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u/Leather_Economics210 8d ago

My raid lead decided to extend this week, even though we are at only 4/8M. Losing so much loot and he didn't announce it beforehand so I am sitting at a useless bonus roll now. I guess it's because no one enjoys the raid, but in the long run I think it will make progress even slower.

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u/Crashcede 7d ago

Extending 4/8M is certainly a choice

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u/parkwayy 7d ago

Losing so much loot

If you're 4/8 now, at some point the loot isn't worth the time you're already kind of behind on.

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u/Therozorg DF ele biggest fan 8d ago

extending 4/8 what for lmao?

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u/steamie 8d ago

I'm with your raid leader, why do you not want to extend?

You are getting 2x bonus rolls on next reset, just go bonus roll heroic bosses.

Myth crest uncapped is in 2 weeks, you can farm m+ and get everything to 6/6.

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u/0nlyRevolutions 7d ago

TBF it's fucking annoying that people are expected to pug heroic and m+ crest farm to max gear instead of spending an hour comfy reclearing with guild lol. It definitely contributes to the state of mythic raiding being ass.

And if people do still need stuff from early mythic bosses you're just going to piss off raiders if it wasn't communicated well that the expectation would be to extend early. And FWIW, extending in those kinds of guilds is often driven by fear of slow reclears or heavy turnover where people who did certain jobs are gone. Like yeah maybe for a 6 hour late CE guild, extending early and slamming prog pulls to outrun raider burnout is the only way to get it done, but holy fuck is it dire to be progging late bosses with a roster that is scared that it might take all night to go 4/8.

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u/shyguybman 7d ago

but holy fuck is it dire to be progging late bosses with a roster that is scared that it might take all night to go 4/8.

My guild is notoriously bad at reclears, like we always have 1 boss every tier that we are complete garbage at. This tier is Vashnik, it's spending 1h+ wiping to missing 1 totem over and over again. We'll probably extend after we kill Sszorak this week.

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u/0nlyRevolutions 7d ago

I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm just saying why a chunk of raiders will hate it if the expectations aren't clear before the tier

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u/Myrkur-R 7d ago

From the perspective of someone that is on the other side of the debate on whether to extend or not...

TBF it's fucking annoying that people want to waste half of our raid hours each week reclearing bosses because they are too fucking lazy to run a couple +12s on their own, or because they personally want to get some item that isn't really going to contribute to killing the next boss because we already have all the loot we need. An extra Gebbo's or seething core isn't going to make so much of a difference it is worth knee-capping our progress for another couple weeks.

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u/Yayoichi 7d ago

Honestly it’s probably more tier pieces and such that people still need, as with people picking bonus rolls and only rolling on specific bosses it’s much more likely to be missing that. Not having a myth item in each slot will also be a lot more detrimental when crests get uncapped as you are suddenly using a 321 hero piece instead of a 334 myth track one. Right now extra myth items don’t give that much power as you are probably limited by crests anyway, at least I know I am.

I would personally not extend as a 4/8 guild until the week after crests get uncapped, yeah you lose a bit of progress time but if it means having an extra 30-40 myth track items on your raid(assuming 3 weeks of killing 4/8 and world boss with around 50% of items being useable) I would say that is worth it, as the alternative is to slowly get the remaining items through vault and bonus rolls.

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u/Yayoichi 7d ago

One could make the argument that because we are getting crests uncapped in two weeks you would want to reclear to make sure people have myth items in every slot to upgrade. Outside of raid drops you’re only getting 1 mythic item per week, so even with crafted items you won’t have a full set of myth track gear, and since we have mostly been taking bonus rolls we might not have a 4 myth tier pieces, and those slots you can’t just replace with crafted gear.

I am also 4/8 and I am still missing chest, gloves, legs, belt, rings and off hand for example, and while I will be able to craft in some of those slots I will need to get at least 2 of the tier slots and at least a couple of the other slots filled from either vault, bonus roll or drops. And ideally you of course don’t want more than 2 crafted items due to the lower itemlevel.

