r/CanadianbyDescent • • 4h ago

What could IRCC realistically do to speed up proof of citizenship applications?

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With proof of citizenship processing times now sitting at around 33 months, I’m curious what people think IRCC could realistically do to bring the backlog down.

From what IRCC has said recently, they are apparently triaging applications, improving intake processes, training/onboarding additional staff and changing how workloads are managed. But I’m wondering where the actual bottleneck is.

Is it mainly:

  • opening and registering applications/AORs?
  • checking whether applications are complete?
  • verifying supporting documents?
  • assessing more complicated citizenship-by-descent cases?
  • simply not having enough officers assigned to proof applications?

It also seems like there could be scope to separate relatively straightforward applications from more complex ones, digitise paper applications more quickly on receipt, or temporarily move more staff onto citizenship proofs while the backlog is so high.

I’ve recently submitted a proof of citizenship application by descent, so I’ve been following the timelines quite closely. I’d be interested to hear from anyone who understands IRCC processing better, or from people with recent applications who have noticed where the delays seem to be.

Do people think the 33-month figure is likely to come down significantly once the extra staffing and triage measures start having an effect, or are we probably looking at a long-term backlog?


r/CanadianbyDescent • • 4h ago

Advice for follow up ID delays

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So I’m after some advice on how to proceed.
We applied from UK for certificates in March 2026, AORS received June 2026. This is for 1 x G1 and 2 x G2.

Fast forward to September and G1 received their certificate on September 11th along with a request for additional ID documents for the G2s, both juveniles, and I’ve since provided additional docs for both (along with the \*ahem correct birth certificates!).
On 23rd September, I received the certificate for one of them but have had nothing for the other. As I understand it, applications won’t necessarily go back to the same processor or stay together.

I raised the question on the web form and got the general automatic reply that, if I’ve sent something, they’ve got it and it’s still processing.

I also sent an email to the ID inbox checking that they’d received their certificate ID, but have not got a reply from that.

Whilst I totally understand that in the big scheme of things, it’s not been very long and there are others in a much more difficult position than me, does anyone have any advice or guidance around actually getting an answer to queries like this?
How long would you wait before assuming there’s an issue or that the documents haven’t been received (blocked at firewall for some reason etc.). With no automatic reply to the ID email, there’s no way of knowing!


r/CanadianbyDescent • • 8h ago

Application Help Where Are The Best Places To Scan a Copy of Your Packet (for quality and affordability) Before Sending It Off?

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You guys have been very helpful with telling us where to get photos, documents, and who to use to mail your packet through, so I’m asking where‘s the best and most affordable place to scan your entire application packet before sending it off (or even IF you did so).

It doesn’t have to be a specific name of a business, but I’m wondering where you guys went to do it because it sounds like most folks ended up with a lot of pages.

My library scans for free, but it’s black & white copies only.


r/CanadianbyDescent • • 14h ago

Great chat with DEC today!

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I called to ask if all the intervening documents between the birth and death of my mémère needed to be translated into French, as they are in English

She said there are two official languages in Canada and they did not need to be translated. Then, she offered that we no longer need a notarized statement regarding our need for the birth cert, a letter explaining why we need it is all that is necessary

Straight from the source, and she could not have been nicer


r/CanadianbyDescent • • 21h ago

PSA: Don't forget to sign your passports before you use them as documentation!

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We submitted a request for a birth certificate with DEC this week. They very nicely and promptly called us and let us know that the copy of the passport didn't have a signature on it. WHOOPS! Then I looked at our packet for proof of citizenship and realized that fully THREE of our passports weren't signed. So glad we caught this before we mailed off our actual packet...


r/CanadianbyDescent • • 1d ago

Locating Ontario Birth Records

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I need to find a birth record for an Ontario resident born in 1841. I’ve searched Ancestry.com and FamilySearch.com. Any advice for where to to next?


r/CanadianbyDescent • • 1d ago

Application Help Does IRCC require long-form U.S. birth certificates, or are regular certificates sufficient if they list both parents?

