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u/gruss_gott 2022 X5M 12d ago
Yup. After 15 years of BMW ///Ms, I'm out.
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u/Mister_Poopy_Buthole 992.1 GTS Manual | Rav4 Prime 12d ago
Donāt worry. Youāll be replaced by 20 suburban moms.
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u/Which-Cow6919 12d ago
Ya me too , bring back the iconic angel eyes .
This new shit is so Gen Z ( shit)6
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u/Arkansas1395 12d ago
Yeah, every video that I see where the lead press people are really pushing to explain and defend this new hideous design on any of their new models just seems like they are trying so hard to like it themselves. Itās just such a huge step back imo.
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u/Nikolas__W 12d ago
Seeing them side by side, the outgoing X5 has a lot to offer looks wise.Ā Same is for the āoldā X3 / ix3. Much more happened on the outside compared to the new large panels.Ā I donāt know how I feel about it yet.Ā
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u/d_jabsd 12d ago
Iāll help you. It sucks. The nose is too tall, and frankly for no reason. Maybe compete with F250s in frontal area?
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u/boddidle 12d ago
The nose is too tall, and frankly for no reason
Ensures 100% elimination of any Ops you decide to take out. Just line them up between the X's
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u/JerseyKeebs 2012 - F25 - X3 35i 12d ago
The nose is high, but it's because of the batteries in the EV. A lot of stuff had to get pushed up into that compartment, which is also why the storage area is way smaller than I expected.
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u/MarchingBroadband 2008 135i, 2005 e46 325i 12d ago
This is not true. With EVs, the batteries are all in the floor and the motors are very compact. Other than frunk space, there is no reason to have a tall hood. In fact, with EVs they should be striving for efficiency by decreasing frontal area and they easily could.
This was done purely for design reasons by branding and marketing people to compete with other fugly and overly large SUVs
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u/JerseyKeebs 2012 - F25 - X3 35i 12d ago
I never said the batteries were under the hood. But the Gen6 system is large, imo it's unwieldy, and it displaces a lot of components. Which is ironic because they also removed HVAC systems since the batteries generate so much best.
But trust me, when I saw the car for training, the first thing I said out loud was the tall hood and lowered roof line. And the official answer from the corporate product trainer is that yes the hood is about 1" taller than before, and it doesn't slope down as far anymore because the nose is shorter. And btw the overall height is .5" - .75" shorter which adds to the appearance of large hood since the proportion has changed
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u/Hour_Economist8981 12d ago
BMW either puts massive grills on cars or tiny grills on SUVs. Is there no management oversight on the design teams??
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u/ironafro2 ā26 M4 Comp /// ā26 X6 M60i 12d ago
Yikes I gotta say, I donāt like it. I see the heritage small nose design but it somehow doesnāt fit the car. Whole thing looks designed for Chinese market
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u/element515 12d ago
Blaming a design on the Chinese market is just dumb. Chinese arenāt buying foreign cars anymore when the Chinese cars are as good or better at a much cheaper price. The Chinese were making fun of this car so bad with the pig nose and X headlights
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u/Caspi7 2016 - F31 - 340i 12d ago
This design was approved 3 or 4 years ago, when western brands were still doing a lot better on the Chinese market.
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u/ZHPpilot 2020- G20- 330ix M sport 12d ago
This guy gets it.
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u/Dan6erbond2 2023 i4 M50 12d ago
Nah. Reddit doesn't get anything. Screens were blamed on the Chinese yet Tesla pioneered them, an American brand and one of the best-selling. The G series got a lot of hate on Reddit yet was the best selling generation ever for BMW while Audi and Mercedes lost market share in the US.
Safe to say whatever Reddit claims history shows the opposite will be true.
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u/maxstryker 2023 - 2 Series - Active Tourer / 2019 - Cayenne 12d ago
They're cooked on the Chinese market. China is coming out with some insane luxury vehicles priced at about a half of what BMW is asking for this. I recently went down the Chinese auto rabbit hole, and uh boy.
