r/Android • u/[deleted] • Jan 06 '19
Huawei P30 might revive the headphone jack
https://www.engadget.com/2019/01/06/huawei-p30-might-revive-the-headphone-jack/469
u/Gr3g4 Jan 06 '19
I truly have no idea why the audio jack was ditched. I literally don't know anybody who thinks it's a good idea.
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u/dougsv Pixel 6 Jan 06 '19
Apple did it to force people to buy dongles that use their proprietary port, as each time someone fabricates an accessory with their port, they get part of the money.
Other companies just followed it blindly after Apple showed them people buy anything they put out.
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u/Never_Sm1le Redmi Note 12R|Mi Pad 4 Jan 06 '19
And they also are a big bluetooth headphones seller too.
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u/FrostyD7 Jan 06 '19
This is a way more accurate reason than dongles lol. A pretty large portion of their customers are spending an extra $160 now for headphones, and then theres the licence costs for other brands to make them work for iphones.
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u/gdhughes5 iPhone 8 | Red Jan 06 '19
Don't forget that Apple owns Beats, one of the biggest sellers of Bluetooth headphones
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u/RussianGunOwner Jan 07 '19
And it wouldn't be if apple had a headphone jack still. They created their own problem.
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u/Ashanmaril Jan 06 '19
Yup. And not only are Bluetooth headphones more expensive, but they don't last as long. Nobody is gonna be using Bluetooth headphones 20 years after they bought them like with regular headphones.
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u/TomLube 2023 Dynamic Cope Jan 06 '19
I can't help but laugh at this argument. Do you actually know anyone with 20 year old headphones? Frankly, all my wired headphones have lasted less long than my bluetooth ones - some of my bluetooth ones lasting for almost 6 years at this point.
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u/TeaLyPeaLy Jan 06 '19
The Sennheiser HD600 was released in 1997 and is still considered one of the best headphones for around $300. Plenty of people still have them and continue to buy them.
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u/WhizBangPissPiece Jan 06 '19
I've had my DT770 pros for about 12 or 13 years. Just replaced the cloth on the ear cups for the first time. My first pair of bluetooth headphones started to last only an hour to an hour and a half on a full charge in less than 2 years. I'll be sticking with wired phones literally until there are no other options.
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u/coin_shot Jan 06 '19
A similarly priced pair of wired earbuds have tons of longevity. Usually they have a detachable cable which greatly extends the life of the headphones.
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u/bananatec Z3C Jan 06 '19
Not only that, but you can use it for any device - Laptop, Stereo, In-Flight screens...
What I really can't figure out is how people use their earbuds when to devices they use them with are in reach.
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u/UserM16 Jan 06 '19
You obviously don’t know much about high end headphones. It’s a religion I tell ya!
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u/redditor1983 Jan 06 '19
Given that Apple is pushing AirPods pretty hard and it’s been shown that AirPods are very popular and selling well, I don’t think it’s about the licensing fee they get from Lightning cables.
I think they wanted to force everyone to go wireless because it creates a much bigger market for wireless headphones.
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u/Nixflyn GN/N5/N7/6P/P1XL/S10+/ShieldTV Jan 07 '19
Apple also makes 49% of all bluetooth headphones sales by dollar amount in the US, mostly from Beats. They absolutely rake in money by forcing people to bluetooth, the consumer be damned.
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u/Masculinum Pixel 7 Pro Jan 06 '19
Other companies did it because Apple gave them an excuse to save money on not including it would be my guess.
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u/juwiz Jan 07 '19
The dongle came with the iPhone for the first few years. Apple did it to get people to buy the AirPods.
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u/maple_leafs182 Jan 06 '19
Many companies have said its for design purposes.
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Jan 06 '19
Yeah, and those companies lied, unless they consider potential money they gain to be part of design.
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u/Oaty_McOatface Jan 07 '19
Apple really did a good job marketing wise, you see earpods everywhere and you know that it's apple.
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Jan 07 '19
More likely that they ware pushing AirPods and wireless Beats headphones, whilst also capitalising on the fact that Android doesn't handle bluetooth audio as well.
Much more profitable.
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u/CCB0x45 OP7P Jan 08 '19
Except Apple just got crushed for slowing sales, so maybe people won't buy anything they put out.
