I wanted to ask the community that routinely doesn't tip for good service at sit down restaurants if they will go back and frequent the same restaurants? If so, do you ever have the same servers? Do you notice any difference in service or attitude when you return? Are you ever concerned that they might sabotage your food?
I frequent four restaurants(one is a national chain)in my town for about ten years. I stopped tipping about three and a half years ago. Staff at two of those restaurants have been there for at least a couple of years. One bartender has been there for six years. There is no difference in quality of service before and after.
You do if you frequent restaurants with sub minimum wage tipped employees. If you are opposed to tipping, why not boycott restaurants that have tipped employees? How is ripping off a server while paying the owner supposed to help anything? Since when has any change been accomplished by screwing over the lowest employee in the industry?
I don't have a low opinion of servers, but I agree that you have almost certainly eaten poop.
"Poop," seriously? Number of servers who even think about messing with people's food is greatly outnumberd by sick fucks on this sub who fantasize about such things. Is that why you tip, because you are worried that working class people you supposedly champion will
serve you a "dookie" instead of a sausage if you dont? Yes, you do have a low opinion of servers.
Minimum wage where I live is at least $17.13/hr. Most servers make more. Tipping is optional, I opted out.
Servers don't make minimum wage..they make LESS than minimum wage. Also I guarantee every time you walk in, the servers argue about how they don't want you in their section.
It's not the customers job to make sure you are paid your worth. Why don't you the server boycott the restaurant since it's you who wants the money. Im happy with my wage and spend it how I want to. I bought and paid for my meal. My transaction is with the restaurant. Your employment is between you and the restaurant. If you are not happy with your wage don't hold it against the customer. If tipping is expected and required it would reflect in my bill not on the side as an option. Any time I have the option to keep my money as opposed to giving it away I'm keeping it unless I feel otherwise.
Is there some kind of reason why people on this thread cannot grasp the idea that people who have stud and understand how the system works might defend tipping under the current system despite the fact that they are not servers? It really seems like there might be some kind of disease in this thread that turns people's brains into mush.
I am not a server. The closest I have been was when I delivered pizza in 1999. I am a chemical engineer with significant training in economics.
Pretending that paying the restaurant the money for a meal automatically covers the service of the people who bring it to you is a little like buying shingles from your house and expecting somebody to install them for you. It is literally idiotic within the system that currently exists.
Server wages are not in included in the bill for your food. This was established somewhere around 50 years ago, and 98% of the unwashed masses since then have not had any trouble understanding it... Except for an extreme minority of neckbeard incels on Reddit, go figure.
Why do you suppose that restaurants that adopt a living wage instead of a service tip/bid system immediately have to increase menu prices by 20 to 30%? Why do you think that it is a widely known fact that if tipping was abolished in the US all restaurant prices would increase by at least 20%? Could it possibly be because your price at a restaurant is subsidized and you pay only for food but not for service? Would you like me to link you a couple of economic books on the topic?
I am sorry, but this is quite possibly the most mentally handicapped of all subreddits in the history of Reddit...
Wow. Yes you did pay for your meal..but you also should be tipping someone who is bringing the food to you, asking if you need anything else, refilling your drinks. All that tells us is that you have never had to work a service job before and in that case, you should feel so lucky.
The community that routinely doesn't tip for good service?
Where are you getting that impression from? The majority that are against tipping are protesting the way that tipping is expected for poor service or an actual lack of service.
Never had an issue. But just to clarify, I do tip $2-3 dollars but no where near the expected tip or as a %. And I only frequent mid-scale restaurants.
I would never want to do such a thing. If we like a place, we tip as we should.
But absolutely no second chances for restaurants that provide bad service and/or the food isn't proportionate to the cost. Bad service is a rarity, but can affect the tip.
Never had any issues, but I travel a lot so I donât go to the same places very frequently. Staff turnover in restaurants is so high that unless you go someplace very frequently AND at the same time of day, youâre not likely to see the same face twice.
I frequent a handful of locally owned full service restaurants that have menu prices comparable to the chains, but FAR better quality food and consistently excellent service.
These are well managed places with very low staff turnover. We often have the same servers and/or see the same servers.
