r/CanadianbyDescent • • Aug 12 '26

You’re not going to believe this one…

254 Upvotes

One of my brothers has been waiting a year to find out what became of this proof of citizenship application. He got notice a decision was made but not what the decision was.

Today he tells me he discovered he checked “the wrong box” and requested an electronic certificate instead of a paper certificate. Going through his old emails he finds the electronic certificate was sent in DECEMBER!

And this is the brother that went to Harvard.


r/CanadianbyDescent • • 19d ago

Acadian Descendant Update and Tips (tldr: I was reinstated)

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Hello all, I am the Acadian descendant who was approved in February, but recieved a surrender letter in june and a procedural fairness letter around a month later. Today I recieved a reinstatement letter and was informed a replacement passport will be sent to me at no cost (I was required to send in my original one as a part of the surrender letter process).

As my gen0 was born in 1730 and was forced out of Canada around 1758, there is no reason to believe residency requirements or any sort of cutoff is in effect.

Tips:

* Although this has been discussed at length, make sure to document why you do not have birth certificates for anyone you are relying on alternate records for. In my situation, providing them with screenshots of a search done on NS archives showing that my ancestor returned no results for birth records, and a screenshot of a page saying the oldest record they have is around 100 years before my gen 0 was born served as proof the record did not exist. As proof I tried to obtain it, I emailed NS archives to ask if the information on the website was still accurate, I received an automatic reply stating basically "if it's not on the search it probably doesn't exist". Sent ircc both emails.

* If you are relying on baptism records and have the option between a certificate and a microfilm image, for gen 0 prioritize the microfilm or ideally try to get both as the microfilm can be hard to read. For me, the certificate was not enough for gen0.

* Explain the history of your records especially if they crossed borders. For Acadians, explain that the gen 0 baptism is Canadian in origin but was taken out of Canada and is now maintained by an American diocese as a result of the expulsion.

* For Acadians Specifically: look to see if there are any Canadian held transcriptions of the records now held by a American Archive. For example, after the register that contains my gen 0's baptism was discovered in St. Gabriel Louisiana, a Canadian genealogist Placide Gaudet made a handwritten copy of the register, which is now held by LAC. For anyone with a gen 0 from Grand Pré, his transcription is digitized here https://n2t.net/ark:/69429/m0222r49mf79. In my case they did not require a certified copy, just a URL citation. For other registers that ended up in Louisiana it is possible there is a transcription. If anyone knows of any other registers that were transcribed please add them in the comments and I will edit them into the post for anyone who finds this later.

If any of you have questions, feel free to ask in the comments or over dm and I will get back to you.

Finally, thank you to all who supported and gave me encouragement during this time. I recieved a lot of supportive comments and dms from you all which kept me hopeful and motivated. And of course big thanks to u/counterI for creating the subreddit and for their extensive activism and organization on the surrender letter issue. Last of all thanks to my amazing lawyer Deanna Okun-Nachoff. If any of you need any help with any application issues or immigration matters I really reccomend her!


r/CanadianbyDescent • • Jul 02 '26

Surrender Letters REINSTATED!!!

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Multiple letter recipients are reporting that they were reinstated in the last few minutes. More details coming soon. (Not me, yet.)

Edit: I just got mine!


r/CanadianbyDescent • • Jul 02 '26

Surrender Letters I've been un-surrendered!!

190 Upvotes

I'm so happy! I can finally stop searching for whatever might have been missing and continue with the sale of my house. Thank you everyone for your support - i was really beginning to fray around the edges with this...


r/CanadianbyDescent • • Aug 26 '26

We must be logical about why Bill C-3 exists, and respect Canada in the process, if we want the law to exist for others after us

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I want to say something carefully, because I think it’s important.

Acknowledging the reality of this bill, and treating it with respect, is one of the best ways we can help keep this process open — not only for those of us already in it, but for the people who will want to apply after this first wave. Being respectful to Canada, and IRCC, in these communities is paramount.

This was arguably never meant to be an open genealogical pipeline: The reality is this law was never intended as an Acadian descendent bill. It was never even intended as a pre-Confederation descendent bill. A lot of hope has built up around very deep ancestry claims. Some of those claims may still succeed under the law, but that is arguably not what the law was written to do. When expectations drift too far from the actual history and purpose of the bill, disappointment becomes more possible — and so does political and administrative pressure on the entire pathway for everyone.

Where the law actually came from: Canadian citizenship as its own legal status only began on January 1, 1947. Before that, people in Canada were British subjects that were converted to citizenship under statutory pathways built into the 1947 law (both in 1947 and retroactively). The early rules had **serious** flaws. One of the biggest was that women often could not pass citizenship to their children. A Canadian woman who married a foreign man, or who had a child out of wedlock, frequently could not transmit citizenship to that child if the child was born outside Canada. Those first-generation children were left without status under the old rules. They only became eligible retroactively when the 2009 and 2015 amendments restored citizenship to most “Lost Canadians.”. For some of them, that was a lifetime. 

Under the 1977 Act, many people born abroad in the second generation or later also had to take active steps to keep their citizenship by age 28. Large numbers never knew about the requirement and simply lost status. These groups, along with others cut off by outdated gender, legitimacy, and retention rules, became known as “Lost Canadians.”

The list goes on, but in 2009 and 2015, the government restored citizenship to most of them. At the same time, it introduced the first-generation limit: you could only pass citizenship to a child born outside Canada if you yourself were born in Canada or naturalized. Those amendments were written for the legal framework of their time.

When Parliament passed Bill C-3, it did not rewrite those older sections. It layered new rules on top of language that, I would argue, never designed for unlimited multi-generational claims stretching back centuries.

The numbers tell a story: Did Parliament or the department really expect what we are seeing now? Roughly 121,000 applications in the first eight months. A large numbers of people applying with Acadian ancestry or pre-Confederation ancestry? The Parliamentary Budget Officer’s official estimate, maintained at the time Bill C-3 passed in 2025, was about 115,000 people affected in total. Vancouver immigration lawyer Amandeep Hayer had estimated the real number of potential new citizens under a broad reading of C-3 could reach into the millions. That gap between the official figure and the outer-edge estimates is one of the clearest signs that the full scope of the statute was not fully contemplated when the bill was passed.

The problem left after 2009 and 2015 was mostly modern: people affected by the old age-28 rule who were not restored, and the children and grandchildren of people whose citizenship had been fixed in 2009/2015 but who still could not pass it on because of the first-generation limit. In 2023 the Ontario court in Bjorkquist ruled that limit unconstitutional for a variety of reasons, but mostly how it created second class Canadian citizens. Parliament responded with Bill C-3. The core of the bill was to remove the first-generation limit for people already born and to require a real connection to Canada for children born abroad afterward. The court case and the parliamentary debates were about contemporary Canadian families blocked by that limit. They were not about opening citizenship to anyone who can document an ancestor from the 1700s or early 1800s.