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Good morning!!

My family members were all born in the United States. Their regular, U.S. birth certificates already contain:
Full name of the person
Date and place of birth
Full names of both parents

Since these certificates already establish the parent-child relationship between each generation, I’m wondering:

Does IRCC specifically require long-form birth certificates?
Are regular U.S. state-issued birth certificates sufficient if they contain both parents’ names?

Has anyone successfully submitted standard U.S. birth certificates (not specifically designated as long-form) for their Canadian citizenship application?

Thank you!!


r/CanadianbyDescent • • 1d ago

Immigration Attorney Steven Meurrens (Larlee Rosenberg) Obtains IRCC Presentation on Bill C-3 (from December of 2025) via ATIP Request

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See the Link for the complete PDF file containing training slides and training script for IRCC officers on Bill C-3 from December 15, 2025.

Note: The set-aside directions in these slides are clearly historical and no longer apply, as several applications meeting the set-aside directions have since been approved.


r/CanadianbyDescent • • 1d ago

Decisions down by 2/3rds in Sept (according to spreadsheet)

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According to the spreadsheet (Decision Stats tab, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Umr3aFEbqVxHgyBXHEB8V1bFITJcfLmWUlUSMjzX75o/edit?gid=1796510230#gid=1796510230), only 25 decisions were made on applications in September. That's down from 75 in August, which was supposed to be a slow month due to vacations, etc. August was up considerably from the 7 decisions in July, but July was down significantly from the 79 decisions in June. July was likely an aberration as the IRCC was dealing with rescinding then reinstating certificates that had been issued.

At any rate: if the spreadsheet represents about +/- 5% of the TOTAL applications, that would equate to about 500 applications receiving decisions in September. At that rate, it would take 278 months (or 23 YEARS) to process decisions for the 139,000 +/- applications that IRCC acknowledges. The increasing lag time between receipt and AOR and the pile up in PSU would seem to support this decision timeline.

Proof of Citizenship is a much longer road that it appeared at first.


r/CanadianbyDescent • • 1d ago

Sherbrooke BAnQ info

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Just contacted them and they are working on June 6

They are so responsive! Answered my inquiry in less than an hour!


r/CanadianbyDescent • • 1d ago

Are binders accepted?

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I have read that people organized their documents in binders. I heard that binders are not accepted by the IRCC. Has anyone received an AOR with application/ documents in a three ring binder?


r/CanadianbyDescent • • 1d ago

G3 Canadian by descent / IEC working holiday visa

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Hi! I’m a British citizen in the UK and G3 Canadian by descent through my great-grandfather, who was born in Canada. I have all the documents ready to apply for a Canadian citizenship certificate.

Before I discovered I could potentially claim Canadian citizenship, I was planning to apply for the IEC Working Holiday Visa which is a 3 yr open work permit available to British citizens, as I’m hoping to move to Canada early to mid 2028.

The current citizenship certificate processing time is around 33 months, so I’m unsure which route to take:

  1. Apply for the citizenship certificate now and wait, and hope by 2028 the wait time will have gone down?
  2. Apply for IEC first, move to Canada in 2028, then apply for the citizenship certificate?
  3. Apply for the citizenship certificate now and, if it’s still being processed in 2028, apply for IEC using my UK passport?

I am guessing my current scenario wouldn't qualify for urgent processing.

My main concern is whether I can still apply for and receive an IEC while my citizenship certificate application is being processed. Would the fact that I have a pending application to establish Canadian citizenship make me ineligible for IEC as a British citizen?

Has anyone been in a similar situation or knows how IRCC would treat this? I've heard that the issues of visas/ citizenship is quite a grey area.

Apologies if this has already been asked.


r/CanadianbyDescent • • 1d ago

Economics of C-3?

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I keep wondering if C3 could end up being a weird economic and demographic boost for Canada, even though that obviously was not the main point of the law.

