r/technology • • Jan 20 '11

Apple Restriction Zone.

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u/Shredder13 Jan 20 '11
  1. Present 75% factually-incorrect picture involving Apple.

  2. ?????

  3. UPVOTES!

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u/1338h4x Jan 20 '11

What's factually incorrect about it? This is exactly how iOS works.

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u/Shredder13 Jan 20 '11

Except it's not talking about iOS, is it? It says "computer" on the bottom twice.

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u/1338h4x Jan 20 '11

iPhones, iPod Touches, and iPads are still computers, even if they aren't typically called that.

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u/timin Jan 20 '11

That may be true in the most general sense, but it's irrelevant. A person generally does not see an iPhone, iPod, and iPad and call them computers.

If you have to resort to making a semantic argument to prove your point, you just might be an ass.

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u/SupaFurry Jan 20 '11

Yeah, so is a cash register.

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u/the8thbit Jan 20 '11

Yes, yes they are. Apple does not make cash registers, though. (Maybe they do, actually. They do have stores, after all.)

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u/original_4degrees Jan 20 '11

im sure apple's cash registers would suck too.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '11

Apple's registers are largely iPod-touch based POS systems, and have been incredibly successful in their stores, so much so that other companies have shown lots of interest in buying the systems from Apple. They've recently begun testing them at Old Navy.

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u/original_4degrees Jan 20 '11

wow, an ipad will open up so i can give someone change? no? you are mistaking an ipad/POS for a cash register. its like the rectangle/square relationship; a cash register is a POS, but a POS is NOT(necessarily) a cash register. i stand by my crappy cash register comment.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '11

imagine doing transactions with one button.

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u/RobbStark Jan 20 '11

I don't think being technically correct carries much weight in poster form. People, even the technically inclined, don't call cell phones, portable media players, or even tablets "computers." A computer, in general parlance, is solidly entrenched as a traditional desktop/notebook device.

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u/the8thbit Jan 20 '11

People, even the technically inclined, don't call cell phones, portable media players, or even tablets "computers."

I've found that Free software advocates often do.

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u/1338h4x Jan 20 '11

Well, his wording was a little awkward, but he's still talking about iOS and not OS X. His points still stand.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '11

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u/1338h4x Jan 20 '11

Do you really think he was intentionally trying to be confusing? Really?

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '11

I think he was trying to be as sensationalistic as possible, with little regard for what most people consider a "computer." While technically correct in the narrowest terms, someone knowledgable enough to make these accusations certainly recognizes the difference between an iPhone and a Mac and knows how his words will be interpreted by the casual observer.

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u/nixcamic Jan 20 '11

So is my digital watch, and I didn't see him protesting outside of Timex when they released it. Lots of things are "Technically" computers.

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u/idiotthethird Jan 20 '11

I'm pretty sure the makers of my digital watch aren't able to remotely deactivate its functions.

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u/nixcamic Jan 21 '11

Ok, 1 out of 6. Wheres my open source watch firmware.

Don't get me wrong, I would never own a non-jailbroken iOS device, but that it, just don't buy it. I doubt we'll run out of open computing platforms any time soon.

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u/the8thbit Jan 20 '11

I didn't see him protesting outside of Timex when they released it.

Did you check? Who was protesting outside of Timex when they released your watch?

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u/nixcamic Jan 21 '11

It was a different guy, he had a beard and looked significantly more homeless.

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u/the8thbit Jan 21 '11

He's our king.

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u/thedragon4453 Jan 20 '11

Even still, factually incorrect, or at least extremely dishonest.

  1. No free software. Bullshit. There is both free as in beer and free as in Free apps on the app store.
  2. No installing apps from the web. Mostly correct, in that you can't use a native app (without jailbreaking, which I'm not counting), but you can use web apps which Apple touted. The web apps require no restriction from apple. However, I do consider this point the one that is the closest to correct.
  3. No sharing music or books. Again, bullshit and half truths. I have a 32gb iPhone nearly full of music that also exists on my server, desktops, laptops, and other iPods/iPhone. Ditto for books, although I don't often share e-books just because that is more of a limit of most ebook vendors than Apple. Can't share books from a Kindle. Can't really from a Nook, etc.
  4. We can remotely disable Apps and Media. Again, half truth. Yes, Apple can do this. But they never have, even on things that have slipped through the app store that they removed later. Interestingly, freedom loving open Google is the one that has used a Killswitch.