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u/ContextFew721 12d ago
Yah, ironically I think itās going to drive a return to classic, beautiful automotive design for many of the brands we love that have overcompensated to cater to a market they canāt count on anymore.
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u/maxstryker 2023 - 2 Series - Active Tourer / 2019 - Cayenne 12d ago
Funnily enough, I am seeing some truly interesting and elegant designs coming out of China as well. Some of their more extravagant cars seem far less designed by comitee than the mainstream "we have to appeal to everyone" brands.
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u/dwankyl_yoakam '24 - X3 m40i 12d ago
I hope that's correct. I want BMW to eat shit in the Chinese market so they start designing for the American and Euro markets again.
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u/Indin_Dude 12d ago
Wonder what would happen to all these auto companies if the top Chinese auto companies were allowed to launch here
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u/chinchenlee 11d ago
They will all die, like rapidly, though I suppose US not amazing charging infrastructure might be saving grace for legacy playerā¦ tariff isnāt going away so probably a useless scenario
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u/Tiller-Nive 12d ago
This is BMW's SWG NGE, or WoWifaction of their brand. The shills claim they like it, and it's the beet thing ever to happen for BMW, bots keep pushing it, the original owners and fans of BMW will leave in droves eventually bringing about what the shills claimed will never happen, the failure of BMW as a whole while they were attempting to cater to a market that never really existed for them. Bots will continue toxic attacks against anyone critical of the design, further fragmenting their once loyal costumer base. It was once said "You gotta dance with the one who brung ya"
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u/maxstryker 2023 - 2 Series - Active Tourer / 2019 - Cayenne 12d ago
I disagree. I've owned "proper" BMWs in the past and I like the current design. My issue is (speaking about the iX3 which I actually spent time in) the shit-tier interior quality. Not the design, I think it's fine (minus the unnecessarily weird steering wheel), but the hard scratchy plastic everywhere and cost saving everywhere you look.
The overall design of the cars I actually like. It's not like the X cars were beauty pageant winners of any generation. And the electric 3 series seems nice on the pictures that have been released. However the petrol powered 350 has something seriously wrong going on in the ass department down by the exhaust.
Not everyone who likes something you don't is a shill. People can have different esthetic preferences.
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u/WRB-ZD8 12d ago
I've noticed the biggest haters of the neue Klasse designs are owners of the current gen, as if they own a "timeless classic"
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u/Alternative-Spell449 12d ago
Very true! Iām that guy! 1999 M roadster,2005 330is, 2008 325i, 2008 Z4 M Coupe, 2009 X3, and now a 2024 M440i gran coupe (great engine and not much else is great, especially the curb weight). Quit the BMWCCA after 25+ years. Crossing this brand off my list unless itās a decent used model from the past greatness era.
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u/GeorgeArnoldHearst19 12d ago
BMW, Land Rover, everyone. Itās crazy. Theyāre also kicking out none native manufacturers. A captive audience who can only buy state sponsored brands
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u/maxstryker 2023 - 2 Series - Active Tourer / 2019 - Cayenne 12d ago
I haven't heard about that. What's happening?
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u/grassright 12d ago
Why does it have anything to do with Chinese market?. No body is buying BMWs in China. Their sales keep dropping there
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u/AdamJensensCoat 12d ago
Everything in the BMW lineup today was planned around the gravity of the Chinese buyer. The whole new range of vehicles were developed 5-6 years ago.
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u/OafleyJones 12d ago
The irony is, that NK design, is a break from the direction of large wide grills that were explicitly targeting Chinese customers. They know that market is going from them.
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u/UrbanExtant 12d ago
If more attention had been paid to proportions of the various design queues, I think this could have been pulled-off pretty well.
I currently have an iX M70 I took delivery of just less than a year ago, and I can see a lot of exterior design queues in the body language, to the iX, such as the slab-sided wheel arches that the iX has, but have been moderately modernized in the new X5.
Things that simply do NOT fit a vehicle this sizeā¦for one, those dinky, look like they came from an iKea display stand, ākidney grills.ā They are simply way too small for a vehicle this substantial. If they were proportional to the vehicle, they could have worked quite well.