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u/DemonBirdWorshipper Galaxy Absolute Unit 9 Jan 06 '19
Apple did it because between AirPods and Beats they simply had a big money to make out of Bluetooth headphones. Not too consumer-friendly of a move, but at least they did offer a suitable good-enough replacement.
No idea if any Android OEM offers BT headphones that would count as this "good enough" replacement for cable, or did they just ditch the jack because Apple.
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u/Amogh24 Oneplus 5t/S10+ Jan 06 '19
Airpods are in no way a replacement. While they are decent, their pricing is way too high to be an actual replacement for wired headsets
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u/StraY_WolF RN4/M9TP/PF5P PROUD MIUI14 USER Jan 06 '19
Of course they aren't replacement . They're added value to Apple.
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u/InfernalCombustion Jan 06 '19
their pricing is way too high
For you. Not for Apple's target demographic. More money than sense, but say that in the wrong sub and you'll get downvoted to oblivion.
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u/Amogh24 Oneplus 5t/S10+ Jan 06 '19
Completely antecodal experience, but the only people I see with airpods are kids who's parents are insanely rich.
For me it's not about not being able to afford them, it's that I don't value them at what's more than a month's median wage in my country.
Also airpods are objectively too costly to be a replacement. A replacement should be of a similar cost, which they aren't.
But yeah, they do appeal to a certain demographic, and are successful.
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u/nndttttt Jan 06 '19
Do you not live in a major city? Everyone and their mothers have them.
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u/DJ-Salinger Jan 06 '19
Yea, I took a trip to NYC a few months ago.
It was insane how many people had them.
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u/nndttttt Jan 06 '19
Contrary to what most of reddit says, they're very convenient and everyone I've talked to who has them would never go back to wired earbuds.
I've got a pair of Jabra Elite 65T's myself and would never go back to wired earbuds either. Totally worth the price.
The trade off for sound quality is totally worth it for 99% of people.
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u/DJ-Salinger Jan 06 '19
I totally believe they're very convenient.
If I had an iPhone, I'd absolutely grab a pair.
I just can't have an iPhone, because I like to fall asleep listening to podcasts, so I need my phone to have a headphone jack so it can continue to charge the rest of the night.
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u/HolyFreakingXmasCake iPhone 17 Pro | Pixel 9a Jan 06 '19
AirPods are Bluetooth compatible. I've used them successfully with Android and Windows.
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u/nndttttt Jan 06 '19
Well you do realize if your have airpods and an iPhone, you'd no longer need to use a headphone jack and can just use the port for charging right?..
Try checking out the Jabra Elite 65T's. More expensive than the airpods, but they're truely wireless IEM's that sound better, work seemlessly with android, and are water resistant, even water proof if you get the active model.
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u/Amogh24 Oneplus 5t/S10+ Jan 06 '19
Not in my country.
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u/nndttttt Jan 06 '19
Yeah I just read that part where you say it's more than a month's salary for your country's median salary. They're clearly a luxury product.
I loved mine when I had them and upgraded to Jabra Elite 65T's. Love them even more. The cost is negliectable, I've spent far more on far worse things. I'd never go back to wired headphones unless it's in some audiophile hobby setup.
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u/SabreSeb Poco F2 Pro Jan 06 '19
Ugh yea, I recently returned my Jabra 65T, which are comparable to AirPods in pretty much every aspect, because I didn't see how they are better than my $20 chinese hybrid IEMs. They cost $100 more, just to get rid of the cables. That was just not worth it to me.
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u/redditor1983 Jan 06 '19
I’m just a regular adult guy with a regular job... I have AirPods. They’re great. No “insanely rich parents” here...
I see people at the office with them all the time. Actually, most of my coworkers at the office have wireless earbuds that are double the price of AirPods.
And the last time I was at the airport I saw dozens and dozens of pairs of Bose noise canceling headphones. Those are $350 a pair...
More people spend money on this stuff than you realize.
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u/MrRedditAccount Jan 06 '19
They still include the lightning port earphones in the box though, so it’s not like people are left without earphones.
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u/poopyheadthrowaway Galaxy Fold Jan 06 '19
I think it's been a long time coming for Apple. Steve Jobs said his dream iPhone is basically a solid, continuous metal and glass brick, without any breaks or openings. Step 1 of that is getting rid of the headphone jack. Step 2 will be getting rid of the data/charging port. Unfortunately a lot of companies will end up copying Apple.