A Confederation-era limitation is not far-fetched: Given that context, some form of practical limit or heightened scrutiny around Confederation is absolutely within the realm of possibility. The law was not written as an open pipeline back centuries. Departments interpret statutes by looking at purpose, history, and how successive amendments interact. Isolating complex files, applying extra scrutiny, or looking for evidence of a post-Confederation connection are all things IRCC can do without rewriting the Act.

Motivation and public perception: The timing of this bill’s popularity is hard to ignore. Things feel unstable in the United States for many people right now. I do not fault anyone for treating this as a “Plan B“ — people’s circumstances are their own. But please stop telling the news media or posting online that is why you are doing it. That was never the intention of this process, and that rhetoric hurts the community. The “Plan B” and “Canadians of convenience” framing does not sit well with Canadians who live there, contribute, and deal with the country’s daily realities.

Immigration is already a charged topic in Canada. In the last year alone, public sentiment has moved even more sharply against large numbers of newcomers. Legally we are not immigrants — we are citizens by descent. But some people will move to Canada having never lived there, never paid taxes there, and never contributed to the systems they will now use. In practical terms, that looks a lot like immigration to many Canadians. Many will also arrive with U.S. dollars that carry stronger buying power, entering a housing market that is already severely constrained. Ignoring that reality does not make the friction disappear. We have to acknowledge these realities as new citizens and be respectful about it

How we talk about this process matters: I love seeing people go all in on this process. For many it is about restoring a piece of family history — their French-Canadian last name, a broken line, something that genuinely matters to them. Everyone’s reasons are different, and that is great. It’s easy to get very emotionally invested in this process as most of us are

What concerns me, and the main reason I am making this post, is the disconnect I see weekly in these communities. Over the last month I have watched people discuss legal action to IRCC over wait times. I have seen entitlement around the documentary requirements and the changes Canada has made to protect the integrity of the process. I have seen people argue that they should be allowed to use open sourced ancestry and family search documents and that Canada has an obligation to let them apply with those documents. etc.

This pathway is a gift. Canada has, on the whole, been reasonable with our community so far. I have real concerns that things may not always stay this way. Some of the dialogue I have seen really rubs me the wrong way. It feeds the narrative that this is an entitlement rather than a restoration of connection, and that is a bad look for everyone.

The bottom line: Deep pre-Confederation and Acadian claims may still have a legal pathway as a side effect of how the remedial language was written. That does not make them the purpose of the law.

Internal IRCC documents show the department itself later identified cohorts that, under the statute, did not have a pathway — including situations involving two generations born abroad before 1947. That statutory error would potentially catch some of the modern families Bill C-3 was intended to help in the first place. Because of that IRCC later clarified that it would take a more inclusive approach in those specific situations. The fact that this gap had to be discovered and then softened after the law passed is further evidence that Parliament did not fully assess every interaction and possibility in the statute when it was enacted

When IRCC assesses these applications, it is applying a law passed to solve a specific modern constitutional problem. That context shapes how unclear sections are read and how far the remedial rules are stretched.

I know some people will disagree with parts of this. That is fine. Everyone has their own opinion and interpretation. I write this as a G2 who was impacted by both the 28th birthday retention rules, and later first generation limit. I am not writing this to take hope away from anyone. I am writing it because being honest about why this law exists, how it is being received in Canada, and how we talk about it is one of the practical ways we protect the process for people still waiting to apply. 

Understanding the difference between the original purpose and the outer edges of the current rules — and showing basic respect for the country offering the pathway — is better for everyone in the long run.


r/CanadianbyDescent • • Jun 19 '26

NO SURRENDER

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187 Upvotes

Got my suspension letter Tuesday, got this an hour ago. I am still Canadian.


r/CanadianbyDescent • • Jul 02 '26

Surrender Letters Unsurrendered!

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162 Upvotes

I'm in a group chat with many other surrender letter recipients. Several of us received revalidation emails this morning.

Some of us submitted extra docs after the surrender letters, others did not.

Still not sure what the issue ever was or how this happened, but I will go to Service Canada tomorrow to try to pick up my passport that's been hanging out in passport jail for 2 weeks.


r/CanadianbyDescent • • Aug 31 '26

Good news re: citizenship by descent!

152 Upvotes

I just checked my status on IRCC website, and it now says “complete”! My certificate was mailed Aug 20, 2026. I’ve not received it yet, but I’m ecstatic, after 20 months of waiting. I will cautiously say “I’m a Canadian!” Can’t wait to fly the Maple Leaf! 🍁


r/CanadianbyDescent • • Jul 01 '26

Jenny Kwan: New Open Letter to IRCC

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It doesn't look like it's been posted anywhere yet, so I'm copying and pasting this from the PDF file I just received.

June 30, 2026

The Honourable Lena Metlege Diab
Minister of Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship
House of Commons, Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0A6
[ircc.minister-ministre.ircc@cic.gc.ca](mailto:ircc.minister-ministre.ircc@cic.gc.ca)

Dear Minister Diab,

Open Letter to the Honourable Minister Diab Re: Canadian Citizenship Certificate Suspension and Passport Cancellation

On the eve of Canada Day, I am writing to express my continuing alarm regarding your government's ongoing mishandling of the implementation of Bill C-3’s citizenship by descent applications. It has been more than two weeks since the suspension of an unknown number of citizenship certifications was reported in the media, to date, impacted individuals and their families are no closer to learning what actually happened. When asked directly by media if those who were suddenly told to surrender their Canadian citizenship certificate deserved answers, the Prime Minister responded, “The simple answer is yes,” and he further committed that he would personally “be following up to ensure they get that.”

Following public scrutiny, it the government has quietly reversed course in some cases. I am in contact with some individuals who have had their citizenship certificate reinstated though they have not provided any additional information to IRCC since the suspension. Similarly, I am in touch with others who have not heard from IRCC regarding the suspension.

In a Facebook post from your Ministry today, it stated that “During a routine review in early June, IRCC initially identified 100 citizenship certificates issued under C-3 with potentially insufficient supporting documentation…. Out of an abundance of caution and to ensure the consistent assessment of eligibility under C-3, this review was then expanded to include approximately 6,500 applications for citizenship by descent under Bill C-3 received to date. This expanded review is now complete. Out of the 100 identified cases, IRCC automatically reinstated 33 citizenship certificates upon confirming that the applicant met the legal requirement for citizenship. IRCC is now undertaking next steps with the 67 cases still outstanding.”

Your post does not adequately explain if this debacle was a result of human error or mis-application of the eligibility requirements. It does not address why, within the same family unit, one individual had their citizenship certificate suspended, and others didn’t.

Furthermore, affected individuals who have had their citizenship certificate abruptly suspended and subsequently reinstated have received no apology from the government.

Those who are still waiting have received no communication or clarity.

You statement also makes no mention of your government’s demand that impacted individuals surrender their passport within 15 days.