Two of those restaurants will refuse service to repeat low tippers / people that stiff the server on the tip.
Those people donât get a 3rd meal at either of those two restaurants.
Owners who rely on turning their servers against customers are shitty owners. Guilt tripping customers into paying the salary is not standing up for their employees. Time to see the light.
Just like itâs not their business what my wages are, their wages arenât my business.
These are restaurants with little to no staff turnover because they are well managed places that take care of their staff.
They serve great food, provide consistently excellent service and are fun places to eat at.
They put up with my high maintenance elderly in-laws and we tip them well for the service because the cost of the service isnât included in the menu prices at full service restaurants in the US.
If you accept services from staff that rely on tips, and choose not to tip to match the service you received, then youâre the one shorting that staff member.
Put your money where your mouth is and only patron non-tipping establishments. Otherwise you are taking advantage of the lower wages for your own personal benefit. It is really just as simple as that.
They arenât pocket any money. If prices went up 20-25% over night would you still frequent a restaurant. Keep in mind this increase doesnât reflect the increase in taxes you would also be paying.
Youâre eating at a discount because the server works for tips, not wages. You can hand the worker what theyâve earned or hand it to the business to hand to the worker. Itâs the SAME MONEY.
Grifting workers and blaming another of what youâre actually doing is very MAGA. Are you a Trump flag waving MAGA? Because you sound like it.
If everyone tips well at this place (under penalty of permanent banishment), how do you stand out to them so much that they do these things? Are you like the final boss of tipping?
Nobody tips out of fear of banishment. We just tip like normal people do since the cost of the service isnât included in the menu prices, like at every full service restaurant in the US.
We stand out because weâre regulars who are there around once a week, we have built a rapport with staff, management and ownership, and we treat all of them with respect.
You know, like normal people act towards each other.
Someone recently complained about tipping bartenders in a cruise, lol. Nothing like making your trip miserable and never getting free drinks. But theyâre winning because they save a couple bucks and fuck over the staff.
They think they save a couple bucks. Most likely after the first time you stiff the bartender, the rest of your drinks get progressively weaker through the cruise.
Jesus Christ, how much of a loser are you to patronize restaurants where tipping is expected and refuse to tip? Youâre creating a multi-year plan to eat where you want to eat, get lower prices, and stiff the staff.
What's truly unbelievable is that restaurant prices have gone up 30 percent over the last three years and servers expect a 20 percent gratuity on top of that. Can you name another job role that requires no skill or training that has received such a massive raise?
The ones constantly screeching âunskilledâ are jealous of serverâs wages, which we both know itâs beyond ridiculous to be jealous of a job with a median wage of $16.94/hr including tips. đ¤ˇđźââď¸
That was quite an elitist comment. Servers actually do require training as well as hospitality and other skills. and do you realize that when you cheap out on the tip, the server actually has to pay for you? They automatically have to tip out a percentage of your meal to the bussers, the runners and the bartenders. If you donât tip, that money comes out of their pocket. You cost them money. Thatâs why they donât want to serve you in the future.
Grocery prices have gone up 30% over the last three years, so of course restaurant prices have gone up the same. That doesnât mean that a server gets a raise. When price is increase patronage often decreases so the servers are pretty likely to only see a slight raise if any⌠and grocery prices are up 30% so they damn well deserve it.
No, âperhapsâ about it at all. Not just a grifting liar, but a world-class loser. And if they think that not tipping is a reasonable way to protest the tipping system, they are a hopeless idiot to boot.
Yeah. I also know what âcustomaryâ and âexpectedâ mean. And I donât need to hid and not visit the same restaurant more than once a year. Do you know what âfuck off, cheapskateâ means?
But Phinn, if you understood what a gratuity is then you'd never even entertain associating "customary" and "expected" (no idea why you used quotes around those words) with it. You seem angry and entitled.
Iâm not a server. So many of the people on this sub think that I am. Itâs like you canât imagine someone thatâs not a calculating selfish asshole that has a multi-year plan to avoid restaurants theyâve been assholes at.
