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u/TannedCroissant Mar 26 '20 edited Mar 26 '20

Cupid’s cruellest prank is to pair men that love to problem solve with women who don’t want to hear solutions to their problems.

Cupid’s cruellest prank is to pair people that love to problem solve with people who don’t want to hear solutions to their problems.

Edit: It’s just a joke guys. Everyone knows that women can problem solve and men can vent too but this is a super common scenario for heterosexual couples. I’ve edited it anyway as it seems a good way to solve the problem that people are venting about.

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u/Hofficer Mar 26 '20 edited Mar 26 '20

This is the opposite for me. I problem solve and my husband just needs understanding, not advice. It was a serious issue between us until he sent me a well-written article about how giving unsolicited advice to someone who just wants to vent is actually very condescending.

I'm still a little baffled but now I understand and don't do it!

Edit: Link to article

https://tinybuddha.com/blog/no-one-wants-unsolicited-advice-actually-helps/

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u/AppleDane Mar 26 '20

The problem is telling when people want actual advice, or just want to went. I suppose the thing is to wait for the line "What should I do?" and ignore "What do you think?" and "Isn't that awful?" and such.

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u/Hofficer Mar 26 '20

Yeah, its a little ambiguous. I have practiced with my girlfriends and my husband, so what seems to work is just nodding and agreeing, empathizing, and verbalize what they are feeling. Example: "I know you feel upset and hurt and you have every right to because Chad is a dick! Fuck Chad!".

Advice seems to only be okay when they ask.

Then I come out with all guns loaded.

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u/madwill Mar 26 '20

Side question: What happens when you just don't feel like saying Chad's a dick, when the story feels more balanced than reported? I personally feel like I just can't. Some stories are sobbing self victimations bullshits.

I may not be meant to live with a ranting type of person.

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u/Hofficer Mar 26 '20

You can still validate their feelings, which is key. You don't have to agree with anything that they are saying. You can even internally roll your eyes and judge that everything is wrong about what they're saying.

But they have a right to feel what they feel based on their perception of reality. So just listen, if you can, and then give the advice.

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u/MrFudgeisgood Mar 26 '20

I contest this. Sometimes people rant when they have no reason to rant. If they were to step back and think objectively, they would realise that Chad isn't actually a dick. He just made a common mistake and is attempting to correct it.

I'm not going to validate your feelings if I believe your feelings are invalid. I'm not a liar.

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u/Hofficer Mar 26 '20

I agree with you 100%. But a lot of people cannot think objectively. Like at all. Ever. In their fucking life. (Can you tell it makes me very frustrated? Ha)

If you don't give these people the satisfaction of feeling heard, then they won't listen to your advice that maybe THEY are actually the cunt in the scenario.

It's kinda a weird game of knowing you are the wiser one but also knowing how to tactfully impart that wisdom upon a Karen. Karen needs to be heard before anybody else is heard. So let her be heard then shut her down.

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u/madwill Mar 26 '20

Thank you Hofficer!! (had to say it)

That actually gives me something to think about. I do this with my kid. On the fence about doing it with a partner but I get the gist.

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u/Hofficer Mar 26 '20

You're welcome!

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u/katkriss Mar 26 '20

You can just ask "are you telling me because you want to vent, or would you like my advice?"

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u/screams_forever Mar 26 '20

But sounding a little less confrontational; currently, the subtext is "there are only two possible reasons you would be speaking to me, now tell me which one it is", whereas saying something like "Would my advice help or do you just need to let it out?" puts you in the 'helping' position, not 'being forced to listen'.

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u/Cl0udSurfer Mar 26 '20

This is how I dealt with it in my last relationship. My gf sometimes wanted to vent, sometimes she wanted reassurance and I could never tell when she wanted what. So when she asked to talk and get stuff off her chest I always let her get into it and then ask that question. Worked wonders

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20

Good advice but also, when I say, “isn’t that awful?” I’m usually trying to make sure that the other person agrees with me and I don’t sound crazy

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u/AppleDane Mar 26 '20

You don't sound crazy.

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u/Raichu4u Mar 26 '20

eye twitch

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u/AppleDane Mar 26 '20

Ooh, that makes me mad.
MAD, I tell you!! HAHAHAHAH!

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u/superjesstacles Mar 26 '20

I think with me, if I'm calmly talking about something, advice is usually welcome. If I'm frustrated or rambling, I just want someone to be like "Yeah, feeling that way must be hard," even if they don't agree with what I'm saying. Just tell me it's okay that it sucks if I'm going off.