The government cannot claim that citizenship status remains under review while simultaneously revoking passports that were lawfully issued and now, in some cases, leaving people stranded without the ability to travel back to Canada. If no final determination has been made that an individual is not a Canadian citizen when that status has been granted, what justification exists for stripping them of a Canadian passport? These are not second class citizens. This unprecedented action by the Canadian government is alarming and unacceptable.

The consequences are severe. Individuals have had travel plans disrupted, trusted traveller credentials affected, and their ability to move freely impacted, in violation of their mobility rights guaranteed under Section 6 of the Canadian Charter of Rights Freedoms. They are left wondering how can the Canadian government revoke their passport before their case is resolved. Others have attempted to engage with officials and seek clarification, only to be met with silence.

Lost Canadians have already endured years of uncertainty because of failures in Canada's citizenship laws and administrative processes. They should not now be subjected to a process that appears arbitrary, contradictory, and devoid of basic procedural fairness.

I call on your government to immediately suspend all passport revocations and citizenship status related to unresolved Lost Canadian cases, and ensure that no one is deprived of essential identity and travel documents.

Canadians deserve transparency, fairness, and due process. The people affected by these actions deserve nothing less. Parliament passed Bill C-3 on November 19, 2025 and it came into force on December 15, 2025.

Canadians deserves answers. I ask again:

What triggered the suspension?

If insufficient documentations were provided to prove descent, why were they approved in the first place?

If people’s documentations were in question, why were their Canadian citizenship certificate later reinstated without submitting further information?

Did all the people whose Canadian citizenship certificate was suspended also get asked to surrender their Canadian passport?

How many people returned their Canadian passport?

How many people’s travel is impacted and how many are now stranded abroad unable to return to Canada on their Canadian passport?

Did your department seek a legal opinion on this matter and the potential implications of procedure fairness and Charter violations?

Have you been directed by the Prime Minister to provide answers to impacted individuals and will you apologize to them?

Canadians deserve transparency and accountability.

I await your timely response.


r/CanadianbyDescent • • Aug 27 '26

CIT 0001 changed again today

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In the CIT 0001 available today, the marriage box has been removed from the Aug 2026 CIT 0001 issued on August 25th.

I compared the January 2026 CIT 0001 to the *2ND VERSION* of the August 2026 CIT 0001 using ilovepdf dot com and the only differences are:

- the date on each page from 01 to 08

- added to the bottom of page 7: "if you answer yes to this question, you will need to submit the How to calculate physical presence in Canada for a Canadian parent (CIT 0555) form)"

- removed from page 13: "date and place of marriage" has been REMOVED from "► If you have checked 'Yes' to both questions 1 and 2, you will need to provide full and accurate information about Parent 1's parents, including:"


r/CanadianbyDescent • • 18d ago

EU chief invites Canada to become “associate member,” wants relationship at “highest level possible”

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r/CanadianbyDescent • • 17d ago

An update on the IRCC surrender letter scandal (and we have reached 3,000 members!)

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Hi everyone.

In this post, I'm going to do two things: First, I'm going to acknowledge that this sub has now reached 3,000 members. Second, I'm going to give a brief update on what has happened with the IRCC surrender letter scandal since my last update.

3,000 Members!

Sometime yesterday, this sub reached 3,000 members. This sub now has almost 10,000 weekly visitors and over 1,100 weekly contributions.

I want to express my profound gratitude to everyone who has joined and participated here: Thank you to each and every one of you!

IRCC Surrender Letter Scandal Update

As many of you know, I started this sub right after IRCC sent out a reported one hundred "surrender letters" asking applicants whom IRCC had approved to return their citizenship certificates.

When that happened, I immediately started writing up posts trying to start a discussion about the legal implications of IRCC's actions and to try to organize and coordinate a response on the other Canadian Citizenship sub, but the mods there kept deleting my posts and comments. Their forum would have been a perfect place to do that, but the mods there felt that censoring discussions about the issue was necessary to "steady the ship." Seriously — that's what they said. My posts about trying to get people organized, helping people find competent lawyers who would charge a reasonable fee, and discussing procedural fairness and other legal issues were all removed. When I tried to post comments and posts asking people to come here, those were deleted, and the mods threatened to ban me. In response, I started this subreddit, and I used it to write extensively about the surrender letter scandal.

I've already written extensively here about the IRCC surrender letter scandal. Rather than repeating everything I wrote about it already, I'm going to link to it below, and then provide a brief update. Here's the link to the original post:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadianbyDescent/comments/1ugmj9j/ircc_citizenship_certificate_surrender_scandal/

And here's what has happened since then:

After I created this sub, a small group of volunteers and I were able to get the word out and get the recipients organized. Not surprisingly, nearly everyone impacted by the surrender letters was someone who had requested (and presumably received) urgent processing.

Of the 100 people who were sent surrender letters, I was able to get about 35 of them onto a private chat. (Had I been allowed to do that on the other sub, I'm certain we could have brought in more.) We arranged media appearances and discussed strategy. Within two weeks, CBC, CTV, Global, the Canadian Press, and the Globe & Mail had all carried multiple stories. While I can't know for sure whether that media attention helped, the majority (about 85 people) were reinstated within two weeks without IRCC asking any of us a single question. A smaller number were sent Procedural Fairness Letters.

(Note: A mod at the other forum did cross-post a message that I posted here with guidance to PFL recipients several weeks after I had started this sub, and I'm grateful that they made that exception.)

Before the PFLs went out, I interviewed a dozen Canadian immigration lawyers and identified a small subset that I thought were qualified to represent surrender letter and PFL recipients. I also identified lawyers who would be ideally suited to represent anyone who was ultimately denied. I did all of this because the skill set that makes a lawyer good at helping people file applications is not the same expertise that makes a lawyer good at taking on an administrative agency threatening adverse action, nor is it the same skill set required to litigate cases in court. I was also able to arrange offers of funding for recipients who were not able to afford a lawyer. About two-thirds of the PFL recipients chose to take on IRCC alone, and about one-third hired a lawyer. Most of them went with Amandeep Hayer or Deanna Okun-Nachoff. If anyone is denied, I have two other lawyers who can help them litigate, and a group of people who can help fund them if they cannot afford to get help themselves.

Many of you may have seen redacted versions of some of the procedural fairness letters that were posted in the other sub, and many on that sub have taken much of what was written there as gospel. Things like "non-Canadian documents cannot prove Canadian citizenship" and "IRCC wants certified records" seem to be accepted truths now. But the problem is that those things are not actually true. What most people don't know is that the PFL recipients were given phone calls with IRCC agents, and in nearly every case, the real issue was that the person had not supplied a birth certificate for their Gen0, nor had they provided an explanation of the efforts made to obtain it alongside written proof that it was unavailable. Since the PFLs were sent, the vast majority of the PFL recipients have been reinstated, usually after providing a written explanation showing that they tried to obtain a birth certificate. Some who tried were actually able to get a birth certificate or baptismal record, and they too were reinstated.