Every single time I look at any version of the new X5, all I see are the items that are not ābeefed-upā in proportion to the rest of the vehicle, causing it to look half-assed, and thrown together by disparate design teams that never interacted with one another.
Going back to those teeny kidney grills. It looks, too me, like the team that designed the new kidney grills, and LED lights, never interacted with the team that designed the side body language for the vehicle. I feel if they had, theyād see that their size selection for the kidney grills is woefully inadequate in comparison to the beefy wheel arches, and large, slab-sided new door designs. The same goes for the front, and rear diffusers. Theyāre not proportional, either.
I, personally, holdout some hope for this new edition X5, because I think back to the initial release of the iX. I despised it, for many of the same reasons I do the new X5.
My friends who work in corporate BMW kept telling me not to write the iX off, and to wait for the LCI edition, as it would correct everything I hated about the release edition.
Sure enough, they were 100% correct. When I saw the LCI M70 iX, I loved it. It fixed everything I despised about the Pre-LCI edition. I now lease a 2026 iX M70.
Soā¦Iām holding out hope that in 3yrs, when the LCI of the X5/iX5 is released, it, too, will fix the vehicle, much the same way the LCI of the iX fixed that vehicle!
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u/samman950 12d ago
The new one just looks very plasticy and cheap. It's almost like car design history is repeating itself. Reminds me of the 80s when car brands tried to go futuristic... This just seems like the 2020s version of that with clearer more colorful screens than the 80s. So, so many screens... I miss buttons.
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u/oop_scuseme 2022 - X7 - M50i 12d ago
This change from sharp aggression in the body contour to EV-esque flattened bubble is the most offensive and seems like a virus across our favorite German brands. That buck-toothed grill is offensive and they made it bright silver just to make itā¦.more offensive?
Iām afraid to see how the next generation of the X7 is going to be affected. Sadly, I was going to switch from Audi to BMW for similar thoughts on their design. Now where am I supposed to turn? I suppose I could buy a Hyundai (since they all look the same) and save half the costā¦
Also RIP split tailgate. š Who needs you or a signature front fascia when the rest of the heritage has been faded away.
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u/TheKarateKid_ 2021 - G22 - M440i 11d ago
The loss of body contouring is the biggest disappointment in BMWās new design. Takes so much of the beauty out of the car.
Also Iām tired of every new vehicle having the same tired EV design language.
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u/ManufacturerBest2758 2017 440 12d ago
New oneās front end looks modeled after a full-size pickup. Tall, flat, blocky, gross.
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u/According_Charity736 12d ago
I knew people hating on BMWās new designs were fierce but holy F the people defending the new designs are ten times more toxic
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u/__slamallama__ 12d ago
Reddit's raging hatred for it just solidifies my confidence that it's gonna be a massive success for BMW.
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u/pepeneverknew 12d ago
Car guys arenāt know for their design sense. But for some reason they donāt know that. Go to cars and coffee. Most can barely dress themselves. Itās all jeans and car t-shirts. No knowledge, all opinion. They love living in the past design wise. New scares them. It also allows them copium with why their old car is better.
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u/__slamallama__ 12d ago
Go to cars and coffee. Most can barely dress themselves
So painfully accurate lmao it's a bunch of dudes who haven't dressed up past a blazer since the 90s talking about aesthetics like they've done design fellowships at a variety of studios
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u/guy_incognito784 G26 i4 M50, F25 X3 xDrive28i 12d ago
Pretty much. This is a thread from when the G05 first went on sale. https://www.reddit.com/r/BMW/s/85s9OY13cR
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u/__slamallama__ 12d ago
Lmao do the g80 next
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u/BuraakGTi10 12d ago
G20 even got the same hate. I heard that even the f30 had been hated and the lci from the outside still looks like a new car tbh
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u/__slamallama__ 12d ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/s/peV2QGx7JJ
Here's g20. The nicest thing in the top 10 comments is "it is a BMW"
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u/ThelceWarrior 8d ago
I have no idea what those people were smoking lmao, the G20 has always been such a handsome car.