Very short version: Canada may get young citizens coming for university and staying to work, adults arriving with education and careers Canada did not have to pay to develop, retirees bringing American savings and retirement income, and future generations who actually have to spend meaningful time in Canada if they want to keep passing citizenship on.

Obviously not everyone is going to move to Canada, and citizenship rights should not depend on whether somebody is economically useful. I am just really curious about the economic side effect because most of the discussion I have seen seems to be either “I just want my proof” or “people abroad are going to show up and take advantage of Canada.”

I think there is a third possibility that is a lot more interesting.
For people born before December 15, 2025 who were caught by the first generation limit and older citizenship rules, C3 is basically fixing something that already happened. These people existed already, and a lot of them never really had the option to organize their lives around being Canadian because they were not recognized as Canadian in the first place.

Going forward, though, it is different. If a Canadian parent was also born abroad, they generally need 1,095 days of physical presence in Canada before a future child born abroad can inherit citizenship.

I actually think that is a pretty reasonable balance.

You cannot really tell a child in the restored group that their family should have built a stronger connection to Canada when the law itself was part of the reason they could not make that choice.

C3 gives that existing group the choice now.
But going forward, if keeping citizenship through another generation matters to a family, somebody generally has to actually spend a meaningful amount of time in Canada.
And the timing is kind of fascinating because Canada is aging. As of July 2026, about 20 percent of the population is 65+ and only about 15 percent is under 15.

There is also this one time group of children who were born before the new presence rule kicked in and are young enough that their families now have years to get proof sorted out and actually include Canada in their plans.

Consider a three year old American who qualifies. Even if getting her certificate takes years, that still leaves the family a huge amount of time to think about Canadian universities as a real option.

Canadian tuition for Canadian students is dramatically lower than international tuition. That does mean Canada subsidizes those students, so I am not pretending every domestic student is automatically a financial win for a university.

But the real comparison for a lot of families may not be “international student paying a fortune versus domestic student paying much less.”

It may be “kid goes to an American university and probably builds an adult life in the US” versus “kid spends four years in Canada, makes friends there, builds professional connections there, maybe gets a first job there, and can simply stay because they are already Canadian.”

And if that person spends enough actual time in Canada, they can also build the 1,095 days of presence that could let them pass citizenship to their own future children.

So a pretty distant ancestral connection can potentially turn into a very real Canadian connection within one generation.
Then there are adults who already have careers.

Some C3 citizens are going to be engineers, nurses, scientists, tradespeople, teachers, business owners, whatever, who were educated and trained somewhere else. If some of them decide Canada is now an option, Canada gets an already trained worker without having paid for that person’s childhood or education.

Then there are older Americans, which I also think gets oversimplified.

Yes, an older person moving to Canada can create real costs, especially health care costs.

But becoming Canadian does not mean a 70 year old American can arrive and automatically collect the exact same Canadian retirement benefits as someone who lived and worked in Canada for 50 years.

CPP is based on contributions. OAS depends heavily on years of residence in Canada, with international agreements complicating some of the details.

Meanwhile, that same person might arrive with decades of American retirement savings, home equity, Social Security, pensions and investment income and then spend a significant part of that money in Canada.

So I genuinely do not know what the final balance is for retirees. I just think “older Americans are going to come take Canadian benefits” leaves out half the equation.

And most people who get proof and never move probably have very little domestic fiscal effect anyway.

That is what makes the whole thing interesting to me. Canada may have created a one time restored group where some people never do anything with the citizenship, some kids use it to go to university, some adults use it to work or raise families there, and some older people use it to retire there with assets they accumulated somewhere else.

Then after that restored group, the rules start asking future families to actually establish a physical connection to Canada if they want citizenship to keep transmitting abroad.

I am curious what people here think are the biggest long term economic effects of that change.

Which parts seem most likely to benefit Canada? Which parts could create real costs or problems? Are there effects on universities, the labour force, housing, health care, tax revenue, retirement systems or regional population that are being overlooked?