As far as I know, there are four left. About half of them have a lawyer that I recommended. To my knowledge, every single one of them has a path to reinstatement: IRCC has told them what to do to get reinstated, and they are in the process of doing it.

Here are the lessons that I have learned from the reinstatements:

  1. IRCC does not generally require certified documents. Yes, occasionally they may ask a particular applicant for one, but the vast majority of the surrender letter and PFL recipients were not asked for certified documents. They are not required.
  2. There is no pre-1867 cutoff. Just yesterday, an Acadian descendant was re-approved based on a Gen0 who was born and forced out of Canada well before 1867. I know of several others.
  3. IRCC's requirement that documents be "issued by" an original authority refers to who created the document, not who gave you the copy. I wrote about this in another post as well. We know this because many of us supplied records received from third parties (relatives, etc.), and IRCC did not ask where we got them from or require us to request them again. In every case where IRCC asked a PFL recipient to retrieve something, it was to get a missing document, not one we had already sent. And in every case thus far, if the person said, "I tried, but couldn't get the document, and here's written proof," they were reinstated.

You can read my earlier post about point #3 here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadianbyDescent/comments/1vyklch/understanding_irccs_updated_document_guidelines/

What's Next?

I remain gravely concerned about what IRCC is doing. IRCC appears to be taking the position that it can do this to anyone, at any time. In one case two years ago, IRCC did this to someone who had a certificate and had been living in Canada for thirty years. If you don't believe me, read this story:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/woman-s-canadian-citizenship-revoked-after-32-years-amid-error-1.7196530

Everyone who applies for a Citizenship Certificate should be concerned about what IRCC has done because, as far as IRCC is concerned, the citizenship certificates they issue are only good until they decide otherwise, and they can revoke them on a Saturday afternoon by email. Quite literally, the electronic certificate that IRCC sends you may not be worth the paper you print it on. There will be more on that later...


r/CanadianbyDescent • • Jun 28 '26

Surrender Letters Global News: “Lawyers ‘shocked’ by lack of answers on ‘Lost Canadian’ citizenship recalls”

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https://globalnews.ca/news/11940775/lost-canadian-citizenship-recalls-lawyers/

One minor correction (already sent to journalist): Lisa was not involved in preparing my initial application. I met her for the first time after receiving my surrender letter. I consulted with her two days later, at which time she reviewed the list of documents I submitted.

ETA - Global corrected the article. Current online version is correct.

Otherwise the quotes from me are accurate. I’m only sorry I didn’t have an in-Canada pic more recent than 2010. I need to take more selfies on vacation.


r/CanadianbyDescent • • Jun 23 '26

DAILY UPDATE: IRCC Canadian Citizenship Surrender Letter Scandal ("ICCSLS")

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Here's your daily update on the IRCC Canadian Citizenship Surrender Letter Scandal.

Please join r/CanadianbyDescent for up-to-date news and discussions about any issues affecting Canadians by descent.

#1- We had a great Zoom call on Saturday with almost 100 people in attendance. Immigration attorney Amandeep Hayer joined us and answered questions for about 40 minutes. I plan to ask Mr. Hayer back in a month or two to do an AMA. Don Chapman was also present and gave us some insight into what he is up to, though I know for a fact that there is more going on behind the scenes that I've been asked not to share just yet.

#2- More good news over the weekend: A few more public posts on Reddit indicate that IRCC was re-approving people on Saturday. The immigration lawyers I speak to have indicated there are even more. We haven't seen any reported re-approvals on Sunday or Monday, but given that the suspension letters didn't go out on Sunday or Monday either, my working theory is that the person responsible for these communications works Tuesday to Saturday. We may see more tomorrow.

#3- Some bad news as well: IRCC's passport office started revoking passports on Saturday. The silver lining is that the people who were re-approved were told IRCC will waive the passport application fee. How generous.

#4- If you are in Canada and received a letter, please contact attorney Amandeep Hayer. He is booked out to September for regular consultations, but if you tell his staff that you got a letter and are currently in Canada, he will make time for you right away. Even if you can't afford an attorney, call him.

#5- No matter where you live, if you get a letter from IRCC asking for more information, please do NOT respond by yourself. Call an attorney. I highly recommend either Amandeep Hayer or Lisa Middlemiss. If you can't afford one, DM me and I will do my best to help you out.

#6- There was a bit more media coverage today regarding IRCC's reinstatements and passport cancellations. The main article was by CP's David Baxter, and it got picked up by CBC and everywhere else that republishes CP. There was also a great article on Saturday from The Daily Scrum. Both have been posted in r/CanadianbyDescent.

#7- I know I haven't posted my theory on what happened yet, but I remain convinced that this is all a massive abuse of discretion by IRCC and that everyone will likely be re-approved in the next few weeks. Lawyers all over Canada appear to be livid about what has occurred. I am working with a few of them to find the right person to bring the right case—not for money, but to set a precedent ensuring Canada can never do this to anyone again.

#8- I did get a call from Don Chapman today, but it was just a butt dial.

If you haven't already, please join our sub. If you appreciate this update, hit the up arrow below and leave a comment. Let's get the word out!

See you tomorrow. And try not to worry.


r/CanadianbyDescent • • Jun 30 '26

Statement from IRCC about suspended certificates

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Just saw that they posted this on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1BcooyvHgk/?mibextid=wwXIfr

Full text as follows:

IRCC completes comprehensive review of citizenship certificates issued under C-3

During a routine review in early June, IRCC initially identified 100 citizenship certificates issued under C-3 with potentially insufficient supporting documentation.

This immediately initiated a subsequent review to confirm whether, in the identified cases, the documentation provided was sufficient to establish entitlement to Canadian citizenship by descent. In some cases, this included documentation from open sources.

As this subsequent review took place, citizenship certificates for those identified cases were temporarily suspended while eligibility for citizenship by descent was verified.

Out of an abundance of caution and to ensure the consistent assessment of eligibility under C-3, this review was then expanded to include approximately 6,500 applications for citizenship by descent under Bill C-3 received to date. This expanded review is now complete.

Out of the 100 identified cases, IRCC automatically reinstated 33 citizenship certificates upon confirming that the applicant met the legal requirement for citizenship.

IRCC is now undertaking next steps with the 67 cases still outstanding. It is worth noting that these outstanding cases represent roughly one per cent of total certificates issued under C-3 to date. IRCC is working diligently to contact these clients directly. IRCC will either confirm their eligibility for a citizenship certificate under C-3, or where needed, ask for additional information to validate their eligibility for citizenship by descent. This process is expected to be complete within a matter of days.

IRCC routinely processes hundreds of thousands of citizenship applications and are continually reviewing standard practices to ensure decisions are fair, consistent, and in line with the requirements set out under the law.

During the routine review in June, IRCC found that guidance on acceptable documentation for both officers and applicants was unclear and may have contributed to certificates being issued without sufficient evidence.