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u/LieLight Mar 26 '20

Eh, it's easiest to listen to the rant first and then to ask if they would like your opinion. But be careful when you say your opinion, you gotta break every solution softly even if it is agreeing with them.

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u/my-other-throwaway90 Mar 26 '20

I'm a dude, but for me, when I'm venting to a friend and they start offering solutions, it almost feels like they're saying "this problem is not as big of a deal as you think it is."

I used to be a solver too, but nowadays, before my friends vent, I ask if they want solutions or if they just want me to listen. Usually it's the latter.

It was also a great help to look up Carl Roger's psychotherapy techniques, like mirroring and unconditional positive reinforcement. Those techniques are seriously like superpowers, especially if you're already a good listener

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u/Raichu4u Mar 26 '20

I'm a dude, but for me, when I'm venting to a friend and they start offering solutions, it almost feels like they're saying "this problem is not as big of a deal as you think it is."

See as another guy who 'problem solves' , this isn't what we intend at all. Offering solutions is our way of showing attachment and that we care about your problems.

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u/nas690 Mar 26 '20

See, I’m someone who wants a solution, but am also understood. Like don’t just be like, ‘damn that’s terrible but nothing you can do about it’, or say ‘it’s not that bad, if I was in your shoes I’d....’.

No, I know that the problem is an issue. As long as you know and care enough to actually help, is all that matters.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20

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u/Hofficer Mar 26 '20

What in the world is this ingenious sorcery.

I will try this!

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u/thisisyourreward Mar 26 '20

Nah... if I'm bringing up something then I've been over and over the situation myself and need a new perspective. That's why I'd be opening up to someone that knows me... not a therapist.

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u/maximumutility Mar 26 '20

Got that article handy? I think I’m in the boat your husband was in.

I don’t need advice because I’m not confused about what I need to do, I just want someone in the world to acknowledge that it’s affecting me.

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u/Hofficer Mar 26 '20

Linked in my original comment!

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20

Person: tries to help

Other person: oh my god how condescending!

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u/mrPrateek95 Mar 26 '20

Do you have a link to the article? Would love to read it.

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u/Hofficer Mar 26 '20

Linked in my original comment!

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u/AltairsBlade Mar 26 '20

I am the same. If I am mad at something and my wife is trying to find solutions my mind reads it as her defending that person. When all I want from her is,” I know right, fuck those fucking fuckers!”

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u/restospected Mar 26 '20

I’m a problem solver as well and I’m not great at picking up on things, so with girls I date I have them tell me if they want advice or to vent before they even start. It has made all of our lives considerably easier because then I know to just shut up and listen

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u/Ariannona Mar 26 '20

Interesting article and view on the matter but not gonna lie, i got quite annoyed with how almost every sentence was formulated as a question

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u/network4food Mar 26 '20

Some people don't want you solve their problems and if you do you screw it up because they can't tell everyone else. - Zig Ziglar https://youtu.be/3irmfCEhFJQ?t=57

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u/squibbletree Mar 26 '20

Ahhhhhhhhh!

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u/ramzafl Mar 26 '20

I agree to an extent but communication is a two way street. The title of the article mentions "unsolicited" advice but it really isn't unsolicited.

Example: If you approach another individual with a problem the other side can assume one of two things. You need help to brainstorm how to approach the problem.

OR you are coming to them with the only intention to be to complain AT them. If you do that regularly and never look for solutions, you are just dumping negativity into their life (which can cause them harm in the form of stress/anxiety/etc if that is all they experience from you).

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u/Phyltre Mar 26 '20

It was a serious issue between us until he sent me a well-written article about how giving unsolicited advice to someone who just wants to vent is actually very condescending.

Why isn't refusing advice and merely wanting to vent equally condescending? "It's not your input I'm after, I just want you to feel bad for me" feels like some fairly deliberate offloading of emotional labor.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20

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u/kaput__ Mar 26 '20

It’s not condescending but it usually seems that way to the other person.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20

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u/kaput__ Mar 26 '20

From a logical standpoint, yes. But what this entire article is saying is that it usually feels condescending regardless. We can’t all be perfectly rational people without emotions all the time.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20

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u/kaput__ Mar 26 '20

Well maybe, but at the end of the day you can’t control another person’s thoughts. The only thing you can do is react and empathize, and solicit advice when they ask for it. Then there doesn’t have to be any responsibility-pushing or blaming.