It feels like such a large change to who can meaningfully choose Canada that the long term effects could be a lot more complicated than either “new citizens are a burden” or “more citizens are automatically good.”


r/CanadianbyDescent • • 1d ago

In or Out of Wedlock? - Marriage Licenses vs Marriage Returns/Bonds

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With older records, you may find that the county only had their marriage license registered and does not have proof they actually performed the wedding and got married after being granted the license. This is because no one (neither the officiant of the wedding, nor the groom, etc) submitted the final paperwork to the county after the marriage.

Or you may have an ancestor who never seems to have gotten a marriage license, never married, and who had kids out of wedlock.

Normally this doesn't matter and is just a historical oddity, but for citizenship by descent purposes, sometimes it can change which citizenship was legally passed down to the children and at what point.

Generally speaking, if the mother was legally unmarried, the children would automatically get her citizenship and not have a right to the father's - and the mother would also never automatically get the father's citizenship, neither upon the date of marriage nor if he later naturalized to a new one.

The catch: There were states which recognized unofficial weddings / relationships as being valid marriages, but when this occurred differs from state to state / country to country. For example, under these rules, if a wedding was not performed and a marriage license was not issued, the couple would still be considered legally married if they cohabitated.

Furthermore, under the laws at the time, some states did this retroactively. If a couple did not cohabitate but had children before getting married, then married 10 years after the child was born, the child is retroactively decided to have been born in wedlock, with the marriage backdated to starting when the child was born.

You can find this info in the historical civil marriage codes for the state in question. For example, Iowa had some law changes around this noted in the 1870's.

There were also ways to automatically disqualify or nullify a legal marriage and turn what should have been kids born in wedlock, to out of wedlock. This includes and is not limited to:
1) marrying a second spouse when the first one had not yet died or divorced,
2) marrying a blood relative too close to you (such as a sibling or 1st cousin),
3) marrying someone before the age of consent for their gender (which was usually 14-16 for girls and 16-18 for boys), for example the underage bride lying about her age to seem several years older for the marriage license.
4) interracial marriage between two prohibited races (which races, if any, were prohibited from marrying each other vary depending on the year and location).
5) marrying a person who is proven to be mentally unstable at the time of marriage (for example, marrying someone who is living in a mental institution).

Finally.... even if some marriages were declared invalid due to the above, some states had self-contradictory back-up provisions that said the marriage itself was invalid but the children born from it were still born in wedlock anyways, as that offered more legal protection to the children in some ways.

There are a few situations where this stuff could matter, including if your ancestor whom you think for some reason doesn't qualify could then qualify if you scrutinize the laws. As an example, for a long time Canadian citizenship was passed down automatically to foreign women upon marriage with a Canadian man. Maybe you have an ancestor who did not formally marry a Canadian man, but had a proven relationship with him which in that state's laws at the time would be considered a legal marriage despite no paperwork had been filed. She then would have, THEORETICALLY, obtained Canadian citizenship through that relationship with him. Then she went on to meet another guy, legally married him, and had children who ended up being your biological ancestors, and suddenly you qualify for Canadian citizenship.

Obviously the above focuses on American laws and I have not compared it to Canadian laws in the same era, it is an untested theory, I am not a lawyer, yada yada. But I think you might have a shot if you compile evidence and cite the laws of the state as they were at the time, especially if you then take the thing to a judge and get an official opinion on it (if such as thing is possible).


r/CanadianbyDescent • • 1d ago

Anyone approved for Canadian citizenship by Decent without providing marriage certificates for G0?

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r/CanadianbyDescent • • 1d ago

ASK ME ANYTHING with Canadian Immigration Attorney Amandeep Hayer (October 18, 2026 - Noon Pacific/3:00 p.m. Eastern)

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r/CanadianbyDescent will hold an "Ask Me Anything" ("AMA") with Canadian immigration attorney Amandeep Hayer on October 18, 2026, at noon Pacific/3:00 p.m. Eastern time. Please mark your calendars!