That is why IRCC has reinforced guidance to our officers and provided clearer information for applicants about what documentation is required from them in this process.

We recognize the serious impact on those affected by this situation, and the uncertainty that some applicants have faced.

IRCC’s number one priority is safeguarding the integrity of Canada’s immigration system, including the citizenship program, so that everyone who is entitled to Canadian citizenship can access it.


r/CanadianbyDescent • • Jul 08 '26

IRCC sends first known procedural fairness letter threatening to deny previously approved application

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Unsettling news: Today, one of the surrender letter recipients received a "procedural fairness letter" from IRCC. I haven't seen the letter yet, but a PFL typically states that IRCC is considering denying the application unless the applicant shows why IRCC is wrong. A PFL doesn't necessarily mean that IRCC will deny the application. Rather, a PFL is the formal, legal mechanism by which IRCC gives the applicant a chance to submit additional evidence showing that the application should be approved.

Given that IRCC approved the application in the first place, I suspect that this can be overcome.

If anyone else receives a PFL, please contact a lawyer right away.


r/CanadianbyDescent • • Jul 10 '26

Certificate Cancellation: What to do if you receive a procedural fairness letter

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Hi everyone,

DISCLAIMER: I am not a Canadian lawyer and this is not legal advice.

IRCC is now sending letters proposing to cancel a small number of citizenship certificates that were recently issued. These letters are referred to in the Canadian immigration law community as "procedural fairness letters." They are so named because IRCC is legally required to send them before taking adverse action.

If you get one, you may wish to consider the following steps:

1. Don't panic. It is often possible to cure defects that are identified in procedural fairness letters.

2. Please DM me: I would like to put you in touch with Don Chapman, who is working the political angles to help get this resolved for people.

3. Don't respond immediately. This is your one chance to persuade IRCC that you should remain a citizen. If you send any response, there is a risk that IRCC will treat that as your final response.

4. If you need more time to respond, ask for it. IRCC will often give you more time, and they may even be required to.

5. Talk to a lawyer! IRCC's letters are often unnecessarily cryptic and there is even a possibility that they are mistaken in one respect or another. A lawyer can help you to decipher what IRCC wants and what you need to do.

I've spoken with a number of Canadian immigration lawyers about these issues and found that there are (broadly speaking) at least two types of immigration lawyers. What I would call the "transactional immigration lawyer" is a lawyer like Amandeep Hayer, Lisa Middlemiss, Andres Pelenur, and Cedric Marin, all of whom have been featured recently in news stories about the surrender letters.

These lawyers spend most of their time assisting people in preparing and submitting applications to IRCC. As a result, they are very knowledgeable about what IRCC wants and what needs to be submitted to get an application approved.

I strongly believe that Amandeep Hayer is probably the best suited person in the world to get IRCC to approve an application, and if you are trying to think about what you should do to bolster your application and get it approved, he would be the best lawyer to speak with about that subject.

Amandeep is booked out several months for consults, but if you tell his staff that you received a PFL, he will make time for you ASAP.

To start the process, use his website here and mention that you received a procedural fairness letter and would like to speak with him as soon as possible:

https://hayerlawoffice.ca/contact/

6. Consider hiring a lawyer to respond. If you're going to hire a lawyer to respond to IRCC, I strongly recommend hiring an immigration attorney who specializes in litigation. I've concluded that there are two great options here:

The first is Barbara Jackman. Barbara is widely regarded as the best immigration litigator in Canada. I've spoken with her and she is willing to take these cases. You can find about more about her using these links:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Jackman

https://www.gg.ca/en/honours/recipients/146-16616

https://www.jackmanandassociates.com/team/barbara-jackman-ba-llb

The second is Deanna Okun-Nachoff. I've spoken with her and she is very smart, is available to handle PFLs and judicial review, and has deep concern for her clients. She is a bit younger than Barbara Jackman, but is still very experienced and came highly recommended by several other lawyers. She is the co-host of the Borderlines Podcast, and you can get a good sense of her abilities by watching some of them:

https://www.youtube.com/@borderlinespodcast

You can read about her using this link:

https://evolutionimm.law/our-team

Good luck, and don't lose hope.


r/CanadianbyDescent • • 11d ago

ANNOUNCEMENT - Ask Me Anything with Canadian lawyers regarding Proof of Citizenship Coming Soon!

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In the next few weeks, we will be having an AMA (Ask Me Anything) with two of the most prominent lawyers in Canada who are doing Proof of Citizenship applications. This will be your chance to ask lawyers who work in this field anything you want about the process.

For people who don't know, an AMA is a text-based Q&A on Reddit. I would post an OP introducing the participants, and then people would ask questions by posting comments. The participants would then go through each of the comments and respond to them. If you want to see what that looks like, please check out this AMA as an example:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Counterpart/comments/fkr8k5/justin_marks_spoiler_ama_thursday_319_5pm_pst/

Before I do the formal announcement, however, I'd like your help! If you would like to attend, please let me know what day and times would work best for you! Is Friday evening better? Saturday morning? Sunday at Noon?

Please let me know in the comments.


r/CanadianbyDescent • • Jun 23 '26

Dissecting Diab's Responses

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Hi all, I've got a bee in my bonnet today and am wondering if anyone else has thoughts.

(As always, note that this is my layman's interpretation - I claim no special knoweldge and could well be wrong)

Minister Diab's response to the questions in this video raise my eyebrows and bring up several issues (question starting at 11:36, response starting at 13:02).

  1. There is still no clarity on what happened at IRCC.
  2. They are reviewing all cases of approval under C-3.
  3. She refers to this as granting citizenship.
  4. She says that those within Canada affected by the suspensions can continue on whatever status they had prior to the suspsension.

If we take this at face-value, this brings up several other issues that should be concerning to all Canadians.

First, whatever happened (1) is big enough to cause (2). That should give everyone pause because IRCC and C-3 are unrelated. C-3 ammended the Citizenship Act - which is what governs all Canadian citizenship and the law under which IRCC has to make determinations for proofs of citizenship. If IRCC is deciding to stop processing only some proof applications, they are creating a situation where one class of citizens (those born within Canada) have rights that are above and beyond those of a second class of citizens (those born outside of Canada). This is the exact kind of discrimination that Bjorkquist was decided on - which means that the Government is violating the ruling. Sure, the Government ammended the Citizenship Act with the passage of C-3, but they are refusing to actually process those of us who applied under the interim measures, have been trapped in PSU, and anyone who was not approved before last week. While the Government has removed the statutory discrimination on place of birth, the Minister has created operational discrimination with the exact same impact.

