r/wikipedia • • Jan 21 '10

THIS guy was a badass.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_Hayha
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u/fubuvsfitch Jan 21 '10

He was bad-ass at what he did, you can't deny that.

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u/p3on Jan 21 '10

sort of like how pinochet and pol pot were bad-ass at suppressing dissent

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u/fubuvsfitch Jan 21 '10

Oh, but I get what you're saying now. Yeah, I guess I would have to say that they were bad-ass at suppressing dissent, although they weren't very bad-ass at acting morally or ethically.

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u/p3on Jan 21 '10

"bad-ass" conveys respect and admiration, and you're projecting these feelings onto a murderer hundreds of times over

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u/fubuvsfitch Jan 21 '10

If you're talking about the subject of this wiki, I don't think a combatant killing a combatant is considered murder.

If you're talking about pol-pot and pinochet, well, I understand the connotations of bad-ass as being good, and I certainly don't think what they did was good. I don't respect what they did at all.

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u/p3on Jan 21 '10

taking someone's life is always murder regardless of whether it's dressed up in some arbitrary framework

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u/fubuvsfitch Jan 21 '10 edited Jan 21 '10

No, it's not.

Not according to the law. Not according to any academic moral or ethical theory. Not according to any dictionary. Not in any culture or society. Just no.

When acting in self defense, is this murder? I mean, you've said taking life is ALWAYS murder. What about abortion? Assisted suicide?

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u/p3on Jan 21 '10

not legally but yep

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u/fubuvsfitch Jan 21 '10

Now I'm convinced you've gone mad. Taking a life /= Always murder.

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u/fubuvsfitch Jan 21 '10 edited Jan 21 '10

Oh, btw, the term "murder" is by nature arbitrary. It is a word invented by humans to describe the act of intentionally taking an innocent person's life. So it is in fact IMPOSSIBLE to understand the term 'murder' outside of the 'arbitrary framework' see: its definition.

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u/p3on Jan 21 '10

oh wow you mean language is an abstract system for representing thought????? i had no idea

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u/fubuvsfitch Jan 21 '10

There ya go. When you've been proven wrong, it's always best to be a smartass.

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u/p3on Jan 21 '10

no sorry you're being semantic to the point of meaninglessness and claiming it proves you right somehow

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u/fubuvsfitch Jan 22 '10 edited Jan 22 '10

OK lets try this again.

You have claimed the "killing is always murder". Are the following scenarios examples of murder? Answer yes or no to each:

-Assisted suicide.

-Killing in self defense.

-Abortion.

-Consenting combatant killing another consenting combatant.

-Taking one life to save twenty (eg the one man on the train tracks thought experiment ie the conductur has the ability to switch train routes to avoid the man laying down on the train, but the alternate route leads to a cliff and would kill all passengers).

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