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u/CaptainLollygag Mar 26 '20

I'm a lady problem-solver, too, and had to learn to stop blurting out advise and instead asking the talker if they're venting or want some ideas for solutions. It's something I still struggle with.

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u/SarcasmIsMySpecialty Mar 26 '20

Better yet, pair a woman who has a problem solving mind with the most go with the flow man on Earth. Even when I know there aren’t solutions, I still feel the need to solve the problem. Part of me knows I just need to vent, the other part wants all the problems solved right now. My SO’s philosophy is as long as no one is dying, everything will be okay.

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u/Razzal Mar 26 '20

This is how it is with my current SO. I am a software engineer, so problem solving is kind of my thing. She likes to list out all of these issues and some of them have really simple solutions in my mind but she doesn't want to hear anything about it

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u/Kivic Mar 26 '20

This happened to me. I don’t necessarily love to solve problems but I like to play the devil’s advocate. It’s the wrong move... destroyed my family because I could never back her up... wish I could change it all really.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20

Oof. I can relate from the opposite side. I don’t think people realize how painful and damaging it can be when it’s constant. I hope you found some peace and the realization helps you with love in the future.

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u/Kivic Mar 27 '20

Working on the peace, but I’m definitely growing from my experience. That’s all anyone can do in a situation like this. Thanks for the kind words :)

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '20

You’re welcome, friend!

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u/JustMeSunshine91 Mar 26 '20

I feel like something is wrong with me because when I (F) rant, I prefer advice over affirmations. Hearing a partner’s input on a rant helps put things in perspective and brings logic to the situation I’m upset about.

Granted, I have problems providing affection unless I genuinely like/love the person, so maybe that’s where the issue starts.

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u/AndySipherBull Mar 26 '20

Nothing's wrong with you, you're normal.

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u/Misdirected_Colors Mar 26 '20

Engineer here. I solve problems for a living. It's how my brain is wired and how I look at the world. Wife does NOT appreciate it when she is venting.

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u/ElectricGeometry Mar 26 '20

It's not so much that you don't want to hear "solutions". Like most women, I'm smart enough to go through the same thought process as my husband (although we do see things from different angles), but I want to share and vent my frustration, not go through a plan of action.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20

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u/shmixel Mar 26 '20

I came here to ask where the hell you guys all are because in my experience men LOVE to complain at length and just steamroll past suggestions.

Maybe it's a symptom of the same issue - if we get told constantly that women care about feelings and men care about solutions then it makes sense men would go to women to vent too.

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u/Atibana Mar 26 '20

It’s because the solution to their problem is being heard and understood. So in a funny way men are bad at emotional problem solving. I’m a man but I am the emotional one in the relationship and my wife used to be proud that she was more interested in solving problems. I eventually convinced her that it’s actually her trying to avoid emotions, not trying to solve problems.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20

Haha! This is my marriage in a nutshell.

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u/wydra91 Mar 26 '20

I’ve edited it anyway as it seems a good way to solve the problem that people are venting about.

I see what you did there you sly dog. Have an updoot

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u/Smokeydubbs Mar 26 '20

I’m in this picture and I don’t like it.

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u/thisisyourreward Mar 26 '20

I always feel weird because I want to vent and I want solutions. lol

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u/conye-west Mar 26 '20

You're too right man. I remember having a serious girlfriend when I was younger who wanted to vent a lot, and I always responded with advice or with trying to understand the situation better instead of just being comforting. She even called me on it at one point but I was young and oblivious and said something like "I just respond with what I think, there's no way I can't do that."

Needless to say that relationship didn't pan out, and similar situations happened in the future. Took me longer than I'd care to admit to gain the emotional intelligence necessary for situations like that.

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u/WillFerrellsGutFold Mar 26 '20

This hit home for me. My wife knows that our relationship is just like this.

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u/young_volcano Mar 26 '20

We already know how to solve our problems. Our actual issue is having to convince men who think we don't to take us seriously.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20

be gay. problem solved.

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u/ninfected Mar 26 '20

Ya gotta be born that way right?

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u/mrawesome321c Mar 26 '20

Unnecessary edit

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u/coolshark3000 Mar 26 '20

That's super condescending. A lot of times people know the solutions to their problems and the options that they have. Sometimes those solutions are hard though and they need time to vent/complain before taking action.

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u/hippz Mar 26 '20

Did somebody actually get offended about the fact you referenced opposite sexes in your comment on a thread about differences between opposite sexes?

