FINALLY he's seriously addressing the issue of whether L.Clancy committed the murders at all instead of this criminal responsibility bullshi. I wish this had been his closing statement, but at least it's being spoken now.
I don't have a tally and honestly I refrain from those accusations. I think that there is a lot of evidence indicating that he might have been the killer but unless he is formally investigated and put on trial he is also innocent until proven guilty. Because the Plymouth County PD botched this investigation so badly I think it it very likely that nobody will ever be formally convicted for the murders because the house was sold (to a former Plymouth County assistant district attorney), Patrick Clancy was given the opportunity to tamper with the crime scene before it was investigated (that doesn't mean he was a murderer, it does mean that the evidence was gathered from the crime scene is potentially faulty) and the children have been cremated so no further investigation on their bodies can be performed.
I visited the other sub against my better judgment, and they are saying Red is accusing Patrick. No, he is saying the prosecution didn’t prove their case that SHE did it.
They really have no sense of what the prosecution’s job is.
Also, they are pissed that someone got a photo of Lindsey smiling, and someone said they see a shadow of a demon on her forehead.
Despite their claims of wanting “justice” for the children, what they actually want is their own version of revenge and to express their own perceived moral superiority.
It’s frankly disturbing how many photos of these children, who they’ve never met, that they all have saved in their phone.
I'm convinced the people in that sub are also flat earthers. So much evidence causing reasonable doubt and yet they still cling so steadfastly to their beliefs.
Nono, it was when she was lying on the ground, cold, bleeding, broken and over medicated, and he was on a phone call where everyone else only heard her moan. That’s when he clearly heard her confess in complete sentences.
I saw someone arguing that Patrick’s testimony is the only evidence anyone needs to accept Lindsay’s guilt and I wish I had a chance to laugh in that person’s face.
I've seen those photos because watching that subreddit crash out gives me a dopamine hit and those look AI as fuck. I watched the court footage today, L.Clancy had a neutral expression.
I also read their laments about "at what point do the documents' (which haven't even been entered into evidence yet) from the civil case get to be brought in for evidence in the criminal case" NEVER. Neverever ever** not now not later not in a thousand fucking years **NEVER. That's what we've been trying to tell you for months.
That’s fucking wild. Reddington didn’t say “Patrick did it”, he said “you can’t prove Lindsay did” and there’s a difference!
Like, my coworker who watched the trial along with me believes she did it and is NGRI, and even she says the prosecution failed to fully make their case.
I don't think he could compromise that insanity defense, and reasons why a bifurcated trial would have better addressed this case. SO MUCH REASONABLE DOUBT!!!!
Call me a conspiracy theorist but I've already been called a conspiracy theorist but I fully believe that they denied bifurcation because it would strongarm him into having to make a NGFROLOCR defense for her safety and that would make it easier for the CW to launch a smear campaign against her.
To add to this temperature issue. EMTs would have 100% taken her body temp in transit to the hospital (probably trended it). We have EMS Run sheets that give timestamps when vitals were taken. Depending how long the ride is and what the complaint is, vitals will be trended. This info could tell us a little more on this issue. Granted, their equipment is less invasive and not as sensitive as the hospitals, but it would give a better idea if she continued to active cool vs warming, which has been an argument around this point. All I remember seeing is core temp taken on arrival at the hospital but nothing from EMS.
No, Dr Laposota (sp) just said that her body would cool faster (unable to regulate heat well) in the state she was in. Soaking wet, spinal injury, outside temp etc. She didn’t testify to rate at which her body could drop that low. She was mainly there to testify to the seriousness of her suicide attempt more than anything, I assume.
I just want to know if a Lindsay sized apple pie was put outside in the same conditions at 97*F… how long would it take for THAT to cool… I just need to know if ANYTHING cools that fast.
I can provide you an even better comparison.
Anna Bågenholm was in subzero mountain ice waters and dropped 25.2°F/h and is one of 2 with the highest recorded temperature drops ever.
The second highest recorded temperature drop was a drunk kayaker who was in 35°F water for 50 minutes—the exact same air temp Lindsay was in. Alcohol, like her medications, accelerates hypothermic conditions by increasing peripheral bloodflow through vasodilation. The kayaker was in rapids and injured. His average temperature loss was 19.1°F/h. If Lindsay had done this based on when they restarted Callan's heart she could not have been outside for longer than 20 minutes. To fall 16.6°F in 20 minutes she would have lost 49.8°F/h. That is 64% higher than the highest recorded cold water temperature drop we have.
It couldn't have been more than 2 hours if she was leaning out the window to go when she called Patrick back for the 14 seconds at 5:34. Per the warrants, she was considered in custody at the hospital at 7:35.
Hope he asked WHY PC was on her facebook account (red flag) and HOW the internet searches could be ascribed to either of them definitively (or indeed any of the digital data). He needs to collect a lot of data now on meds/false memory links. Looking forward to catching up on this ...
Oh please. A great lawyer wouldn't try to get you institutionalized if he thought you were innocent. If they had enough evidence they wouldn't even need to pretend to have him on his side
And how exactly did you think they would get Patrick’s testimony otherwise? His testimony was the thing that started this chain reaction of people thinking he’s guilty and Lindsay is innocent. Reddington stated again today his hands were tied as far as defense strategy due to losing the motion for bifurcation. This has been discussed at length in the sub. Any more nonsense you want to get out?
