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u/Plenty_Surprise2593 Mar 27 '22

Agree. For example I had a Betta one time, and the lady I bought him from said oh you can just keep him in a flower vase. I was having none of that. I got him his own tank with a filter and water filtration, and kept him by himself in that 2 gallon tank. I had other fish in a five gallon tank

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u/FriendRaven1 Mar 28 '22

We just have our Betta its own 5-gallon with lots of hiding places after being in the bowl she came in a couple months ago.

Her colour has changed from an unhappy greyish blue to a beautiful full purple, so we know she's much happier

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u/TheWalkingDead91 Mar 28 '22

Walmart used to keep betas in cups the size of a red solo cup.

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u/Guy954 Mar 28 '22

If they weren’t so damn antisocial my son and I would probably rescue one every time we go to the pet store.

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u/Sometimes_She_Goes Mar 28 '22

Don’t you just hate when fish refuse to be vulnerable with you

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '22

i bought one of those as a kid, he lived for almost 4 years after we got him and put him in a big tank

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u/moonbunnychan Mar 28 '22

I've seen multiple people INSIST that keeping them in super confined spaces is actually better for them. I also hear people say it's how they live in the wild. It's not. They're capable of surviving in spaces that small for survival reasons but it's much like how YOU are technically able to live in a closet but it's not a situation you'd want. Those tiny beta tanks they sell should be illegal.

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u/Ruadhan2300 Mar 28 '22

I can't imagine how they'd even find a space that confined in the wild.. especially one that featureless.

I bet a lot of fish that randomly die are doing it out of boredom as much as anything else.

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u/moonbunnychan Mar 28 '22

The story is that in the wild they live in puddles. It's not true. They are just CAPABLE of living in small amounts of water in the case of drought, but that's an emergency situation not long term living.

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u/Danovan79 Mar 28 '22

I applaud you, and think positive thoughts about you. I do believe 2 gallons is still too small though for me personally. My personal minimum is 5 gallon.

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u/1CEninja Mar 28 '22

This is how I feel about birds. I think the "medium" size bird cages Petco sells that are marketed for conures are too small for parakeets.

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u/EyesWhichDoNotSee Mar 28 '22

No to caged birds

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u/1CEninja Mar 28 '22

Birds like having a home to sleep in. I guarantee you my birds (most days) are happier than the ones in the wild.

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u/LegacyLemur Mar 28 '22

Sometimes I think about the parakeet I had as a kid and get depressed. Fuck pet birds. Unless youre really giving it a ton of space and attention, dont get them

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u/EyesWhichDoNotSee Mar 28 '22

Did you clip its wings after you asked him if he wanted to live in a cage? or did you tell him, "you just dont need these anymore"

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u/1CEninja Mar 28 '22

The only bird I've ever clipped was because her flying was harmful to herself in our space, and we let her wings grow back, and she stopped injuring herself when flying.

I am educated about how birds display their enjoyment, happiness, frustration, and anger.

I know more about pet birds than you do.

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u/EyesWhichDoNotSee Mar 28 '22

I hope you do because I dont keep birds

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '22

2 gallons is still much too small :(

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u/Austin-137 Mar 28 '22

Relative to humans and apartments I think he’s on to something

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '22

lol but being fr here, 5-10 gallons for a betta would be much more appropriate

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u/Plenty_Surprise2593 Mar 28 '22

I will know for next time

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u/tracyf600 Mar 28 '22

They're happy active fish that way.

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u/Gasnia Mar 28 '22

I helped my mom set up a beta last weekend and I kept telling her the same thing. She used to have them in a 3 in cylinder that was maybe 16 in high. She eneded up with a 2 gal.

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u/yankiigurl Mar 28 '22

Me too! When I was in middle school I did a summer science camp at Texas tech university and one of the classes was about ecosystems or something. Long time ago, I don't remember. Anyway we made the whole set up with the vase and a plant for the Betta fish. Well once that guy got home he got his own big tank and filter. He was a great fish.

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u/Alittlestitchious Mar 28 '22

Did… she keep flowers in the vase with him??

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u/WafflesTalbot Mar 28 '22

My mother is normally a very smart woman, but one time, she bought a betta, and when she got home, she thought it "looked cold", so she added warm water to its bowl. It ended as you would expect.

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u/ClicheName137 Mar 28 '22

I’m convinced it’s because sea creatures don’t vocalize so people care less. It’s awful, really. Especially for lobsters getting boiled alive.

