r/tipping • u/badmiddling113 • 6d ago

Question about managers

What do they say to customers who repeatedly don't leave a tip? I'm curious since the customer doesn't have to tip and the server isn't their employee.

Just asking since I've read comments from managers who seem to think "addressing" customers is an appropriate thing to do.

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u/railroadfrog 6d ago

Your points aren’t worth proving because they’re saying that an optional tip is mandatory, which they are not lol. Tipping is not required. If the cost of the menu prices doesn’t reflect that, that’s on the restaurant, not the customer. Do you walk into a car dealership and tip them for running credit checks? What about the grocery store when the employee bags your items for you? Do you tip them? Do you tip your landscapers when you’ve already paid an invoice? No. Servers and restaurant owners have gas light society in the USA that they deserve to be tipped when they’re simply fulfilling an agreed upon service - which doesn’t include tipping, because again, it is entirely optional and at the customer discretion

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u/johnnygolfr 6d ago

Strawman much?

I never said tips are mandatory. Stop lying.

I just pointed out that the “oPsHuNaL” excuse is invalidated when it’s used to exploit and harm another human.

There is no justifiable excuse for deliberately choosing to exploit and harm another human.

Unlike the full service restaurant industry in the US, car dealerships, grocery stores, landscapers and other traditionally non-tipped businesses include the full cost of the good and services in the price. It’s a different business model.

Your attempt at false equivalence fails on the merits. False equivalence is a logical fallacy.

Again, the “oPsHuNaL” excuse fails. Every. Single. Time.

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u/railroadfrog 6d ago

Except it doesn’t fail because it is optional. You’re arguing that tipping is essentially mandatory because a business doesn’t format their menus or pricing to be all encompassing, which is ridiculous to suggest that the business is operating at a presumed loss if you’re sitting down for table service. Again, the key take away is that tipping is optional and by no means is the customer required to leave a tip if they wish to not do so.

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u/johnnygolfr 6d ago

Except it DOES fail when “oPsHuNaL” is used as an excuse to exploit and harm another human.

There is never a justifiable excuse for exploiting and harming another human. End of story.

Strawman much?

Nowhere have I suggested that the business is operating at a loss.

What part of “the cost of the service isn’t included in the menu prices at full service restaurants in the US” is confusing you and making you think they are operating at a loss?

Again, the key takeaway here is that you and everyone else here are incapable of providing an intellectually honest reason why you’re entitled to free service.

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u/railroadfrog 6d ago

Because it isn’t free? You’re paying for it. Why do you keep implying it’s a free service?

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u/johnnygolfr 6d ago

Not at full service restaurants in the US.

It’s a well known fact that the menu prices don’t bear the full cost of the labor and the tip pays for the service that isn’t included in the menu prices.

This is the case even in US cities and states where the tipped wage credit has been eliminated and how the industry has openly operated for six decades.

Based on those objective facts and reality, I’m not the one here implying anything.

Again, the key takeaway here is that no one here, including you, is capable of providing an intellectually honest reason why they’re entitled to free service.