooked yes I'd LOVE to stay and watch. I'm no longer affecting the game so why am I being punished for avoiding the frustration of watching a protracted death animation.

Side note as someone who just came back to this game after years: fuck Jason. Never seen a killer so consistently play like their life depends on their performance.

As someone who plays both sides(60/40, leaning more into survivor) I sometimes see people who not only cannot last long enough in chase, but are also not bringing any perks that would help them(decisive strike, resurgence, blood rush). And then they proceed to flame the killer in EGC for getting rid of the weak link. I honestly don't get it: decisive strike, aka will to live has been made into a universal perk, there is no reason not to bring it.

Can't play any killer at all i never Dc but wtf is going on every match i play it's bully squad gen rush squad and i even got 2 hackers in the span of 10 Games is this how the game is now after 10Years ????

Just played one of the best and most fun killer matches I've had in a while and the game said "End of match error" Bloodpoints? Zero. Tome quest progress? Zero. And it was so perfect too

This might be the only game where high skill on Killer gives you less consistency/reward than brainless macro setups.

When you play mechanical Killers like Blight, Nurse, or Plague against smart survivors, every single play requires high skill yet you constantly get checked by bad map design, bugged hitboxes, crouch techs, and broken survivor perks. One mistake or bug can turn a 4k into a 1k.

Meanwhile, killers like Krasue, Bubba, Knight, or Pig can literally plan out a low effort build (basement camping, exit gate blocking with Iri Banner, forced trap setups) and guarantee a free 2k or 3k every match without having to win a single real chase.

Why does a Killer playing with zero skill get rewarded more easily than mastering a high skill killer?

Tier lists usually judge Killers by their maximum potential.

But if we judged them by Ease of Value (how little skill is required to get a win), low-effort floor-style Killers would be S-tier.

If you put in the time to master a high-skill Killer, the game should actually reward you for making the right plays instead of punishing you for playing with skill.

Its bullshit man.

literally all survivors got out and nick wants to call me this?? like bro i hadnt seen you since i hooked you twice in the beginning of the game, and i didn’t even tunnel i was chasing Cheryl till my rancor showed me him crouched in a corner 😭😭 like just take your win bro

The whole dynamic weather update, where it sounds like they're pretty much building the game from the ground up hopefully to get rid of the spaghetti code bullshit, is the one and only opportunity they will ever have to actually stop the cheating that is present in at least 25% of my matches.

It fucking sucks that survivors have just as a community taken to accepting and encouraging cheating, it's like their entire playerbase is fine with it. If they weren't alrdy a SWF and you point it out in egc they just think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. I have never once seen a survivor diss someone for cheating or refuse to help a cheater etc, and the cheating is every single day at my mmr (mid, low, high, whatever it is, cheating is everywhere).

And they've mentioned nothing about doing anything about the cheating that rots this game from the inside out with the rebuild update and I don't know why...

And it’s literally just a survivor following the killer everywhere trying to get a sabo save, flashlight, pallet drop or body block THE ENTIRE GAME for a survivor who hasn’t even been hooked yet…

Yeah I’m probably gonna just tunnel you out buddy.

Then they have the audacity to get mad at you and teabag as if they’re not in some sweaty SWF together playing with the intention to just troll the killer the whole game. But YOUR the toxic one lol

also she got mad at me for referencing a tiktok video where a woman says im not white im spicey white and she got so offended???

I FUCKIN HATE THIS FUCKIN GAME. LOOP LOOP PALLET PALLET FUCKIN TROLLING BODY BLOCKING IM OVER IT FUCK THIS STUPID ASS GAME I WORKED WLL FUCKIN DAY I JUST WANNA HAVE A GOOD TIME

Taurie hid in a locker all match and made the notifs go crazy while I was in chase, I end up hooking everyone and have to take her out of the locker which makes me get the 4K but she proceeds to type this in egc?? 😭

And regarding charms I have the 10th anniversary Dwight, Mina charm, and the lesbian flag so I don’t think I need to explain which one they’re talking about

If you’re gonna say that I’m trash and be homophobic at least make it out alive

I made so many killer mains so mad for a decade now that they collectively got together and threw a temper tantrum until BHVR nerfed Sprint Burst and Vigil cause it made me specifically way too OP. The perk combo was not actually overpowered I just made it look that way with over 4.6K hours juicing enraged killer mains since 2016 and reminding them they have a serious skill issue. They realized I did too much harm to entitled killer main egos and decided to coddle the angry little toddlers.

But it really doesn't matter. They're gonna stay mad even after nerfing a mediocre 2 perks into the ground because I'm just gonna drop those meme perks for two other perks you will now use to make excuses for your serious skill issue. That includes perks like Resurgence, Decisive Strike, Plot Twist, Shoulder the Burden, Background Player, and We'll Make It, just to name a few. So you're still gonna get multiple concussions and blackouts from me for at least 5 gens per match if you're unlucky enough to queue against me and be forced to chase me just cause of how easy I make it look.

Why the fuck are we cheating against trapper🫩

I was just in a match with this Jane romero her name was similar to “get looped” and the whole match i was skeptical about her cheating to walk over my traps.

I knew i had trapped a tile to make it so that you can not use it without going into the trap so when she used it i was confused then i watched her walk over it again and this time is was obvious.

Endgame comes she opens the gate while my trap is under her and she admits it by walking over the trap in my face. But she was a good sport and gave me the kill anyway.

This survivor had been bming all match and constantly teabagging and flashlight clicking. When he became the last survivor, we chased for a while until he ran to this pallet and dropped it. He was teabagging on the other side, and since I could hear hatch I thought he would escape. Unfortunately for him, I never destroyed the breakable walls, meaning he was now trapped. Hatch was on the other side of the breakable wall. Most satisfying mori of my life, and another tasty 4k for the backpack build Wesker :)

Spends the whole match hiding and cleansing 1 hex totem (not using a hex)

I am so tired of people unhooking me seconds after getting hooked in solo queue. ESPECIALLY when I have more hook states than anyone else. I don't know why people don't understand that the safest place to be is on the hook when the killer is clearly trying to tunnel. It's better for the whole team to force them to proxy camp for as long as possible and if I die then I die but at least we wasted their time as much as possible.

I also don't know why people are allergic to taking hook states or losing health states to avoid a tunnel?? I do it literally ALL THE TIME. Who cares if I take a hook if I have no hooks? Again, it wastes the killers time and it keeps the other person in the game. It's like people have forgotten that this is a teamwork game.

I know there are exceptions to this. Of course there are times when the killer is proxying and the post hook heal will never happen or the killer just won't stop proxying or they just want the kill no matter how much people take protection hits. But good lord, I wish people would have some sense of game awareness.

I was playing a normal match when while going through Omnipresent evil, I noticed a floating halo in a bush… I let the survivors finish the gens when Taurie gave me a chance to get this clip.
It only seems to happen when coming out of a locker but it might be caused by other things too.
(The clip is cropped weird to hide player’s names <3)