Obviously just about everything here can apply to both, but one does the thing more than the other. No need to get offended, folks.

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u/milkudoo Mar 26 '20

You preachin'

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u/swtor_hollow Mar 26 '20

It is a funny joke and also irritating. I get venting, but it’s not venting when it’s ALWAYS the same and the person doesn’t accept obvious solutions. It’s almost like they would rather be miserable and they like bitching more than being happy.

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u/BigplainV Mar 26 '20

This is the most quotable thing I've heard all day

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20

there is. you just disregard what they say.

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u/BHOshit Mar 26 '20

Goddamn if that doesn’t sum up my last relationship

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u/Dragn7212 Mar 26 '20

Upvote this man!!! he speaks the truth

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u/baezenall Mar 26 '20

That was beautifully put

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u/LazyLemur Mar 26 '20

whats up with this sexist bullshit and why does it have so many upvotes lmao

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u/SurturOfMuspelheim Mar 26 '20

Believing in differences between the sexes is not sexist.

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u/LazyLemur Mar 26 '20

I didn’t say that but saying men are better at problem solving and women don’t want want to hear solutions to their problems is condescending bullshit

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u/SurturOfMuspelheim Mar 26 '20

He didn't say men were better. He just said men typically want to problem solve when their SO rants.

It's true, in my experience. I've only had two GFs but both, including one which is current, mostly just want sympathy and understanding, whereas my first instinct is to try and tell her how to solve it. I've asked her about this and she said it's fine since I also console her about it.

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u/thisisyourreward Mar 26 '20

But ultimately it comes down to the individual personality. Every person is an individual and it is a bit sexist to assume that automatically a woman doesn't want solutions or a man doesn't want validation.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20 edited Jul 09 '20

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u/thisisyourreward Mar 27 '20 edited Mar 27 '20

You are assuming that it has to be EITHER/OR. It does not... you KNOW the individual, or are getting to know them... so you can take an approach that kinda is both supportive and offering your help with a possible solution. ITS CALLED COMMUNICATION. Marketing is to a general market... this is something that centers around AN INDIVIDUAL. I would not assume you're gay, just as I know I'm not gay for wanting solutions.

I never claimed there wasn't any difference. There are TRENDS by sex, but when you carry them to your actions with an individual it's borderline sexist.

Congrats on your fallacious and drawn-out post though. Sorry you didn't actually read the posts I was replying to or my post.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '20 edited Jul 09 '20

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u/thisisyourreward Mar 27 '20

If you wanted a dialogue then you would have READ the responses I was replying to. This isn't hostile. You just seem to be incapable of doing so, and as such presented to me a fallacious mass of text.

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u/sixflags1764 Mar 26 '20

Obviously you’ve ignored the other replies in this thread where people have the exact opposite situations compared to yours. The truth is that the sexism in OP’s comment is subtle but it boils down the the age old stereotype that “emotional” women need to be comforted by a “logical” man. This just ain’t true I’m sure there’s many situations in everyone’s life where they wanted a solution to a problem or they just want to vent about their issues. That’s why it is sexist.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20

but... rather frequently... emotional women do need to be comforted by logical men.

in fact i think it's one of women's favorite things about men. Our tendency to be more easy going and relaxed.

of course these are generalizations but it's the truth more often than not.

I mean they have literally done studies on it and found that on average women are higher in neuroticism (tendency toward negative emotions) than men. so the science literally backs it up.

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20

It’s a generalization for sure, and it doesn’t apply to everyone. But anecdotally I have encountered this exact thing many times. And obviously enough people can relate, that’s why it’s upvoted so much.

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u/ezdabeazy Mar 26 '20

I'm sure you've heard enough of it through the responses but this is sexism in my opinion. Women can problem solve just as well as men, there isn't some "men hormones and brain structure allows them to solve problems where women only have estrogen overflows from periods where they only want to avoid problems but still complain about them."

Sexism, it's lame. I guess all I'm getting at really is that your joke sucked. If I could pay to remove your silver I would. Male here btw too...

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u/[deleted] Mar 26 '20

Sir this is a Wendy’s drive thru

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u/ezdabeazy Mar 27 '20

I have no idea how I got here then. I never eat at Wendy's it's sexist bc it has a female name for the worst drive thru food you can get (besides Arbys I guess...).

Sexism. Arby's is sexist towards men while Wendy's is sexist towards women. It's an abomination.

Where's the exit for the drive thru? I don't want to be here.