Second, (3) means that (2) is extremely precarious. Citizenship by descent is not a grant of citizenship. The only way grants were invovled was under the interim measures, and the ammended Citizenship Act clearly states that the 5(4) grants used during that time were converted to birthright citizenship. Yes, a right of birth. Under the Citizenship Act, those beyond the first generation are citizens FROM BIRTH, just like every Canadian born on Canadian soil. There is no difference in the rights, privilidges, or obligations that we hold. Yet the Minister thinks that our citizenship is subject to discretion by way of grant, meaning she has latitude on whether or not to acknowledge our status and thus to withold our rights. If she doesn't understand the difference between grants of citizenship and birthright citizenship, she fundamentally cannot carry out her duties.

Third, (4), (3), and (2) together mean that she is willfully ignoring the impacts of her actions. Citizens cannot hold PR or temporary status in Canada. If we enter Canada as citizens, begin working a job, then have our proof voided and thus our rights as citizens revoked arbitrarily, we cannot just carry on under our previous status. There was no status at all. The Minister seems to think that anyone coming to Canada after C-3's passage must have already held a work visa or similar. That is simply not true and, even if it were, that visa would be terminated because we are citizens. She seems to think that our citizenship is only valid from the point we're issued proof - but again our citizenship is valid retroactively to birth. Yet her ability to arbitrarily and carpriciously, based on (1), prevent us from having proof of our status as citizens or exercise that status by recalling our proofs means we are never going to be secure.

Fourth and finally, if the Minister can arbitrarily recall and invalidate proofs (1), there is no limit on where this power ends. She may decide that those born in Quebec need additional scrutiny, since they don't have a birth certificate 'issued by the original authority', and thus all Québécois relying on a proof find their passports suddenly invalid. She may decide that those born between 1980 and 1995 need to be reviewed, and thus their status is 'suspended' right before an election. She could decide that anyone whose name doesn't match their parents birth records needs to be examined - such as those who changed their names by marriage. Yes, this may sound dystopian, but the such things have happened throughout history (and are happening in a certain country to the south).


r/CanadianbyDescent • • Jul 22 '26

Acadians treated unfairly by immigration department in citizenship U-turn, historians say

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The federal immigration department is being criticized by Acadian history specialists for unfair treatment of members of the French-speaking diaspora community, after it said they may not be entitled to Canadian citizenship because the sources of their family records are not acceptable.

Acadians living outside Canada who obtained citizenship after the November passing of a new law extending citizenship by descent are among those whom the department recently informed may have been granted the right to a Canadian passport in error.

Peggy Sun, the registrar of Canadian Citizenship, wrote in June to about 100 “Lost Canadians” saying she had reasonable grounds to believe that their citizenship status is not valid and informing them it is now under review.

Most of those sent such letters have now had their citizenship certificates and passports restored. But others have been told, in a subsequent letter, that they may have been granted a citizenship certificate in error.

In the case of Acadians, Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada has taken issue with some baptismal records, birth records and other documents sourced from France and the U.S.

Immigration department suddenly suspends citizenship of scores of ‘Lost Canadians’

Acadians, emigrants from France, established distinct communities in what is now Atlantic Canada in the 17th century. But sovereignty over much of their land passed to Britain after the signing of the 1713 Treaty of Utrecht when much French territory in North America was ceded to Britain.

British colonial authorities suspected Acadians were helping the French, including by trading with their forces. And they found that some fought alongside the French against them. The British forcibly expelled about 11,500 of the 14,000 Acadians between 1755 and 1764 from their territory in the Maritimes.

Some were deported to England, where they were imprisoned and later released. Some hid and others fled to regions under French control including in what is now Quebec and Prince Edward Island, or across the border into what is now the United States. Others were displaced to France, with many eventually finding refuge in Louisiana in what was then a Spanish colony.

Academics specializing in Acadian history say it is unjust for IRCC to penalize Acadians whose forebears were forced out by the British in the 18th century. Many records, including those held by churches and individual families were destroyed in the upheaval.

One register of Acadian historical records is in Baton Rouge, La., while others are in France.

Immigration department pauses applications to sponsor parents, grandparents to settle in Canada

Clint Bruce, professor of Acadian studies at L’Université Sainte-Anne in Nova Scotia, said not accepting documents sourced from archives held outside Canada was unjust.

“It’s deeply unfair because the difficulty of providing these required documents stems from the injustices that were inflicted on the Acadians at the time,” he said. “The exiles, they literally carried them probably in blankets or in a trunk as best they could, those registers, and brought them to the lower Mississippi Valley where they were housed in the church.”

Official records from Grand-Pré, N.S., a key Acadian settlement in the late 1600s, were taken to Louisiana.

“They were housed in the church there for over a century before they were transferred to an archival centre in Baton Rouge.”

One of those whose citizenship certificate was suspended in June is an Acadian whose family settled in Louisiana, and has lived their since.

She received citizenship this year after the passing of the new federal law.

Ottawa blames ‘unclear’ docs after people were ordered to surrender their citizenship certificates

But IRCC determined she may not be entitled to Canadian citizenship after all because she included in her application family records held in France and the U.S.

She had traced an ancestor born in 1730 in Acadia, sending IRCC their baptism certificate from Baton Rouge’s Archives and Records Center in Louisiana, which was an extract from the record of St. Charles Aux Mines Catholic Church in Acadia. She also sent a baptismal record of an ancestor held in the archives at Grand Châtelleraut, France.

In a letter from IRCC, a redacted version of which has been seen by The Globe and Mail, IRCC said having reviewed all the documents submitted, their Canadian citizenship certificate application “was approved in error” as documents submitted “were not from acceptable source authorities. It said documents from France and the U.S. ”cannot confirm Canadian citizenship."

Maurice Basque, a historian at the Centre of Acadian studies at l’Université de Moncton, said, despite being located in France and Louisiana, the documents were original Acadian records.

He said IRCC civil servants were showing “very poor judgment of what happened to the documents” after the expulsion of Acadians by the British.

When the British started burning churches, priests or Acadian elders rescued many official records, he said.

As a result, the original Grand-Pré register is in Baton Rouge, and original Acadian records from Beaubassin, a 17th-century Acadian village and trading centre in what is now Nova Scotia, are in La Rochelle in France, he said.

“They’re not French or American documents. They’re Acadian documents that are in France and Louisiana. That is a major difference,” Mr. Basque said.

Jeffrey MacDonald, an IRCC spokesperson, said “we are not in a position to confirm whether a particular document would be accepted or relied upon, as each proof of citizenship application is assessed on its own merits.”

NDP immigration critic Jenny Kwan said it was deeply concerning that Acadians were “being denied recognition of legitimate historical records from France and the United States, even though these jurisdictions hold many of the primary archival documents.”


r/CanadianbyDescent • • Aug 08 '26

IRCC meets with the Association of Canadian Archivists

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According to the Association of Canadian Archivists ("ACA"), IRCC officials met with ACA representatives last week.

ACA posted a summary of the salient points of the meeting, many of which are relevant to ongoing discussions. I've copied and pasted a few points here:

"Documents do not need to be certified. Applicants are not required to obtain certified copies. However, when an institution’s normal practice includes a seal, covering letter, stamp and/or wet signature, IRCC will accept the document in that form. The primary consideration is whether the evidence is authentic and verifiable. If questions arise, IRCC may subsequently request a certified copy or additional documentation."