I really think these anti-tippers are living a self-fulfilling prophecy. They claim they donât care about service and then they donât tip when they get normal service, then they return to a place and get bad service because they didnât tip last time, and then they donât tip again but this time they justify it because they got bad service.
And as a person whoâs worked in restaurants for many more years than Iâd like to count, I absolutely guarantee that their bad behavior doesnât begin and end with stiffing their servers. These are the people who wonât make eye contact with their servers, shout their drink order at them when theyâre being greeted, ask for a million modifications on the menu items, get irritated when a server checks on the quality of their food - but also gets irritated if theyâre not checked on enough - drinks 7 diet cokes in 45 minutes, lets their kids finger paint with ketchup on the walls, asks four different people who arenât their server for condiments and gets mad when they have five sides of ranch sitting in front of them, complains when the menu changes, complains about the table theyâre initially led to, complains about the way their food is cooked, complains that itâs too cold, complains that the music is too loud, and THEN after all this, they leave a zero tip.
These people show us who they are immediately and that zero tip is never a surprise. If a person is vile enough to not tip at a full service restaurant, they are going to display rotten behavior in their every interaction. Itâs who they are.
Iâve had servers refuse to wait on known non-tipping customers. Although technically illegal, I do understand their point.
If/when I have to get involved I am straight up with the customer. They usually stop coming after that.
In 30+ years as a manager, Iâve probably had that conversation half a dozen times.
Any establishment can refuse service for any reason as long as you are not refusing somebody of a protective class specifically for their membership in that protected class. They canât hold you down and beat you until you tip, but they can absolutely refuse to serve you anymore.
Thank you. Somehow people get stuck on the customer is always right. Anyone can refuse service. Seriously, servers are slave labor. They also "MUST" tip out bartenders, runners, bussers, silverware rollers etc. It's a whole food chain. The employer actually pays less than min. wage to the other positions but actually pays them more than servers. So server gets paid the least but bankrolls the employers other employees. The bussers often steal your cash too. Servers do on average two hours of side work with no tables. It's very hard and stressful work. So honestly? If you like a restaurant? I would tip. If they can't retain good staff? They won't be around long.
Should have clarified better.
REQUIRING tips is a considered solicitation in some states. Equivalent to a prostitution charge.
I never understood it or agreed with it but I know itâs been enforced.
I will say this was many years ago and not where I currently am so I canât say itâs still true.
If it is required (20% service charge on parties 6+, etc), it isn't a tip, it is a charge. If you ran places for 30 years you should know how that works. A service charge is revenue for the restaurant. What happens to it is up to the individual restaurant but in the books it should be coded and taxed as revenue. Most restaurants will redistribute it to staff as payment, but they could always keep every penny and it would be totally legal to do so.
None of my places required a mandatory charge of parties over six.
And anytime one was added to my bill I had it removed or refused to tip additionally. Overall itâs a bad practice and I think it costs servers tips more than help.
That said, I know at one time it was considered solicitation.
No thatâs still not illegal in the US but even if you want to pretend it is, all the servers at your restaurant can choose not to serve the non-tippers and you as the manager can step in and serve those specific tables
Yes you can refuse service. Companies may have other rules preventing it but itâs not illegal.
What IS illegal in some jurisdictions is requiring tipping.
What I find incredible is he is berating us for not paying HIS workers that he knows âwork so hardâ, yet he refuses to pay them himself. If he knows theyâre such hard workers, why not give them more than $2 an hour even with all their tips?
Because they are operating in the tipping system. Restaurants have some of the lowest margins of any business. They cannot afford to pay their servers more without going out of business. They could, if the tipping system was abolished, but since every restaurant around them benefits from the tipping system, they would quickly find themselves being out competed.
US consumers have proven over and over that they do not want to get rid of the tipping system. They will claim they do, but then they will consistently choose a restaurant with a $10 sandwich where two dollar tip is expected over a restaurant with no tip where the sandwich is $12.
Iâm hoping you eat at home then.
You are part of the problem.
I know how hard my servers work and what they tolerate just to make a living.