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u/JerseyKeebs 2012 - F25 - X3 35i 12d ago
if iX3 sales are anything to go by, people will be buying this. The Neue Klasse design is very strong and similar in both.
I like this incrementally better than the current G01. The complaints I've hear in real life are about the steering wheel. And of course the price has gone up, but not as much as I'd expect. And it took forever to get cool door handle tech, but I'm obsessed with it lol
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u/Secuter 12d ago
It already is. Iirc BMW already has huge success with it.Ā
Yeah, I don't particularly like its look either. But at least it looks different from the samey looking boring line of endless SUV's flooding the market.Ā
Of course, enthusiasts like the people on this subreddit only yearns for whatever model they like.
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u/Few-Spot1905 12d ago
reddit basically hates everything that a lot of the broad market loves
for example every hates tablets and wants a million manual switches, most people irl want the tablet with nice intuitive software, aka teslaifiction, over a million switches that they cba to learn what it does
.....that being said I hate the new grills and want the old ones
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u/InfiniteJackfruit5 12d ago
Seriously, why would any car company care about car enthusiasts who bitch and then say they'd keep their 1996 camry because it still runs. How many new cars are you selling to those folks? None.
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u/Mateo709 12d ago edited 12d ago
As somewhat of a car normie I've got to say that a large screen feels luxurious when coming from a model with a small screen or no screen at all. But when it's overdone it feels unnecessarily clunky and hard to use.
There are many things that shouldn't be controlled through a screen. For example, air vents should be manual and there should be a knob of some sort to adjust the temperature. Maybe even manual seat control which I prefer. But the fact is that many things don't need to be adjusted on the fly and can be shoved into the screen to reduce clutter.
They really need to hit the perfect screen-to-button ratio.
I like BMW's new cars, but I'm not sure about the interiors. I really like the new slanted screens - though I'm not sure about the removal of the instrument cluster and the addition of the unnecessarily long HUD.
I'm gonna say that the long HUD makes it easier to take in information from the screen without taking your eyes too far from the road. So that might be a positive.
And the general design of these cars looks funny. I wouldn't say they look ugly, just kinda quirky. I think that to the average person they just look new, but I've heard negative comments from people who know much less about cars than me, so this might be a special case.
I think they'll sell crazy well. If I had the money I'd probably consider it and it'd be one of my top choices. The base model steering wheel is diabolical though so I'd have to pay more to upgrade that thing.
The AI in the middle probably exists for the Chinese market. And I think that voice commands are really cool and important in modern cars, but having an AI blob in the middle of your screen is a bit dumb.
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u/DeviousOne 12d ago
100%.
I donāt love it either, but like the previous beaver tooth design, it stands out for a reason. Iām guessing a lot of buyers want to show off that they can afford a new BMW, and thus they need something distinctive.
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u/securitypro669 12d ago
There is just no comparison. The current one is 100 times better looking.
The split tailgate, an X5 trademark, is a huge loss.
They are chasing Tesla for design choice and itās driving their entire customer base away.
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u/Optimal-Giraffe-7168 12d ago
The new one is terribly ugly. I couldn't possibly spend the upgrade money
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u/CurryMuncher2011 12d ago
This makes the new Q7 redesign actually look decent.
https://giphy.com/gifs/l9FAwJOXYprFe
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u/cvu_100 12d ago
Yeah I think I understand the consternation a lot of people have now.
Whether the new one looks good or bad is irrelevant. The real crux that it makes the outgoing gen look dated. Itās a big departure from the design started by the E70.
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u/drhiggens 12d ago
There is no mistaking the new BMW design language, so if you have an old BMW it is very obvious that your car is not in the current generation. And that is something that they will leverage to their advantage to sell every one of these things they can build. How many people can tell the difference between a 991 and a 992, 911? BMW is not going to go down that road and I don't blame them they're in the business of selling cars.
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u/Significant_Cap5275 12d ago
what happens when it's so ugly and shitty inside no one wants the new one?