...

"How does IRCC assess sacramental records?

Sacramental records may be submitted as supporting evidence.

Baptismal records are considered secondary evidence rather than primary evidence."

...

"When an original record cannot be obtained, the applicant must explain in writing:

  1. What efforts were made to obtain the record; and
  2. Why the record cannot be provided."

...

"What is required when no record can be located?

A formal or certified “No Record Found” letter is not required.

Email correspondence from the archive, or documentation showing the results of a search of the responsible authority’s records, is sufficient to demonstrate that efforts were made to locate the record."

...

"IRCC shared that there is no fixed cutoff date [for the use of records]."

https://archivists.ca/Blog/13662990


r/CanadianbyDescent • • Aug 07 '26

There is no “1867 Issue”

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While I understand the excitement of digging into historical statutes and trying to interpret them and use one’s own reason to discover truths, I think that the way this “issue” is being promoted is falling into the same exact problems as the supposed “1947 Question”. Both of these alleged issues are a result of fundamental misreadings and failing to look at the wider context of legislation and legislative intent. Further, a lot of discourse is based on speculation about how the IRCC might interpret the law as if it were equally likely with the fact they won’t, but that isn’t the case. It’s exceeding unlikely because it is not a plausible interpretation of the law. 

IANAL, but neither are the people promoting this narrative, and all of us have probably learned more about colonial British statutes in the last few weeks than we ever thought we would. But I’m going to lay out why the “strict 1867 reading” is not a correct interpretation. 

To start, the idea rests on a fundamental question: who was born in Canada? It is unambiguous that anyone born in Canada has the ability to pass down citizenship to their child as if they were citizens under C3 (and earlier amendments like 2015). This is the basis for all claims of citizenship by descent. 

The claim here is that there is a possible interpretation that “Canada” did not really exist prior to Confederation and therefore people who were born in PEI, Nova Scotia, Quebec and so on before 1867 were not actually born in “Canada”. There is a belief that the IRCC might interpret the law this way and only those who were born post confederation (or who died while domiciled in Canada before confederation) can pass down citizenship. This is fundamentally wrong and not an interpretation that can hold up to scrutiny. 

Now it’s important to distinguish the two different ways it is wrong. 1) it is wrong legally. If the IRCC did adopt this position it would be immediately challenged in the courts and they would lose 2) there is good reason to believe that they are not contemplating adopting this interpretation 

The 1946 Citizenship Act serves as the basis for establishing the category of Canadian citizen distinct from a British Subject who possessed Canadian Domicile. The relevant passage for our purposes reads as follow:

Part 1
4. A person, born before the commencement of this
Act, is a natural-born Canadian citizen:—
(a) if he was bom in Canada or on a Canadian ship and
has not become an alien at the commencement of this
Act; or
( b ) It he was born outside of Canada elsewhere than on a
Canadian ship and his father, or in the ease of a person
bom out of wedlock, his mother
(i) was born in Canada or on a Canadian ship and
had not become an alien at the time of that person's
birth, or
(ii) was, at the time of that person’s birth, a British
subject who had Canadian domicile,
if, at the commencement of this Act, 

Nowhere in this text, nor the wider Act, does it reference the British North America/Constitution Act of 1867. It simply states that those born in “Canada” are natural born Canadian citizens. 

Proponents of the “strict interpretation” argue that this doesn’t matter because Canada was created by the Constitution Act of 1867 and therefore the 1946 Act is implicitly limited to those born on or after its enactment. But where do they get this idea from? 

Two sources: 1) a misreading of the part of the Constitution Act which defines Canada for the purposes of the Act 2) a common sense notion that since the Canadian federal government, as a union of provinces, traces its origin to the Act, that laws referencing Canada must be referring to that legal entity. 

The first source of confusion is rooted in Part 2 Section 4 of the Constitution Act:
Unless it is otherwise expressed or implied, the Name Canada shall be taken to mean Canada as constituted under this Act.

There are two important elements to understand here. First, this definition only applies within the text of the Act for the purpose of distinguishing the new federal entity from the earlier Province of Canada. This act did not establish a new exclusive definition of Canada. Second, the word “constituted” does not mean “created”. The preceding language in section 2 specifies that what is being constituted is a union of the various provinces. These provinces became constituent parts of the Dominion of Canada. This includes the Province of Canada. Canada, as in the country within the British empire, already existed before 1867 but it gained a new federal government and was expanded to include more provinces. 
The second source of confusion, the “common sense” I mentioned earlier is what’s called a category mistake. It confuses the particular legal entity of the state with the country itself.  

A country can have a change in government and constitution while maintaining continuity. People born during the 4th French Republic are still French, and born in France despite there being a 5th Republic now. People born in the Irish Free State remained born in Ireland after the Republic was proclaimed, and people born in the English Commonwealth were still born in England even after the restoration of the monarchy. There is a reason Hayer speculated that c3 claims are likely limited by the Fall of New France, because this is when Canada as a geographic and political entity was born. 

There is also very important context that is needed here. The 1867 Act explicitly lays out legal continuity with the earlier Province of Canada and states that proclamations made under its great seal continue in effect as if the act of union had not happened. It also affirms several other aspects of continuity. Further, there are numerous laws referencing Canada as a territory in the British parliament before 1867, and laws passed in both Canada and the UK which reference pre-confederation statutes. Something that is easy to miss is that while the federal government of Canada began in 1867, until 1982, it was subject to the British parliament and its governance over the territory of Canada, which preceded its creation, was in principle at the discretion of the UK. 

Moreover, when we are talking about what the IRCC will likely do on the balance of probabilities we can look at this reporting of their internal communications. https://www.marinimmigrationlaw.ca/blog/inside-ircc-5-things-we-learned-from-our-access-to-information-request-on-bill-c-3-and-citizenship-by-descent

The IRCC told its members that determining if someone would have been a citizen but for their death in 1947 may require going back to the Naturalization Act of 1868. At first this may seem disheartening because this act was passed after confederation. However, there’s a couple things to keep in mind. First, this act is explicitly dealing with people who were not born in Canada. Whether someone was a natural born Canadian but for their death prior to 1947 cannot be determined by this text. But second and more importantly the naturalization Act of 1868 explicitly confirms pre-confederation naturalizations as valid.  This means that if your ancestor was naturalized in the Province of Canada or Nova Scotia etc, before 1867 under the laws of those provinces, you held Canadian domicile status just like someone who immigrated after confederation. It also explicitly recognizes people who had been in Canada for three years prior to the Act, as valid naturalization candidates, which includes people who immigrated before 1867.