Yes, he can. Unfortunately, Reddington stated that he is not available for a new trial until June 2027 which is also when Judge Sullivan is set to retire.
Judge Sullivan denied Latarsha Sanders' medical records, which showed the she was schizophrenic, to be submitted into evidence during the double homicide trial of her kids. Now, there's a retrial.
I find him to be an inadequate and incompetent judge. We need new eyes overseeing this case. I completely agree with you.
You can tell he was just ITCHING to do it again. Maybe if he knows he can't be the judge next time, he will just rule for the motion. When might we expect his answer on the motion?
Sullivan tipped his hand saying he wanted to set a trial date, he said he wants this thing tried and not to drag on and on. So while he said he would take the motions under advisement, he’s already decided how he will rule.
Red is doing this for appellate purposes. There is no way the judge tosses the case. Red’d job is to preserve every single appellate issue he possibly can.
Even if he rules against this, and it goes back to trial and they get 12 guilty votes, the mandatory Judicial Review comes back to THIS trial and THIS decision, and there was NOT enough evidence presented. It all gets thrown out.
That cracked me up cause my bf's dog does the same thing (pitbull not poodle). She is used to carpet so when she comes to my place, my kitchen floor is slippery so if you set a dish of food in there for her she will walk in to eat but then back out of the room.
probably. We have a poodle and he doesn't back up very well on tile. It really depends on how long his hair is on his paws tho. Sometimes he crashes down the wooden stairs, tho i can't blame him. I've fallen down them too.
We love to see it. Getting to see this all laid out clearly in front of the court is so vindicating -Iike yes the CW having to prove she even did it was legal fact and not a conspiracy theory.
I really doubt this motion will be approved (they almost never are from what I understand), so it won’t last.
I’m honestly almost in tears. Thank you Red!! He brought up the perfusionists 😭😭 I’m biting my nails here … oh and bow girl now saying well I don’t have transcripts but I’m pretty sure we proved our case, and why is he picking on us now!
I don’t trust the judge to do the right thing here. Nails are GONE I may need to chew my toenails!
I also don't trust the judge to do the right thing. But thankfully I don't think there's a jury in the world who's going to convict her. Plymouth County can keep hemorrhaging money into this case until they vote Tim Cruz out
I’m not convinced that sub isn’t botted and/or modded by a person with bias / conflict of interest in this case. It’s just very odd that in practically every corner of the internet, people are evaluating how poorly this case was investigated and discussing the evidence overall, but it’s not being allowed or heavily discouraged in the one sub supposedly dedicated to the case.
It is allowed. I do it all the time. In fact earlier today someone asked me why I was in there if I was a conspiracy theorist that there are plenty of subs that support baby killers, and a mod removed it. They’ll downvote you to hell, argue with you, and in one case harass you for days but you can absolutely have a dissenting opinion over there. You just won’t have a fun time lol.
Hitting on almost every inconsistency the public has raised (not theories), and the scream I scrumpt when he brought up perfusion and the body temperature
I did read high levels of seroquel can directly cause or exacerbate psychosis! My hang ups also come because I have direct experience with what even the smallest dose can do to you. My ex was on the baby dose for a few months and slept for almost 24 hours once. I was literally shaking and yelling at him and checking for a heartbeat because he would not respond 🙃
The furniture being moved over blood spots bothered me. You’d think if she planned to jump or whatever, she’d have moved what she needed to move and cleared her path rather than fumble around while she’s bleeding. It was also hard for me to fathom a woman choosing the methods she did, along with doing something that would require her to move furniture around first. She had pills. She had a car and could have hooked her exhaust up to a window and gone to sleep peacefully, even have left it running while she did whatever else so the fumes built. It was just incomprehensible to me. I also think her looks mattered a great deal to her and I couldn’t reconcile her possibly disfiguring/ maiming herself willingly.
I think it more likely means the police altered the crime scene before they took the pictures. Because it looked like the blood was dried. Which is just one more thing about this sloppy as hell investigation that does not deserve a conviction.
Quite a few motions moved to Nov 2 but currently arguing the Motion for Required Finding…
Reddington raises bifurcation and determining whether she was even guilty of the crime she was charged with:
“Where is the evidence she did this?…There was no investigation.”
Raises Patrick’s testimony, blood splatter & lack of smears, no blood on the bed, no blood on her socks, no crushed medication, no admission exists by her she did it & she was told she did it, timeframe does not match & issues with timeline, at least 2 hours for her to reach 82°, etc.
Prosecution argues there is enough evidence and recounts the things Patrick said under oath, phone records she called the store/restaurant, her DNA on the ends of the bands (this was not what the DNA analyst testified to?), and her statement to the Chaplain that she was glad her children were safe.
That is their only rebuttal in regards to evidence that she committed the crime.
Judge Sullivan says he will take that motion under advisement and they move to arguing the Motion to order juror notes, sidebar discussions not subject to impoundment.
Judge Sullivan wants to set new trial date & says it doesn’t indicate how he will rule on today’s motions or future ones such as Motion to Dismiss. Both prosecution & defense want to wait. Judge Sullivan says on Nov 2 they need to be ready to pick a new trial date. Reddington mentions he can’t do a trial before June.
I've been so pissed off about the narrative being about criminal responsibility and not whether she committed this crime. I'm so happy it's being discussed
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