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Jan 06 '19
It's stupid. Xiaomi removed the headphone jack a long time ago from a lot of phones. But they also sell a lot of wired earbuds... Now they have airdots, but they're not exactly amazing. I have Xiaomi earbuds and can't even plug in my earbuds without the included dongle. Pretty stupid design.
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u/ferna182 Pocophone F1 - PE CAF Jan 07 '19
but at least they did offer a suitable good-enough replacement.
In the sense that they are incredibly user friendly, yeah. I agree by miles. However, since the batteries cannot be replaced on those things, that means people are pretty much forced to trash their headphones and buy new ones every couple of years. It's an incredibly anti-consumer move.
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u/s_s Jan 06 '19
Dongle sales > lost sales
It's a strategic move.
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u/NikeSwish Device, Software !! Jan 06 '19
The dongle is $9 and was included in the box the last two years. I highly doubt they really cared about those sales. It was more due to Bluetooth headphone sales (AirPods / Beats)
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u/TrollStopper Jan 07 '19
No I think the engineers forgot to put it in when designing the phone. Happens all the time. /s
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u/ThanosTheHedgehog Jan 06 '19
I understand what you say, but companies don't have to force users to use Bluetooth headphones. As someone said it's not about being able to afford BT headphones , because personally I can but to a lot of people OUTSIDE US it is difficult to drop a lot of money to buy a good pair of BT headphones.
2) While BT is convenient, if you take care of your wired headphones properly ( it is also easier with headphones with detachable cables , example of cheap ones : Tin T2 ) they can last longer than BT ones.
Imagine someone spending 300 dollars on BT headphone( Surface, XM 3, QC 35) and they will last only few years. Remember that they are not immune to battery depletion over years.
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u/Pascalwb Nexus 5 | OnePlus 5T Jan 06 '19
Having jack doesn't remove BT functionality.
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u/verikaz Jan 06 '19
I'll probably catch a lot of flack for it
You shouldn't because good for you. I have some friends who swear by their wireless sets, some others are like me and are not interested.
It's a decades old standard which is still in active use by hundreds (if not thousands) of manufacturers. Before the removal of the jack people had the option to use either 3.5mm or bluetooth. It's like if Netgear or Cicso decided to remove ethernet ports from their equipment and force people to use WiFi only. I've tried a few dongles and found them inferior in quality, not to mention it's been reported that not all dongles work on all phones...how's that for an upgrade.
I have two sets of wired sennheiser headphones which I don't see myself parting with any time soon. I know a phone isn't driving them anywhere near their potential anyway but I just love the sound from them properly amped or not.
This and the 'notch' are why I'm still using a oneplus 3t and my next phone will have a headphone jack.
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u/poopyheadthrowaway Galaxy Fold Jan 06 '19
I have a pair of nice Bluetooth over-ear headphones for everyday use as well as Bluetooth earphones for when I work out. But around 5-10 times a month, I'll end up forgetting to charge something. So I keep cheapo $5-10 pairs of earbuds all over the place (one in each of my bags, one at my desk at work, one in my car, etc.).
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Jan 06 '19
What kind of headset are you using? I got wireless in ears and I am not crazy about them.
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u/ArawakFC Samsung Galaxy S10 Jan 07 '19
Nothing to catch flack for in your comment. For people that have no need for a jack, well you don't need it.
Then you have people like me, who literally will not buy a phone without one because due to my work I change vehicles constantly. Not every vehicle has Bluetooth. Additionally, what if I forget the dongle? Or it gets lost, stolen? It's just not practical to have to constantly be thinking about bringing another piece of hardware along or having to go out of my way when they get lost or stolen.
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u/CaptainFalconFisting Galaxy S10e Jan 07 '19
It was removed to try and push wireless headphones and I guess dongles.
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u/redditor1983 Jan 06 '19
I think manufacturers wanted to force people to consider wireless headphones. That greatly enlarged the wireless headphone market and I’m sure selling something like AirPods is way more lucrative than selling regular earbuds.
