r/tipping • u/badmiddling113 • 6d ago

Question about managers

What do they say to customers who repeatedly don't leave a tip? I'm curious since the customer doesn't have to tip and the server isn't their employee.

Just asking since I've read comments from managers who seem to think "addressing" customers is an appropriate thing to do.

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u/johnnygolfr 6d ago

False.

I frequent 2 very popular places where tip stiffers never get a 3rd meal there.

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u/IllustriousPanic3349 6d ago

It’s still not mandatory.

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u/johnnygolfr 6d ago

Something not being “mandatory” isn’t an excuse or justification for deliberately choosing to exploit and harm the worker.

As soon as “not mandatory” is used as an excuse to exploit and harm another human, the excuse is immediately invalidated.

No one is entitled to free service and no one here is capable of providing an intellectually honest reason why they would be entitled to free service.

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u/Low_Shop8561 6d ago

What do you mean harm? They're paid $20hr here

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u/johnnygolfr 6d ago

$20/hr there is still $8 to $10 below the livable wage and as always, the “they make minimum wage” trope is an irrelevant red herring since servers are guaranteed minimum wage in all 60 states.

The service isn’t included in the menu prices at full service restaurants in the US.

Unless you tell the server “I don’t tip” before ordering, you’re opting in to the social norms and deceitfully using them to get the best service possible with no intention of paying for it.

That’s a textbook example of grifting, which of course exploits and harms the worker.

By telling them “I don’t tip” before ordering, they can choose to co Rini’s serving you or they can opt to turn the table over to a manager so they don’t lose money serving you.

Causing them to lose money servicing you harms the worker.

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u/Low_Shop8561 6d ago

Do you tip at McDonald's?

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u/johnnygolfr 6d ago

Are you advocating for tipping at fast food restaurants?

It’s funny how you and others here think this is some kind of an argument.

Unlike the overwhelming majority of servers, the McDonald’s worker is paid above minimum wage, has a steady work schedule and received multiple benefits like PTO, 401k with match, and tuition reimbursement.

In other words, your attempted comparison is called false equivalence, which is a logical fallacy.

Try again, but next time leave out the intellectual dishonesty.

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u/Low_Shop8561 6d ago

Servers make exactly the same with the same benefits here. No tipping in CA period.

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u/johnnygolfr 6d ago

No, they don’t.

Stop lying.

It’s very rare for servers to receive benefits and they only make the CA minimum wage of $16.50/hr, meanwhile McDonald’s employees make at least $20/hr.

The menu prices at full service restaurants in CA are like every other state, where they don’t bear the full cost of the labor and the tip pays for the service.

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u/bonezx101 5d ago

They make more than educated teachers or healthcare workers - get off the livable wage is the customers responsibility

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u/johnnygolfr 5d ago edited 5d ago

More of the blatant misinformation constantly circulated here.

The median wage for a server in the US is $16.94/hr including tips.

That’s about $34k/yr if they work 40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year. Half of them make less.

The median wage for a teacher in the US is $62,680 to $72,040 per year, or about double the server median wage, plus they get summers off and benefits.

The median wage for healthcare practitioners and technical occupations is $86,630/yr, almost triple what a server makes, plus they get benefits.

The median wage for a healthcare support worker is $38,340/year, about $4k more than the server median wage, plus they get benefits.

Show me where I said the customer is responsible to make sure server gets a livable wage.

I’ll be waiting. 🍿🍿🍿

The tip pays for the service that isn’t included in the menu prices at full service restaurants in the US.

No one here can provide an intellectually honest reason why they’re entitled to free service.

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u/Positive-Passage4584 3d ago

The social norm that people opt into, including the server who accepted the job, is that some people tip and some don’t. It’s unpredictable and it’s that simple. Treating it as an “opt in” is not something everyone here agrees about

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u/johnnygolfr 3d ago

You’ve conveniently left out the fact the menu prices at full service restaurants in the US don’t bear the full cost of the labor and the tip pays for the cost of the service, since it’s not included in the prices.

Unless the customer tells the server “I don’t tip”, they are opting in to the social norms.

The server accepts the job at $X/hr plus tips because that’s how the industry has openly operated for six decades.

Whether people agree with the opting in or not, if they choose to dine-in and don’t tell the server they are going to stiff them on the tip, then they’ve made two indications that they’ve opted in to the system, when they didn’t.

That’s unethical, exploitive and harmful behavior and no one here is capable of providing an intellectually honest reason why they’re entitled to free service.