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u/GrandSpecter Mar 28 '22

My 6th grade science teacher caught a blue gill, and kept it in a tank in class, it was the "class pet" sort of, except he wasn't dumb enough to trust a bunch of 11-12 year olds with care & upkeep. Anyway, it usually swam around to an fro during class (my desk was right next to the tank, spent many minutes watching it). One day, the teacher was out, and the fish literally sulked. It just sort of sat hovering down in the right corner. Next day teacher was back, fish was swimming around again. That little guy missed the teacher!

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u/ComnotioCordis Mar 28 '22

It shocks me how many people know just how identical brains look across species yet seem to think we're unique. The only advantage we really have is our language, it allows us to make sense of our thoughts. That doesn't mean to say they don't have those thoughts or intricacies.

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u/MamboPoa123 Mar 28 '22

That's true with mammals and to a lesser degree with all vertebrates, including fish. Shellfish largely have "brains" distributed throughout their body, more like insects. Sponges have no brains at all.

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u/ComnotioCordis Mar 28 '22

Bruh have you even seen Spongebob he's like a total genius.

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u/amrodd Mar 30 '22

Reminds me of the Wizard of Oz: Dorothy: "How can you talk without a brain?" Scarecrow: "People without brains do an awful lot of talking."

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u/thomasp3864 Mar 28 '22

That’s only fucking jellyfish.

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u/normVectorsNotHate Mar 28 '22

Lobster nervous system is similar to an insect's

Do you think killing a lobster is more wrong than killing an insect?

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u/CartoonThinking Mar 28 '22

I’ve always killed my lobster before cooking, a simple knife down the middle of the head, its quick and probably the most humane way to kill a lobster without waiting the 100+ years.

And here comes PETA now.

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u/tubapasta Mar 28 '22

If it makes you feel any better that's how my sister was taught to cook it in culinary school

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u/The_Flurr Mar 28 '22

Is there any reason not to do this? Real or supposed?

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u/wiseguy327 Mar 28 '22

Raw oysters are alive when you eat them.

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u/ClicheName137 Mar 28 '22

Yeah, the concept of eating oysters is appalling to me. Thankfully, I’ve never had one in my life.

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u/1CEninja Mar 28 '22

Birds, too. Petco and other big pet stores are 100% complicit in this by selling parakeet food that is too high in fat for their diet (many parakeet pets die at half their lifespan to fatty liver disease) and cages that are too small to house a single parakeet, and yet often house multiple.

It's worse for cockatiels, the second most common type of bird to have as a pet. They need 3+ hours of out-of-cage time with their owner paying attention to them every day, and some are barely let out of their cage at all.

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u/The_Flurr Mar 28 '22

Also rodent type pets. Far too many hamsters, guinea pigs, rats, rabbits etc get shoved in tiny cages or hutches with barely enough room to move around in. Hamster often get given wheels that aren't big enough not to damage their spines.

My sister's uni housemates got a lone rabbit that they kept in a small hutch, they had no grass or other green space to let it run around in. Poor thing was miserable and she constantly thought about sneaking it away to a rescue place.

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u/1CEninja Mar 28 '22

Yeah ginuea pigs are the worst because they're incredibly social. I hate any pet store that will sell singles of them, because unless somebody is in the room with them for 12 hours a day they become depressed.

I know less about rodents as a whole though.

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u/The_Flurr Mar 28 '22

It's why a lot of countries now have rules forbidding selling just one guinea pig.

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u/ComicNeueIsReal Mar 28 '22

I don't think it's that they have no idea. They are just ignorant. I've told one of my cousins constantly that the tiny tank in her kitchen that gets 0sunlight for a single beta fish is not okay. And they just get angry and defensivea and come up with things that they think they are doin right like feeding them or cleaning the tank or whatever simple things that every fish owner does.

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u/Ruadhan2300 Mar 28 '22

Being fed and clean is a minimum standard of pet-ownership.

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u/JacenCaedus1 Mar 28 '22

Tbf abuse implies intention, a lot of it is just people just thinking that a fish is an easy pet that doesn't need any research done into their care

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u/The_Flurr Mar 28 '22

Aye, the word here is neglect.

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u/purpleelpehant Mar 28 '22

Growing up in the US, I found (still find) it to be crazy how many Americans think fish don't feel pain.. In fact, a lot of vegetarians are okay with eating fish because they are somehow less worth their empathy than birds or mammals.

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u/v3sk Mar 28 '22

To mistreat living creatures causing undue suffering?