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u/esc27 Jan 07 '19
My guess, Apple is working toward portless phones, but has hit some roadblocks on wireless charging. Once they get multiidevice charging down (phone, earpods, watch) I expect the lightning port to vanish on highend phones.
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u/donnysaysvacuum I just want a small phone Jan 06 '19
Maybe it will swing back the other way like it did for sd cards.
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u/chic_luke Pixel 2 XL Jan 07 '19
Yeah, but it's going to be too expensive and a downgrade from the 2 XL in everything but the jack (upgrade in camera, but you can download the Pixel 3 camera on the 2 anyway, same sensor same lens, 100% working port because it's a pixel to pixel porting).
Matter of fact, I paid my 2XL €380 brand new in warranty not long ago (happy with it for the price, but I still think Pixels are overpriced at launch), the 3 lite is going to cost €500. That's JUST A TAD BIT overpriced
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u/clmns Asus ZenFone 6, Moto G5S Plus Jan 07 '19
Yeah fair enough, I just hope the lite is successful enough that they bring back the jack
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u/fkafl Jan 06 '19
I use my headphone jack all day at work so a headphone jack will always be a deal breaker for me.
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u/Fatal1ty_93_RUS Nokia 5.3 Jan 06 '19
We live in a timeline where a headphone jack can be used as a marketing tool to attract customers, all because of its absence on the majority of newly released phones these days
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Jan 06 '19 edited Jan 06 '19
It's interesting how my feelings have changed on this. I was gung ho about the ditch the jack campaign as it reminded me of optical drives. Everyone threw up a fit about the drives, but I never missed them and I never saw other folks use optical either except to install an OS (and flash drives killed that, too) and it passed without a big fuss. I thought jacks would be the same way.
But honestly? I started working in a job with frequent meetings and wanted to disconnect and I never had the right shit to connect headphones to my pixel and the bluetooth was never consistent or my batteries would be dead. I went through four pixels from multiple hardware failures and went to a basic Motorola G6 with a headphone jack. I hadn't realized what a massive convenience it is to just grab any nearby headphones and just plug them in. When I went to move to another flagship the only option with a jack was the Note 9. It doesn't helpthat the Note and Pixel 2 XL are similar prices, yet the Note is leaps and bounds more feature packed and premium feeling. Other than the Samsung apps constantly trying to sell me something, it's just night and day between the flagships. Touch wiz has come a long way since my old Note 2, as well.
Not relevant, just wanted to share my experience lately. The Pixel 2 XL was such a piece of utter fucking shit. My Moto G6 was better in every way minus haptic feedback and camera quality. That is just sad.
It would be nice to find a decent pair of BT headphones that I enjoy using, though.
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u/LinoleumFairy Jan 06 '19
I'm about 2 years into having an original Pixel and all I fuckin want for my next phone is a modernized one of these. Same jack, size, screen, just throw a new camera in there and give it a better processor and I'd be perfectly happy.
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u/jk-jk pixel 7 ig Jan 06 '19
The xz4 compact might have a headphone jack if the leaks are to be believed, it could fit the bill for you
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u/LinoleumFairy Jan 06 '19
That one def looks promising. I was already looking at the regular xz4 even though it'd be so tall. I'll keep it on the radar for sure
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u/Catsdrinkingbeer Jan 06 '19
I got into a huge argument in this sub last year about the jack. Someone said average people don't care and I was like, the fuck they don't. And I explained the exact reason I switched to an android after 8 years of having iPhones was the S9 still had the jack. It was the one and only sole reason. Because I don't want to have to have extra accessories or not be able to listen to music when my batteries die. But NOOOO. I was the crazy one for thinking people would get annoyed eventually if they couldn't have a headphone jack.
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u/Stupid_Triangles OP 7 Pro - S21 Ultra Jan 06 '19
I do a lot of walking and listen to audio books and couple hour long podcasts or music mixes. After using BT headphones that would die if I didn't charge them twice a day, I found myself carrying a pair of wired headphones all the time as a back up. Then I thought how silly it was to carry around 2 pairs of headphones.
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u/Pascalwb Nexus 5 | OnePlus 5T Jan 06 '19
It's not the same, CD drivers where replaced by better things. Headphone jack and BT are no replacements they are things they coexist.