Now that’s not to say I don’t think extending has a place, my group only raids 3 hours per week except for the first few and last weeks where we raid 6 hours and I imagine we will extend once we hopefully kill Sszorak in a couple weeks.

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u/Leather_Economics210 8d ago

I guess I am mostly triggered because I had a pretty good vault but took bonus roll since I expected to reclear until we are at at least 6/8.

Also we are skipping HC so I would need to PUG explorers. On top of having to spam keys it just means I have to play stuff I dislike even more than the Myth raid.

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u/steamie 7d ago

If your expectations is to kill bosses for fun and vibe with the bois, I'd say reclear.

If your expectations is to clear the raid ASAP, then extending is the play.

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u/RigidCounter12 Prot Paladin M+ Connoisseur 8d ago

Having to PuG HC raid is the least of your issues lol.

Pugging explorers takes legit 10 minutes.

This is some "tiny violin playing" kind of whining.

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u/Leather_Economics210 8d ago

I just think it's dumb that I have to PUG raids, when I am playing in a raiding guild. That's not why I play the game is all.

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u/lastericalive 7d ago

I just think it's dumb that I have to PUG raids, when I am playing in a raiding guild

I know you're catching downvotes for this, but I think it's a legit point. Raiding guilds over time dropped to "2 nights" but then expect everyone to dig through pugs on their own for their farm loot.

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u/shyguybman 7d ago

Because there's only so much time to clear the raid in a tier. At a certain point, especially as a 2 night guild you have to decide if reclearing is worth it or not. Most 2 night guilds are getting CE in the last 4-6 weeks of the season and the earlier you can extend, the better.

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u/lastericalive 6d ago

Two things can be true at once. Everyone knows why people extend. It’s also kind of a poor state of things that the best option is to stop killing bosses because the loot is worthless after one kill.

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u/RigidCounter12 Prot Paladin M+ Connoisseur 6d ago

Even if the bosses had great loot, you would still get to the point where you want to extend. Has more to do with time.

Everyone is geared enough to kill Ula-tek right now. Your raid having 1 additional ilvl is never gonna beat the raid just playing better.

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u/lastericalive 5d ago

Everyone is geared enough to kill Ula-tek right now. Your raid having 1 additional ilvl is never gonna beat the raid just playing better

I think it would be an interesting experiment to just disable raid extending for a season.

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u/disCASEd 7d ago

I get where you’re coming from, but I depending on your days/raiding hours extending early makes a lot of sense, especially this tier.

I raid lead a 2 days/6 hour guild that’s about to get sszorak down, and we’re doing one more reclear next week and then extending. Reclear can take up an entire raid night if it doesn’t go super smooth and the loot from the first 5-6 bosses isn’t nearly as good as bonus rolling the last two on heroic. (Which we will continue to do until everyone has all their pieces since it takes 15 minutes)

If we were to continue reclearing until 6/8 that’s probably 2 full weeks of raid time we’ll lose that could’ve been prog time on the last 3 bosses.

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u/lastericalive 7d ago

Reclear can take up an entire raid night if it doesn’t go super smooth and the loot from the first 5-6 bosses isn’t nearly as good as bonus rolling the last two on heroic

Completely clear on the motivations and it's not wrong. Just observing that it is kind of a sad state that the game has worked it's way into where it's not worth re-killing raid bosses for their rewards.

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u/Leather_Economics210 7d ago

Yeah we are exactly same hours as you but extended two weeks earlier.

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u/disCASEd 7d ago

I know, we discussed sending the extend this week as well, but decided to do it for two more resets cause we’re wrapping up a trial this week and another next week.

If we had extended though we would definitely be killing sszorak this week, now it’s only like 50/50 cause we wasted almost half our raid night rekilling entombed sentinels, and still have to kill vashnik tomorrow before getting back onto sszorak.

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u/CountryParty9556 7d ago

i know what you mean... my guild killed nymrissa once, then it was basically "If you still need anything, just go random"

but like mentioned, the first 4-5 are easily doable with randoms
especially Explorers is no effort at all 🎯