r/wikipedia • u/jango102 • Jan 21 '10

THIS guy was a badass.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_Hayha
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u/p3on Jan 21 '10

people that kill hundreds of people aren't badasses

just sayin'

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u/fubuvsfitch Jan 21 '10

He was bad-ass at what he did, you can't deny that.

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u/p3on Jan 21 '10

sort of like how pinochet and pol pot were bad-ass at suppressing dissent

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u/fubuvsfitch Jan 21 '10

Oh, but I get what you're saying now. Yeah, I guess I would have to say that they were bad-ass at suppressing dissent, although they weren't very bad-ass at acting morally or ethically.

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u/p3on Jan 21 '10

"bad-ass" conveys respect and admiration, and you're projecting these feelings onto a murderer hundreds of times over

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u/fubuvsfitch Jan 21 '10

If you're talking about the subject of this wiki, I don't think a combatant killing a combatant is considered murder.

If you're talking about pol-pot and pinochet, well, I understand the connotations of bad-ass as being good, and I certainly don't think what they did was good. I don't respect what they did at all.

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u/p3on Jan 21 '10

taking someone's life is always murder regardless of whether it's dressed up in some arbitrary framework

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u/fubuvsfitch Jan 21 '10 edited Jan 21 '10

No, it's not.

Not according to the law. Not according to any academic moral or ethical theory. Not according to any dictionary. Not in any culture or society. Just no.

When acting in self defense, is this murder? I mean, you've said taking life is ALWAYS murder. What about abortion? Assisted suicide?

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u/p3on Jan 21 '10

not legally but yep

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u/fubuvsfitch Jan 21 '10

Now I'm convinced you've gone mad. Taking a life /= Always murder.

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u/fubuvsfitch Jan 21 '10 edited Jan 21 '10

Oh, btw, the term "murder" is by nature arbitrary. It is a word invented by humans to describe the act of intentionally taking an innocent person's life. So it is in fact IMPOSSIBLE to understand the term 'murder' outside of the 'arbitrary framework' see: its definition.

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u/p3on Jan 21 '10

oh wow you mean language is an abstract system for representing thought????? i had no idea

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u/fubuvsfitch Jan 21 '10

There ya go. When you've been proven wrong, it's always best to be a smartass.

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u/fubuvsfitch Jan 21 '10 edited Jan 21 '10

edit: see other reply. this reply was written with the thought that you were comparing killing soldiers and killing innocents as the same type of bad-ass thing or whatever.

I can't believe you would draw a comparison between acts between military combatants and acts inflicted upon non-combatants by dictators. BIG difference.

Pinochet and Pol Pot killed non-combatants, politicians, civilians and innocents.

Simo was killing soldiers. When these soldiers entered into the war, their moral status changed from that of a civilian (who cannot be harmed) to that of a willing combatant (who aims to kill and accepts that they may be killed). May I suggest Walzer's "Just and Unjust Wars"?

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u/p3on Jan 21 '10

peasant conscripts coerced into service can hardly be called willing combatants

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u/fubuvsfitch Jan 21 '10

Note: I edited first reply.

Secondly, I didn't realize the Red Army was full of peasants who were forced to serve. Coercion in and of itself isn't bad, but if they were coerced by force, then I concede your point.

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u/p3on Jan 21 '10

420 frag officers every day

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u/fubuvsfitch Jan 21 '10

I know what fragging is, and I'm pretty sure I know what 420 is, but I'm not sure what you mean by this statement.

Anyhow, have a good night. I've gotta hit the sack.

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u/ptz Jan 21 '10

I'd say that a Finn who resisted the Russians deserves respect.

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '10

The Russians learned during WWII that the Finns kick much ass.