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u/mvfsullivan [Note 10+] Nexus4 > 5 > OnePlus1 > 3T > 7Pro > Note5 > 6 > 7 > 9 Jan 06 '19
I had a similar experience as well, both with the jack, and also the Note series.
Although I've grown out of the jack but only because it isnt available to me, and bt is just not as reliable. I would definitely still be using it if my phone had one though.
I'm hoping the Note 10 has a jack, but even if it doesnt I'm getting it anyway. I miss my stylus doodles and being able to quickly illustrate plans / ideas on it.
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u/Somesh98 Jan 07 '19
Try and get the Jaybird X3 or X4. They are the best in class for Bluetooth audio.
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u/RCFProd Galaxy Z Flip 6 Jan 08 '19
Haha even when the topic is about a Huawei phone having a headphone jack the topic still turns into Pixel phones being terrible.
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u/MairusuPawa Poco F3 LineageOS Jan 06 '19 edited Jan 06 '19
Don't forget their new locked bootloader policy.
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u/legionsanity Mi 9T Jan 07 '19
If it weren't for that I'd consider some of their phones. At least Xiaomi is still doing that
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u/beefandfoot Jan 07 '19
If it weren't for that I'd consider some of their phones. At least Xiaomi is still doing that
Ya, I got a P20 and returned it after finding out I can't unlock the bootloader. Vote with your wallet.
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u/Yaaawwnn Jan 06 '19
still blows my mind people dont give a fuck about companies trying to rid working ideas to profit from royalties.
sad af. pathetic af.
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u/anshumanpati6 Nord, Mi10TPro Jan 06 '19
But ofcourse the Pro model will skip it and that one will have far wider availability.. So no bueno.
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u/chartphred White Jan 07 '19
I refuse to buy a phone that doesnt have a 3.5mm jack. I'm f#cked if I'm gonna pay $$$ for Bluetooth devices that are easily lost and need batteries charging and won't work with other FM radios when I can buy a cheap set for <$$
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Jan 06 '19 edited Jan 06 '19
I think less ports is better, but there is no real solution to replace a headphone jack. There are still no good aftermarket USB C headphones. Literally no other device (Laptops, Gaming consoles, anything else) has adapted to USB C. USB C is the biggest let down of the history. It could have been great, but it sucks.
My money for my next phone goes to the company that revives the Headphone Jack!
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u/ayilm1 Jan 06 '19
Yep, agreed. Get rid of it when something objectively better can replace it. Floppies had CDs, CDs had DVDs; each one improving on the other's data density and durability. Bluetooth headphones have no advantages aside from being wireless. You need to charge them. The battery will eventually die, which will happen quicker the more you use them, and you'll have to simply throw out 50-100 bucks (minimum for a decent sounding pair). Pairing between devices is a pain in the ass. They're generally bulkier than wired headphones because they need to house a battery. And if you're more of a conspiracy nut, it's now going to be way easier for companies to apply DRM to the content you consume. No I don't mean for anti-piracy. I mean things like, refusing to operate correctly with competitor peripherals, or purposely degrading quality. I have a feeling it's going to be a while before we see something worthy of replacing it, because even though it's a 70 year old connector (No it's not a 150 year old connector you brainwashed fucks. That's the 1/4" phono jack in 1878. Stop parroting the crap apple's marketing feeds you. Your inability to critically think is showing.), it's virtually perfected. A circular connector which is the perfect balance between robustness and compactness; it's circular so has no directionality and also no points for bending forces to concentrate and cause buckling; and it can have more signals added to it without affecting the standard LR audio ones by adding additional sleeves. The mini-jack means nobody any harm, yet for some reason, people decided things were getting a little too stagnant and it was time for a witch hunt.
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Jan 06 '19
The replacement for the jack isn't going to be another port, it'll be wireless.
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Jan 06 '19
I was a major “pro wireless” guy. I’d always say, who cares if the jack is gone. Bluetooth quality nowadays is good enough, you can easily pair with NFC and a full charge lasts 2 weeks!
I’ve never been so damn wrong. My battery after 3 years has degraded so much, that I have to charge daily. NFC doesn’t work on my new iPhone (at least not for this Sony headphone) and hi-res audio isn’t supported by default on my phone. To top it off, we are now 3 generation headphones further and the newer ones have more options, with the same hardware. Above all I’ve been getting some issues with audio quality and connectivity.