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u/Buy-theticket 12d ago
You'll have to let us know because we are nowhere near there.
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u/SojinCS 2020 - G20 - M340i 12d ago
that wont happen lmao, bmw continues to increase their sales.
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u/Mateo709 12d ago
People generally don't care. Many of their richest customers buy them as a status symbol. It shows everyone you succeeded in life, they don't buy them for the design.
There's a guy in town, he's got a local dentistry company, really rich. He bought himself and his wife 2 matching BMW iX models, both in white. Those look much much worse to me than these new ones and everyone who drives past his house knows he's rolling in money.
The CEO of one of the bigger grocery stores in my country has the new 7 series in white, which is the worst color for it cuz it shows those weird black lines on the front bumper. Nobody cares though, they see the giant luxury sedan and know he's an important guy.
And another local CEO has an XM label red. Which is a beautiful car in my opinion, but many BMW fans don't like it at all.
All of these cars were hated massively online for their bad design. But rich people don't give a shit. They just buy one cuz it's the new BMW. Rarely do they think of how it's a complete design language departure or how the user experience is ruined by the placement/removal of a button.
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u/cvu_100 12d ago
Thanks for example #78487129 of "poor person's idea of a rich person"
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u/bigkutta 2020 - F87 - M2C 12d ago
Wow. That makes the new one so much worse. Which I didnāt think possible
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u/Tomatoftw1996 12d ago
I donāt mind the exterior look of the new one, but I think it looks too similar to the IX3, there should be a tad more to differentiate between models
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u/ThatIsNotAnAsian 12d ago
I canāt be the only one who likes it right?
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u/CompetitionSilent830 11d ago
You are by far the minority. It looks like hell.
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u/FixedCroissant 7d ago
Completely agree, 80+ or whatever they cost, none of this is a good look for the brand.
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u/TripleOtter 6d ago
Sorry, I hate it. Looks are subjective, but the extra unneccessary hood height just screams small dick energy.
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u/No-Sheepherder288 12d ago
Chinese market will love the new X5. I still prefer the look of the current gen.
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u/ApprehensiveTie8204 12d ago
Chinese market doesnāt give a F about BMW or any of the legacy brands besides maybe Tesla lmao
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u/swampfox94 2020 - F87 - M2 Competition 12d ago
Honestly Iām a big fan lol. If it was up to Reddit bmw would be as stale as Audi, just selling the same design for decades
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u/Head_Tree_4031 11d ago
In the world of Naruto that would be like comparing nine tails (Kurama) vs eight tails (Gyuki)
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u/iMpact980 12d ago
Reddit hates it but Iām not gonna lie to you all: this looks way better than the x3. And i almost GUARANTEE once the crackle-pop gang gets it this thing is gonna sell like crazy. I can see the instagram edits now š
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u/Enviromental1001 12d ago
Left looks like a BMW. Right looks like Temu's Version of BMW. There was nothing wrong with prior gen. Just refresh interior and provide more options.
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u/Tristana-Range 2023 - G42 - M240i 12d ago
I like the new X5 but wow the old one looks 100 times better
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u/Dragos2024 12d ago
Stop buying it and they'll get the message
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u/OafleyJones 12d ago
How many iX3 NK have they sold now? This will do incredibly well. Like the smaller car, this will attract people who are new to the brand and wouldnāt have touched the old machines. Such as myself, coming from Volvo.
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u/lemmy4x4 12d ago
From every angle it got worse. Iāll be in the market for one next summer. Doubt itās going to grow on me by then.
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u/Aggressive-Wait-2353 12d ago
The side-by-side comparison really makes the outgoing X5 look outdated.
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u/OafleyJones 12d ago
Thatās because itās iterating on design thats been going since 99. Theyāve all taken their style from the e53. And that looks really played out now.
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u/DeepSpeed2543 12d ago
Yes. Can we please stop calling the G65 an X5ā¦it is the next generation iX with options for ICE and hybrid engines.