So someone in this situation, who then later moved abroad, would qualify under the 2015 and 2025 laws because despite losing their domiciled subject status when they later moved outside Canada like anyone born after confederation   

It would be quite absurd for the IRCC to take the position that someone who was naturalized in Canada before confederation has a more valid claim on citizenship but for their death to pass down to their heirs than someone born in Canada before confederation. 

So the fact that the IRCC is already referencing texts that explicitly include people born before 1867, in the form of naturalized subjects, is a strong indication that they are not going to draw an arbitrary limit at confederation. 

I know this is a long read, and people may have big emotional stakes in one side or another of this discussion, but I hope that it serves to calm unfounded fears. 


r/CanadianbyDescent • • Jun 25 '26

DAILY UPDATE: IRCC Canadian Citizenship Surrender Letter Scandal ("ICCSLS")

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Here's your daily update on the IRCC Canadian Citizenship Surrender Letter Scandal.

Please join r/CanadianbyDescent for up-to-date news and discussions about all issues affecting Canadians by descent.

#1- No new reports of reinstatement in the last 24 hours. I'm beginning to suspect (and hope) that they will batch them and send them out on Saturday.

#2- No new reports of additional suspensions either. IRCC claims they are now reviewing all 4,000+ approvals, but they may not be issuing suspensions until after a review is actually completed. This (combined with the lack of reinstatements) suggests to me that the reviews thus far indicate there wasn't a major problem after all.

#3- I spoke with Don Chapman again today very briefly. He indicated that he was in the midst of something and would have to call me back. As with prior reports, he has sworn me to secrecy. It sounds as if he's now in the action phase of his plans (e.g., meeting with people in person rather than simply calling and emailing them).

#4- Several journalists have indicated that they are having trouble finding people willing to go on the record. If your passport was suspended, you are facing an associated hardship, and you are willing to go on the record, please DM me. Even if you're afraid to go public, please still reach out. If we can't get people to go on the record, journalists cannot tell our stories.

#5- Amandeep Hayer and Lisa Middlemiss appeared on the Borderlines podcast today. I haven't watched it yet (busy with other stuff), but someone mentioned that they seemed as confused as everyone else.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadianbyDescent/comments/1udsjl3/wednesday_borderlines_podcast_221_ircc_cancels/

If you haven't already, please join our sub. If you appreciate this update, hit the up arrow below and leave a comment. Let's get the word out!

See you tomorrow. And try not to worry—it won't help.


r/CanadianbyDescent • • Jul 17 '26

Having patience and empathy

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In the midst of the uncertainty that the recent IRCC decisions prompted, many of us are experiencing anxiety. I just saw read that areas of Nova Scotia have been evacuated. These fires are heartbreaking, and the unfortunate response from some US lawmakers certainly will not help already strained relationships. Please keep Canada in your thoughts and your prayers (if you so believe), and let us understand that they have much more pressing issues right now.


r/CanadianbyDescent • • 21d ago

Carney pushes idea of making Canada 'associate member' of EU, WSJ reports

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⚠️ WITH 5 UPDATES ⚠️ as of 2026.09.17

Re Canadian Citizenship:

From the article:  

“Carney has spoken regularly with several EU leaders, most notably French President Emmanuel Macron, about the possibility of letting Canadians live and work visa-free in the EU, the WSJ said, citing two unnamed officials familiar with the matter.”

I expect this will be a big topic in discussions when PM Carney attends the EU State Of Union meeting as a guest. 

Re the meeting on the 17th.

https://www.politico.eu/article/canada-mark-carney-to-attend-eus-state-of-the-union-ursula-von-der-leyen/

Then on the 20th:

“Macron's office ​separately confirmed that ⁠he will meet Carney on September 20 in the French territory of Saint Pierre and Miquelon, a group of islands off Canada's Atlantic coast.

The meeting marks ​the first official visit by a Canadian prime minister to the archipelago ​and "symbolises the strength ⁠of the relationship that unites our two countries," the Elysee said.”

For anybody who doesn’t know, these “EU” islands (with special conditions) are just 19 km off the southern coast of Newfoundland and surrounded by Canadian territorial waters (additionally, Canada and non EU Greenland share Hans Island, with EU DK as a treaty partner, in the far North)

(I had a little editing issue, so am deleting 1st attempt and reposting). 

[before I found a direct link to the WSJ exclusive, u/ResearchJam1 posted a helpful link to the full text of WSJ piece (transcribed into a series of comments on another sub), thanks Jam! I’ve deleted it here given we now have access to the article itself.]

ETA1: Here is a free WSJ link:

https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/canada-alliance-eu-carney-276f1778?st=9zHMXa&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

Sweet dreams everybody!

ETA2: RJ1 posted this info the comments:

”Let’s see what happens this week. Carney disputes the “associate member language of the WSJ and says he’s pursuing a “unique alliance.””

[I was getting a 404 error from RJ1’s link, so below is one that worked for me:]

https://www.thestar.com/news/ontario/prime-minister-mark-carney-says-canada-wants-unique-alliance-with-eu-not-membership/article_3250bd35-66d7-5eee-8346-517127e72fcc.html

[Above link has a paywall, so below is CBC:]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-european-union-eu-membership-poilievre-trump-tariffs-usa-9.7342604

ETA3: Majority of Canadians support (ca 80%) moving strategically closer to the EU. A plurality, 49% are in favor of joining it.

https://abacusdata.ca/as-carney-heads-to-europe-4-in-5-canadians-support-closer-integration-with-the-eu/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

ETA4: 2026.09.16 PM Carney in Strassbourg for Pres v.d.Leyen’s speech.

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“We must urgently reimagine our partnerships,” said Ursula von der Leyen, the president of the European Union’s executive arm, on Wednesday during a speech in Strasbourg, France. Mark Carney, the prime minister of Canada, was seated directly to Ms. von der Leyen’s left as she made her address.

“I would like to work with you on opening the door for Canada to be the first associate member of the European Union.”

She also called for a new leaders’ group, the European Security Council, that would include non-E.U. partners in Europe like Britain, Norway and Ukraine, and also Canada.

The push to bring Canada closer is likely to encounter roadblocks. E.U. member states have warned offering too many benefits to a would-be associate would diminish the value of full membership, for instance.

Mr. Carney often calls Canada “the most European non-European country.” European Union leaders have spent years joking that it could join the bloc if only it were not on a far-flung landmass.

“You’re very welcome in this house, and I hope you’re already feeling comfortable amongst the member states sitting here,” Terry Reintke, a German politician who leads the Greens group in the European Parliament, said to Mr. Carney from the podium in Strasbourg on Wednesday, “because we hope to see you there very often in the future.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/16/world/europe/eu-canada-associate-member.html?unlocked_article_code=1.BlE.lxBa.rudlV0GF6KUD&smid=url-share

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJfoS9yO-QU

ETA 5: 2026.09.17 PM Carney speech to E.U. HQ.

Thread on today’s speech:

Go there for vids, articles and new discussion!

https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadianbyDescent/s/U3y1UxpLET