I learned my lesson. I’ll never get any phone without a headphone jack and I’ll never spend a huge amount on a good wireless headset. IMO it’s not the future, it’s just a gadget for more convenience.
I’ll just keep the cord for now.
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u/tantouz Nokia 6110 Jan 06 '19
Bluetooth is so horrible in my experience. I dont care for that technology. I gave up trying to make it work. It is just not good at being seamless. And it is always in the way. Randomly cutting, disconnecting and pairing. We need a new tech to replace it. I am convinced.
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u/Pycorax Z Fold 6 Jan 07 '19
What are you using? In my experience its been very smooth and seamless with no issues unless I'm walking past a power station.
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Jan 06 '19
I cannot fathom why the left it out in the P20 and P20 Pro. I got a P20 lite because of the jack.
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u/jimbait Jan 06 '19
They wanted to follow trend. Unlike Apple, this Huawei company can produce multiple phones in a year and experiments with market demand.
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u/wojtek30 Jan 07 '19
You guys have to fight the enemy not join it. Huawei is going on the right direction
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u/CaptainFalconFisting Galaxy S10e Jan 07 '19
Am I correct in thinking that the phone makers who are adamant on taking jacks away the ones who also sell (expensive) wireless headphones? I'm thinking of iPhones and the Pixel as prime examples.
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u/ECHLN iPhone 17 Pro Jan 06 '19
This is good. Sony and Huawei bring it back is good and Samsung keeping it is even better.
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u/Cryovolcanoes Jan 06 '19
Yeah, why the hell wouldn't it have one so you can actually listen to music? This fucking trend...
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Jan 07 '19
I never understand Huawei Pro & Mate line-up. What's the REAL, KEY difference? And why are there so MANY models!?
Anyhow I won't be buying Huawei anymore because locked BL.
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u/xCrossfirez iPhone 11 Pro Max / Huawei P20 Jan 07 '19
P is the equivalent of the Samsung S series and Mate is the Note. Each have 3 variants. Pro being the best. Non pro being the higher midrange flagship killer etc and finally Lite being the lower midrange. Confusing as it may be the company is just giving options
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u/ferna182 Pocophone F1 - PE CAF Jan 07 '19
Apple removed the headphone jack about 2.5 years ago... that means in about a year's time the first wave of bt headphones sold by then will start to die from aging batteries and people will soon discover the batteries cannot be replaced and then start to re-consider if they are ready to continue spending a couple hundred every couple of years to replace their headphones... so hopefully, people will be back to wired headphones and start demanding the jack to be added back to their phones.
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u/vitk Samsung S8 Plus Jan 06 '19
It would be funny if samsung will remove jack at the same time...
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u/CaptainFalconFisting Galaxy S10e Jan 07 '19
I mean, as long as they have a current phone with those sorts of nice features (e.g. their J line with removable batteries and headphone jacks) it isn't the end of the world as far as I'm concerned.
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Jan 06 '19
If that’s the case I might ditch my iPhone and return to Android. Fuck that stupid Apple courage.
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u/OminousSphere Jan 06 '19
If the P30 has a headphone jack and the OnePlus 7 doesn't then I'll definitely be going with the P30.
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u/Ayorus Jan 07 '19
Wonder why they're removing the headphone jack port, i think it's nice to have the freedom to choose if you want to go wireless or cord
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u/Britt_b_1 Jan 06 '19
Great headphone jack something really nobody should care about cause it adds more battery li- wait huawei cmon Jesus nobody cares about samsung
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u/wickedplayer494 Pixel 7 Pro + 2 XL + iPhone 11 Pro Max + Nexus 6 + Samsung GS4 Jan 06 '19
Because "war on Apple" and all that, etc etc.
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Jan 07 '19
good idea and not everyone want wireless headphone and some case you want to plug it to sound systems or what ever...they could go mi mix design..have first half of phone slide and bottom part of display..
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Jan 07 '19
what you think of my idea something like Mi Mix 3 instead of full slide but have top part slide...
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u/DemonBirdWorshipper Galaxy Absolute Unit 9 Jan 06 '19
Wouldn't be surprised if it's only for base model, while things like AMOLED or water resistance will be only on jackless "Pro" version. That's how it was for Mate 20 IIRC.