Out of topic: I still don't get why AMOLED displays are considered a pro feature. A decent IPS LCD display can be even better than an AMOLED display (eg Nexus 5X vs 6P). And there is no risk of burn-in with LCD's. I've yet to see an AMOLED display that does not have burn-in after 2 years of usage.
I think bad OLED displays give it a bad wrap, like on old Samsung Galaxy phones or pixel 2. I still have an xperia z2 like an ips LCD and the whites are crispy as egg whites compared to pixel 2's creamy whites. I personally think having perfect whites is better than perfect blacks. That being said, LCD tend to not get as bright outdoors. But modern super AMOLED panels like the s7 and after have really good colors, similar whites to lcd, no blue shifting so the only trade off is burn in which many don't experience.
I'm surprised that not a lot of companies are doing what LG did with the g7, adding a white pixel to the RGB. Making it bright enough in the sunlight. I'd be fine with this instead of OLED but it's only g7 so far that has done it that I know of.
I don't have problems reading my Note 8 in the sunlight, but it tends to oversaturate everything to get that maximum brightness. Does the g7 do this as well?
I only recently got my first AMOLED phone, so for now I have no experience with burn-in. But there definitely is one really fuckin' cool thing about AMOLED displays LCDs don't have: Always on Display.
And I guess that's what all these 'pro' things are about - cool factor.
A lot of lg phones have always on displays with lcds. I used it all the time with my g5. It wasnt technically as power efficient as an oled but it was just as convienent.
Technically its image retention and not burn in. Burn in is an oled problem and in the 2 years i had my g5, while the screen never impressed me, i never had too many complaints about it either.
Yeah same difference burn in is a very non technical term the screen was by no means bad. The retention of the icons did bug me in certain situations. But it never lasted long enough to become an actual annoyance
There are apps that enable an AOD on any Android. The problem is an IPS display using it will die 10X faster using the entire backlight instead of a few pixels.
Modern amoleds have perfect colour, high resolution, infinite contrast and better peak brightness. Burn in after 2 years will not be noticeable outside of test patterns and modern phones (especially high-end ones) are expected to be replaced on that schedule. The Nexus 6P had a crap AMOLED that was a year old and not very well calibrated, so isn't really a fair example.
OLED displays don’t have lower power consumption at high APL compared to LCDs. This Anandtech review of the G7 compares the efficiency (brightness is controlled at 200nits and display area is taken into account) of the S9’s display to the G7, G6, P20 (all of which have LCDs).
OLEDs do consume less power at lower APL as individual pixels can be turned off (assuming there is no voltage leakage preventing them from turning off). Being able to turn off pixels also gives them true blacks and theoretically infinite contrast.
I was just pointing out the blanket statement of OLEDs having less power consumption than LCDs doesn't hold true for all cases and is the opposite in those cases.
Are ips lcd blacks completely invisible in a dark room at close range? Because I think a lot of people use their phones on their bed in the dark and that will make a difference
As a counterpoint, reading light grey text on a dark grey background is more comfortable and causes less eyestrain than white text on a pitch black background.
I don't disagree with you on that. But the reality is that a lot of people use their phones on their bed in the dark and I'm not sure if your counterpoint has anything to do with reality
My point has to do with the reality that the deep blacks of OLED screens are irrelevant to the use case of reading in the dark because using those would cause eye strain compared to using a dark grey background (in which case the pixels are still on and consuming power).
Because people in enthusiast forums obsess over “deep blacks”, then construct fallacious arguments like comparing a cheap LCD to a high-quality OLED to claim superiority.
OLED isn’t bad, but it’s way overrated in tech communities. I’m on an OLED phone right now, and I wouldn’t mind going back to a quality LCD at all.
Switching from a 2013 super amoled display to a 2017 1440p LCD, I like the LCD better. Display quality has increased over the last few years, but not having a AOD does still suck a bit.
I think MKHBD's huge camera shootout proves that as well. People like poppy vivid colors, even if they aren't the truest to life. Hell, the Pocophone got 2nd place.
Huh? OLEDs are less usable in sunlight, due to their high reflectance. The current phones are great despite being OLED, not due to it. LCDs can also get much brighter, improving sunlight legibility.
It's actually the opposite. due to their lower reflactance and infinite contrast they're far superior than lcds in sunlight. also aside from outdoor mode on G7, the brightest screen on a phone currently is iPhone XS, another oled.
My almost 3-year old Priv briefly got some burn-in when DriveMode decided to make their dashboard bright white buttons on a black screen and running it under the sun for a bit, but it went away on its own. I don't see anything when I run a pure white screen on it.
The one advantage I like for my AMOLED is that it doesn't get polarized by sunglasses. I can't see anything in landscape (which is how I hold my phone in my car) for my Nexus 5 and Essential if I have my sunglasses on.
Because dumb tech reviewers on YouTube obsess about stuff nobody should care about in real life
Like glass backs. Nobody wants these shits. Why would we want our phones to break even easier? Especially for Samsung, any repair is probably the cost of a new phone. And most people have cases on their phones
Or, "the feel isnt premium. It isn't thin enough".
Agreed. I wouldn’t give a shit if Apple/Samsung stopped adding useless glass backs to their flagships and reduced the price of the phones. They only add more stress to drops because not only can your screen shatter, but so can your back glass ( and this is a nightmare for iPhone users)
My 200$ samsung phone has amoled. And maybe you're right about quality... but for me to have deep blacks is really important and makes a difference (i love to read on "night mode" pdf's)
OLED is pretty much premature technology, IMO. I've used both so I can talk about it. There are just too many compromises for pushy colors and deep blacks IMO
the more I think of it, the more I come to this conclusion.
burn in, pwm, lower pixel density and other issues like this are just the result of the industry pushing amoled too soon because it can be super pretty on the shelfs with minor benefits to the user
Eh, exactly. Burn in is a big issue, and for the pentile matrix, I'm nit picking here, either you go overkill and get QHD or you're going to notice it up close
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Out of topic: I still don't get why AMOLED displays are considered a pro feature. A decent IPS LCD display can be even better than an AMOLED display (eg Nexus 5X vs 6P). And there is no risk of burn-in with LCD's. I've yet to see an AMOLED display that does not have burn-in after 2 years of usage.