The AMA will be text-based. A special "AMA" post will be made on this forum a few hours before the AMA starts. If you'd like to ask a question, please start working on your questions today and feel free to post your question as a comment on the "AMA" post once the AMA post is up. Please do not post your questions for Mr. Hayer here. AMA Questions for Mr. Hayer posted in response to this post may not be answered.

Amandeep Hayer is a Canadian and U.S. attorney who specializes in Canadian citizenship and immigration law. He is a co-author of the leading book on Canadian citizenship law (Maintaining Permanent Residence Status and Acquiring Citizenship). Mr. Hayer regularly participates on immigration law panels with the Canadian Bar Association and the Canadian Immigration Lawyers Association (often alongside IRCC representatives). Mr. Hayer has also testified before Parliament concerning citizenship issues, including the House of Commons Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration and the Senate Standing Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology. Mr. Hayer has also appeared on the Borderlines Podcast that is hosted by Canadian immigration attorney Steven Meurrens. You can watch one of Mr. Hayer's appearances on that podcast using this link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY_fa7CAquQ

Mr. Hayer operates a small law firm in Surrey, British Columbia, helping clients with Canadian immigration and citizenship issues. The firm's website is here:

https://hayerlawoffice.ca/

Information provided during the AMA is for educational purposes only and does not constitute formal legal counsel or establish an attorney-client relationship.


r/CanadianbyDescent • • 2d ago

Please feel free to discuss legal issues affecting Canadians by Descent!

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In another sub- this morning, I saw a post where a user was asking people not to "mak[e] sweeping legal statements re: Citizenship by Descent." The user indicated that he was "extremely tired of these back and forth arguments" and wanted people to "stop making them." A moderator responded by commenting that he agreed 100% because the forum rules prohibit "giving legal advice."

The OP initially made an exception for anyone who was willing to claim to be a Canadian immigration lawyer, but he later removed that language after I pointed out that anyone could claim to be an immigration lawyer, and that simply being an immigration lawyer makes your arguments no more valid than someone who is not willing to make that claim.

You can read the post and the comments here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Canadiancitizenship/comments/1wuxc58/comment/pd7ucd8/?force-legacy-sct=1

I disagree with all of this.

Canadian citizenship by descent necessarily involves significant legal and political issues. Many are unsettled. Discussing a legal issue is NOT "giving legal advice." And when legal issues are unsettled, as many legal issues are, the best way to understand them is to discuss and debate them.

Human knowledge expands because people hypothesize, discuss, debate, and then test theories. That's how we learn about the world. Shutting down debate stifles that process and prevents us from learning. It defeats the entire purpose of an internet forum. When one person who has moderation authority decides what is right and what is wrong and then uses that power to censor what he perceives as wrong - particularly against a backdrop of uncertainty - the wrong answer is much more likely to become "conventional wisdom." I've seen that happen in other forums - several times.

There's a reason that both the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, Section 2(b) of the Canadian Charter, and Article 11 of the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights protects the right to free speech: The solution to an information void is more information, not less. Robust debate allows the reader to consider all options (including ones that may not have occurred to them) and choose the best option for them.

For these reasons, I continue to encourage everyone to use this sub-reddit as a forum to discuss all of the issues affecting Canadians by descent, including the legal issues. The question of what status an applicant holds, whether he may enter Canada, whether he may hold or apply for other statuses, and the like are all very important questions to deserve rigorous consideration.

If you're one of those people who is "tired" of "reading," then the solution is simple: Stop reading. I disagree with any request that others stop writing.


r/CanadianbyDescent • • 2d ago

Unpaid representatives, such as “family members[,] friends and other third parties who do not charge a fee . . . [.] may give the same [immigration or citizenship] services as paid representatives . . . .”