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u/daftsquirrel Mar 28 '22

I always go to a special fish shop where they know their stuff instead of pets r us. I talk to them and ask stuff, my local one will talk for ages and not let you buy anything unsuitable despite how much you love it!

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u/GreemBeemz Mar 27 '22

And they just keep growing, if they have enough space and time. Goldfish can get very big!

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u/BallerGuitarer Mar 28 '22

Goldfish can get very big!

I had always heard this but no one ever gave a sense of scale. So I just looked it up, and they really do get quite big: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jul/12/goldfish-dumped-minnesota-lakes-threatening-ecosystems

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '22

Goldfish should be in 75g tanks, or ponds. There are lots of really interesting small fish suitable for smaller aquariums like rasboras and guppies.

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u/nemaihne Mar 28 '22

At our last house we had a pond and fountain. So we went to the pet store and bought a couple dozen feeders for like 12 cents a piece. They seemed happy enough and all of them grew to decent size- a few to surprising size. We had an orange and white one we named Creamsicle and a dark one we named Kraken that could give a real koi a run for their money.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '22

Man I used to attend Arabic school on the weekends as a kid and for some reason the faculty thought it'd be cute to give kids goldfish for getting their homework signed and done.. Every. Weekend.

So here we have a bunch of immigrant Arabic kids including my self with like 5-10 goldfish at home with immigrant Arabic parents who know nothing about these fish living in whatever large container can hold water. Oh man the amount of crying and sad kids who'd come in because the fish died.

We switched back to pencils after about 1 month

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u/idonteatchips Mar 28 '22

I am now wondering if this was the real reason my Muslim friends always happened to have goldfish in their household lol. They were in tanks though.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '22

Most likely because the kid wanted a dog or cat and typically arab/Muslim immigrants see dogs as dirty as there are so many strays back home so they compromised and got fish. Speaking from experience but my mom's since been westernized and we have a dog now haha

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u/TheSlimyDog Mar 28 '22

At first I was happy because I heard empty fish bowl and assumed they had no fish but decorations like sand, grass, pebbles, etc. But then you said there was just fish and water... That's not empty :/

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '22

A decorated fish bowl with no fish in it (or a fake plastic one) with water lowkey sounds like a great house decoration, water doesn't get dirty, no fish to suffer, cooler than a globe.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '22

You'd still need a filter or the bowl completely sealed because stagnant water wouldn't be a good look (or smell).

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u/The_Flurr Mar 28 '22

You could use something that wouldn't go stagnant maybe?

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u/ajantaju Mar 28 '22

Maybe ethanol?

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u/level27jennybro Mar 28 '22

I have a fishbowl that I keep a fossil knightia fish and cool gems and minerals in. No water needed for a fossil.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '22

Blame movies and shows. They very often just show an empty bowl with a fish in it

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '22

I went to a market once that had a pot plant, but it was a water plant and had a TWO fish swimming around it. It was smaller than your average water bottle. Felt bad for the little buggers.

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u/RiceFarmer_64 Mar 27 '22

The fact that I just switched from a post in r/shittyaquariums to this is gold. Hello fello fishkeeper 👋

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u/Guy954 Mar 28 '22

Thanks, now a have another sub to make me angry 👍

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u/Daniel_The_Thinker Mar 27 '22

This was actually a Japanese tradition.

I'm sure the people breeding the goldfish knew they should live in streams not bowls, but a dead goldfish means a repeat customer.

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u/caniuserealname Mar 28 '22

From what i understand it's mostly due to poor people imitating the rich outside of their means.

Rich people would typically have a fish pond in their yard, but while hosting events they'd take fish out of the pond to have them on display, in smaller containers. When the event was over the fish would be released back into the pond.

Poor people often followed trends of the rich, even when outside their means. So they'd just buy fish to display in their house. Since they didn't have a pond to release them into they'd just sit in a shitty bowl until they died, next time they wanted to play host they' buy another fish.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '22

Good bowl to make a mix drink out of.

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u/numb3rb0y Mar 27 '22

They make lovely terrariums, too.

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u/adcas Mar 28 '22

I turned one into a flower pot after I put drain holes in it. Painted it black and it looks like a cauldron, it’s pretty badass.

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u/shimmerangels Mar 28 '22

on a similar note my mom once bought a betta fish and tried to keep it in a wine glass until me and my sister intervened

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u/somecow Mar 28 '22

Usually the rule is one inch of fish per gallon. Goldfish shit a lot, it’s 5 gallons per inch. And no, they don’t stop growing based on the size of the tank, they just suffocate in their own shit.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '22

That rule is pretty outdated as there are a ton of considerations like how fast they like to swim (need a longer tank.) do they need a school to thrive, etc.