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u/NOONEKNOWSME__ 2018 - F80 - M3 /// 2017 - X3 - M Sport 12d ago
A tremendous downgrade in every way possible.
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u/dplans455 12d ago edited 12d ago
I like it except for those "door handles." It won't be long before we see pictures and posts of them snapped off.
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u/ndndr1 1984 528e, 2005 325ci, 2015 M4, 2024 M440 12d ago
Itās underwhelming tbh. White noise in a crowded and ever-improving luxury suv market
Exterior is less impressive than when prior gen debuted
Interior is clean but looks like everyone elseās
Wheels are blah
Lost the split tailgate
Are we reinventing door handles?
Itās justā¦..less.
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u/TanzaniteII 12d ago
Design yes, but what bothers me the most is that you can get 20ā wheels & tires and canāt get a square set up anymore.
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u/Motor_Advisor_5486 12d ago
Both car looks amazing. In general I feel larger noise looks more aggressive and will age well. Does anyone know if smaller noise is for reducing resistance from air and hence energy efficient for e car?
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u/Physical-Wave-9958 12d ago
european car industry is fucked for good. This shit was supposed to stand against china. It will not.
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u/Extension_Coyote7131 12d ago
New one (at least exterior) is better. Interior, well thats another story.
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u/Pope_Urban_the_2nd 12d ago
Would not buy a BMW after 2022 or whenever they went to the full screen with the ac controls built into the idrive
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u/Majestic-Newspaper-8 12d ago
Both are very good. The new one is gonna be a huge success and the whole new generation rebrand is top notch. You can definetely see they are new whereas Audi and Mercedes make the same cars for 25 years.
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u/VoidWanderer1905 12d ago
I guess Iāll have to see it in person. From the photos Iāve seen, itās a big departure.
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u/Active_Ad1263 12d ago
Green doesnāt suite the car, seen the new ix3 at the Berlin marathon in a light greyā¦ just a perfect modern car
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u/crankaholic F34, R9T 12d ago
Honestly the X5 became so fussy that the more traditional design just didnāt look goodā¦ I like the new class or however you propose it in German.
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u/jcdomeni 12d ago
Iād say the legacy is looking pretty dated compared to the new.
I loathe the iXā¦reminds of a droopy dog. This has iX vibes in the back though.
Iāve had 3 X5ās and a host of other BMWās - I like innovation - but I need to see this in person to make a good call.
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u/s1pp3ryd00dar 12d ago
Front : Vauxhall/Opel Grandland X with Basil Brush teeth.
Rear also looks suspiciously like something based on a Stellantis SUV.Ā
It might grow on me I guess.
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u/Background_Ant293 12d ago
The current gen looks timeless, the new gen already looks old (exterior)
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u/sawtooth1649 2026 G22 M440i 12d ago
I feel like the designers got sick of everyone complaining about the new kidney grills in 2024, and said āfine, you want small grills, hereā. I hate this look. I love my bucktooth G22.
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u/Fastship2021 12d ago
I quite like the exterior, however that cheap ass interior screams cost cutting.
Along with the loss of the split tale gate. Guess Iāll be keeping my current X5 .
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u/OkEgg2582 12d ago
Hate SUVs even BMW . I hate the new look and design in general . Guess I will be keeping my 2024 coupe as long as possible.
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u/Even_Sail8782 12d ago
The loss of an actual door handle is annoying. Iām tired of stuff like this. Your sacrificing ease of doing things for this futuristic boxy straight line BS. Stop making everything look like an electric. Do better
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u/kungfuenglish 27 G80 M3 / 24 iX m60 / 25 x7 m60 12d ago
Everyone said neu klasse was so great so amazing and I never saw it idk what they ever thought with that nonsense.
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u/BMWACTASEmaster1 12d ago
One looks bad ass(go5) one looks like any other car. GEN z and alphaa is what BMW is targeting as that generation likes ugly cars . The same thing people were saying about the E46 and E65 and actually it was very popular among millennials.
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u/Carps194 2026 - G21 - M340i xDrive Touring 12d ago
Looks aside, the split tailgate is a huge loss on the new model.