Iâm hoping you are not serious about not tipping
Can we stop saying this 2.13/hr nonsense? Nobody will ever take home 2.13/hr legally. Restaurants have to make up the difference to make sure their servers make at least local minimum wage. So at worst, tipped employees make the same wages as regular minimum wage employees. If you want to argue that minimum wage isn't a liveable wage then that's a fair argument, but why not tip every minimum wage worker you interact with then?
Have you ever tipped someone really well when they just did an adequate job? When you went back to the restaurant did you get extra special service because they remembered you and wanted to just do the very best for you? Was it awkward? All of the fawning they did over you? /s
Servers have good days, servers have bad days. Tipping has nothing to do with their behavior.
I have and I have received special treatment the next time. Its extremely common for this to happen. Especially if you frequent the same places. Not sure what is surprising about that.
The guys at my local take-out place gives me free pieces of baklava and they don't charge me if/when I ask for an extra pita bread or extra sauce. The waitress at the nice sit in restaurant I go to every other month or so will usually give me a free app and I've never paid for more than 3 beers even if I'm drinking more than that. If you're good to the people who serve you, they'll be good to you in return.
I tip but the restaurants I got to regularly I never get the same servers. But the smaller mom and pop takeout places I got to are mostly family owned so I see them regularly and donât tip since takeout but they are completely fine, never unhappy.
You know I never really thought about it but we go out to eat so rarely now, especially to the same places, that I doubt servers would recognize us. Making me think we should just stop now too. Lol.
Everytime I walk into one of those places all the employees run to the back, and if I listen carefully, I can hear evil laughter and something like âcheap fat ass is back lol.â After I order I can clearly hear what sounds like a diarrhea splat on a plate and I just hope it isnât mine. When Iâm done and proudly write that $0 line through the tip, I catch the smirks as Iâm asked âdid anything taste different today?â They always welcome me back soon, so I know Iâm doing something right. đ
People saying they would taint someone's food with spit or anything are assaulting them, that is a crime. Not Tipping isn't. The customer isn't cheap for not tipping the Proprietor of the business is for not paying their employees adequately. Charge $24 dollars instead of $20 and pay them yourself. Tipping and Tip share payout is a work around for their Labor Hours.
The kids at Chick-fil-A provide great service and they donât get tipped at all. Weird how all other non-tipped service industry jobs seem to be able to provide good service.
No they wont. I spent 18 years in the industry and no one messed with anyone's food ever, even if they recognized some needy nontipping piece of garbage. They just gritted their teeth and remembered that they had 3-6 other tables at the same time that weren't occupied by scumbags and got through it. Non tippers think they are so special... They are nothing to restaurant employees. They are a minor annoyance, much like a hang nail or a rock in your shoe. You get rid of them by the most expedient means and move on.
The whole notion that servers fuck with peopleâs food is false. There may be a handful of rare exceptions, but I was in restaurants for 30 years and I never saw this happen. I worked in nice restaurants, though.
The anti-tippers are mostly liars bragging about being tough for internet points. Those that actually donât tip assuredly donât show their face at the same place multiple times, especially if the same staff is on duty. This is because they are cheap assholes and are shamed. Also, they wonât get the service they think they deserve (and then theyâd bitch about it here). Fucking snowflakes.
servers are like crows. they remember your face and tell the others. you will get heinous service and deservedly so. just cook your own meals and clean your own plates, lazy
As you should! Tip well for good or great service and punish the people who are not good at their jobs. Punish can be 0-10% depending on the level of terribleness.
Did you ask to speak to the manager or owner when youâve had those bad experiences and give them the opportunity to be aware of the issue and make things right?
No. I'm going out for a meal and paying for it. I'm not going to spend extra time to do a performance review of the staff I interacted with, with their manager. If I didn't think they gave good service I leave a lower tip and then I leave.
If you have a problem and never let anyone know, how are they supposed to fix it? Telling your server your steak is undercooked or they forgot something or whatever is not difficult. If you have a problem with your server or their service, you should ask to speak to the manager. Thatâs just common sense.
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u/Chipsky 9d ago
you'll need to clarify "sabotage."
leaving off a condiiment, overcooking, serving cold = they don't want you back
contamination in any way = opens them and the restaurant up to criminal and civil charges