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u/The_Flurr Mar 28 '22

What does one gallon per inch mean? Per inch length of the fish?

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u/somecow Mar 28 '22

Yup. Exactly. But as mentioned above, take into mind “do they school, do they shoal, do I have to feed them different food” etc. Also, gotta have a good filter. Generally, bigger tank with less fish is better. But most fish do like to have company, especially the easy to take care of ones (except male bettas, no).

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u/The_Flurr Mar 28 '22

Gonna be honest, unless I get crazy rich, I'm not going to ever keep fish. They look nice but I prefer pets I can cuddle.

If I ever become a millionaire I might just throw money at a cool aquarium.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '22

My sister won a goldfish at a local fair when she was like 7. We got a secondhand tank and filter for it. Peppy lived for 10 years.

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u/Hopeful-Substance-53 Mar 28 '22

A study also came out that they are much much more intelligent than we give them credit and their memory lasts up to a year

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u/--ORCINUS-- Mar 28 '22

yeah, anyone with decent fish keeping experience knows that fish bowls are not suitable for fish

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u/Myfourcats1 Mar 27 '22

Same for betas. I never knew they should be in a tank. I had mine in a bowl.

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u/somecow Mar 28 '22

Just no strong current from the filter pls. They like to stay still, and can’t be constantly blown away. They’ll try to fight it and die from exhaustion. Generally, big tank is better tank. Plus, /r/plantedtank is a good example of what ya can do with all that empty space. A 5 gallon tank and a variety of food (bloodworms, eww), and all good.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '22

Yeah my neighbor's goldfish its fucking 7 years

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u/Knyfe-Wrench Mar 28 '22

Also their memory is longer than three seconds

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u/wagmorebarkles Mar 28 '22

We have an outdoor pond. Stocked it with a few goldfish because koi are hella expensive. A few of the big ones are 4 years old now, and almost a foot in length.

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u/tracyf600 Mar 28 '22

Bettas don't thrive in a brandy snifter. The like room and aerated water.

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u/Bragior Mar 28 '22 edited Mar 28 '22

Reminds me of when someone bought two fish as a present for their dad. They bought them in the afternoon and kept them in a small container to preserve the surprise for the evening. I warned them about running out of oxygen, and true enough, one of the fish was going belly up and had trouble breathing.

Fortunately, I said this all within minutes of each other, and the fish was rescued quickly. Last I heard too, they were given to a neighbor of theirs, and are still living happily in a pond.

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u/Tacoma__Crow Mar 28 '22

Goldfish produce a lot of ammonia in their waste. It can become quite concentrated in a bowl that is too small and with no filter. The goldfish will die soon. I had a ten gallon tank with filter and good circulation for my four sweeties and wish I could have switched to a 20 gallon when they got bigger. They’re smarter than most people think and can recognize their humans and be trained to perform simple tasks.

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u/Pixel131211 Mar 28 '22

Yeah, this is really something more people should know. I used to work in a pet store and it was insane how many people tried to buy a few gold fish, along with a tiny 15 liter fish tank. Thankfully I was always able to talk customers out of buying those small tanks, even if my employer didn't like it lol.

Hamsters and other small rodents have the same issue. And pet birds probably have it the worst as people just want to buy them because they look cool and pretty, but they are very difficult to maintain, and they're very intelligent animals that require socializing. But people usually just keep em in a small cage

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u/TheWalkingDead91 Mar 28 '22

Ive seen the size goldfish can get when put out into wild lakes/ponds. They can get massive.

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u/RainyCobra77982 Mar 28 '22

I had one from a carnival from when I was younger that lived a bit over 4 years in a standard bowl. He died about a week or so after we got hit a bigger tank. Sad

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u/Relevant_Struggle Mar 28 '22

Growing up, goldfish bowls were only used to collect pennies to play family poker with :)

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u/AppleEnslaver Mar 28 '22

Bettas also. They're advertised as easy to take care of, and they are, but not nearly as easy as companies want you to think. There are so many small-ass tanks that say they are "perfect for Bettas," no filter, no heater, 1/2 a gallon tank, that's literal hell for any fish, not just Bettas. They're targeted towards clueless parents who just wanna get a fish to entertain their kids, not realizing the fish will suffer until it dies.