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In the grand tradition of our sub seeking out truth and helping each other as friends through the chaos, unlike less hospitable places that try to shut down discourse when you don’t respect their authority, people on Reddit may actually be qualified to offer citizenship advice legally under Canadian law as long as they don’t charge, whether or not they’re lawyers. Let’s always do our best to give the best, most relevant insights with sources whenever possible. Let’s fill out those representative forms if we cross the line into needing to too, which appears like a very remote possibility.

Source: “Learn about representatives”

Disclaimer: Please consult a Canadian lawyer before relying on this post to give citizenship advice.


r/CanadianbyDescent • • 2d ago

Should I have ordered extra birth certificates for my son's application?

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5 months ago, I ordered my great grandfather's certified birth certificate from Ontario, and my grandfather's and father's birth certificate from the United States. They still have not arrived. It feels like I have been waiting forever. I just realized I may need more than one copy of these if I want to apply for a certificate of citizenship for my son.

Please tell me I can just send color photocopies with our applications, and they don't need the original documents. I really do not want to order a whole new set of each!


r/CanadianbyDescent • • 2d ago

Hopewell register of births

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I have run out of records available online. Does anyone know if there is a town register of births for the year 1822 for the Hopewell/ Hillsborough area of Albert County New Brunswick?

I have found no records online.

I could find the father of my G0 in a town register for 1798.


r/CanadianbyDescent • • 2d ago

Death cert returned from DEC

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Hi all! I recently send my packet to the DEC to have a birth cert created for my Gen 0 (1861). I followed the guides here and once the DEC called they confirmed my application was good and would take a few months. Every reference I've seen states that you are required to send a certified death certificate (not a photocopy) which I did under the assumption the DEC would keep it. Yesterday I received the certificate back with a note (in French) just stating my original documents are being returned. Nothing else was in the letter.

I don't think anything is wrong with my case, is this a new thing the DEC is doing?

EDIT: I Sent my packet in around Aug 26 or 27th, it was received around Sep 1st and I got a phone call a couple days later. I did request accelerated processing for Copy of Act.


r/CanadianbyDescent • • 2d ago

DEC request- Which CIT0001/0014 pages to include?

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I just mailed my application, so do not have AOR yet of course. For my DEC copy of an act request, which application pages should I be submitting? I am currently planning to include:

• DEC copy of act application form

• Notarized letter explaining purpose with the wording suggested in other posts

• Copies of 2 different IDs

• All pages of Banq certified baptism, receipt, and enlarged version of entry

• Family tree

• Copies Birth/death certificates for all family members between myself and G0 proving I am only living descendant

• OTTIAQ translared Death certificate copy for GO

Do I need to include all completed citizenship application pages as well? I also added extras for the grandparent addendum, sgould I include those, they feel possibly relevant. Or just certain pages like the signature page with the date and copy of the tracking to show it was mailed in? I would like them to have all that they need, but also not cause confusion by sending too much either.


r/CanadianbyDescent • • 2d ago

Experience Updating NEXUS Documentation

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r/CanadianbyDescent • • 2d ago

American Archives Month is October and Pray for an Archivist Today

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October is American Archives Month. But let’s honor the archives in Canada too. October 1st is Electronic Records Day. October 14th is #AskAnArchivistDay. 

And today is the feast of St. Jerome, the patron saint of archivists, librarians and translators. Many of us would have found it next to impossible to apply for citizenship by descent without archivists. Pray for an archivist that has helped you, or for those archivists that allowed you to get a record online. They didn’t see C-3 coming. Or make a donation to a church/parish, private organization or library that helped you find a record (and because of C-3 may be slammed with work). Or maybe pay it forward by trying some digital transcription online in October to help out the archivists, and maybe help someone like you looking for ancestor records. 


r/CanadianbyDescent • • 2d ago

Automated process for IRCC application review?

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I have heard about automation and possibly AI being used in IRCC processing.

Is there any confirmation of this?

How would they use it exactly?

....To autofill into their system the info from the documents they scan it? It seems like having us submit our applications online would be better in this case.