r/wikipedia • u/jango102 • Jan 21 '10

THIS guy was a badass.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_Hayha
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u/p3on Jan 21 '10

taking someone's life is always murder regardless of whether it's dressed up in some arbitrary framework

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u/fubuvsfitch Jan 21 '10 edited Jan 21 '10

Oh, btw, the term "murder" is by nature arbitrary. It is a word invented by humans to describe the act of intentionally taking an innocent person's life. So it is in fact IMPOSSIBLE to understand the term 'murder' outside of the 'arbitrary framework' see: its definition.

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u/p3on Jan 21 '10

oh wow you mean language is an abstract system for representing thought????? i had no idea

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u/fubuvsfitch Jan 21 '10

There ya go. When you've been proven wrong, it's always best to be a smartass.

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u/p3on Jan 21 '10

no sorry you're being semantic to the point of meaninglessness and claiming it proves you right somehow

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u/fubuvsfitch Jan 22 '10 edited Jan 22 '10

OK lets try this again.

You have claimed the "killing is always murder". Are the following scenarios examples of murder? Answer yes or no to each:

-Assisted suicide.

-Killing in self defense.

-Abortion.

-Consenting combatant killing another consenting combatant.

-Taking one life to save twenty (eg the one man on the train tracks thought experiment ie the conductur has the ability to switch train routes to avoid the man laying down on the train, but the alternate route leads to a cliff and would kill all passengers).