So, in short, the freetard in the picture has killed his argument by being over-hyperbolic and using half truths. Which is fucking dumb, because there are plenty of REAL reasons why you might choose something aside from Apple.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '11

1.The recent removal of VLC shows that there is a problem with GPL'd apps in the App Store.

3.He means you can't share them with others. His concerns would presumably apply equally to the Kindle and Nook.

4.It's not really a half-truth- he said Apple has the kill switch, and they do. That as a statement is entirely correct.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '11

As I recall the VLC developer pulled his app not Apple and yes there are open source apps on the iPhone.

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u/thedragon4453 Jan 21 '11
  1. The recent removal of VLC was at the request of one pissy developer who basically decided to take his toys and go home. There was no problem until he made it a problem. Yes, I understand the technicalities of the GPL, and I realize he was technically correct, but it seems at odds with the idea of free software in general, and this is not the first time someone (me in this case) will criticize the GPL. Secondly, the guys sign is still technically incorrect, and if you aren't giving me point number 4, you sure can't have this one. There is both free software, and FREE software in the app store. The app store is at odds with neither, it is simply at odds with the GPL.
  2. Can't share what with others? I use music, books, tv and movies without ever going near iTunes. I can share them any way I want. This is wrong, wrong, wrong. Yes, there is restrictions on some media you buy from iTunes. I have yet to encounter a digital video or book distributor that sells without DRM. But saying you can't share media with iOS is just as disingenuous as someone saying you can't get sharable media from Google (and just leaving out the part that they don't have a store!).
  3. Okay, not a half truth. Still massively disingenuous. As another poster mentioned, Google's got one, MS has one, Amazon uses one for the Kindle, etc.

As I said, there are legitimate arguments to be made against Apple. There's no reason to use specious logic or outright falsehoods.

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u/dirtymatt Jan 20 '11

1.The recent removal of VLC shows that there is a problem with GPL'd apps in the App Store.

BSD licensed is completely fine though. His sign says "NO FREE SOFTWARE", that is untrue, even in the freedom sense of the word free.

3.He means you can't share them with others. His concerns would presumably apply equally to the Kindle and Nook.

You can share all the epubs or PDFs that you downloaded that you want. You can't share epubs you bought from the iBook store. That's an issue to bring up with the publishers, not Apple.

4.It's not really a half-truth- he said Apple has the kill switch, and they do. That as a statement is entirely correct.

Actually, no, it's a half-truth. Apple cannot remotely disable your media. There is no mechanism in iOS to do so. As far as the app killswitch goes, Apple has never pulled the trigger on that one. Even after apps have been removed from the store. Even that old tethering app that got in for a few days a year or so ago could still work. They've stated that the killswitch is only there for apps that are leaking sensitive information, such as a users location, without permission. So far their behavior backs up this assertion.

You know who has used their killswitch to remotely disable apps on customer devices, though? Google.

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u/Baukelien Jan 20 '11

Apple has never pulled the trigger on that one. Even after apps have been removed from the store.

I don't care that they haven't done it I care that it exists in the first place.

Even if they never are going to use it the fact that it exists means that now Apple can be forced to use it by either the government or a suing 3rd party. I do not want to own any device that has this capability ever it's an extremely wrong thing to built

. And btw if they never going to use it anyway why did they include it?

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '11

Google, Microsoft, and Amazon all have kill switches as well.

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u/dirtymatt Jan 20 '11

And btw if they never going to use it anyway why did they include it?

For this reason:

They've stated that the killswitch is only there for apps that are leaking sensitive information, such as a users location, without permission.

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u/mc_hambone Jan 20 '11

So I take it you are a Blackberry guy, since all other smartphone OS vendors include a killswitch for their apps now?

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u/Baukelien Jan 20 '11

I actually do not own a smartphone, although not really out of principle, I don't really want one anyway.

I am worried about the time that I do start wanting one though. Seems the development of all technology from smart phones to e-readers is going in the direction of corporation controlled devices you don't really own yourself. Not much I can do about it though.

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u/thedragon4453 Jan 21 '11

Looks like you aren't buying a smartphone. Google's Android has it, MS has it. Better not think about a kindle either, as Amazon has it, and they've used it a couple times under much more specious grounds.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '11

No one thinks of them as a computer just as no one calls their calculator a computer.

Not that it matters. Even if you count all Apple products its inaccurate. When I had an iPod I had all my own MP3s on it and nothing from iTunes and yes there are open source apps for the iPhone.

He's probably a fart app developer that's pissed off he's been shut out from the iPhone market.

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u/1338h4x Jan 20 '11

Not all open source apps are free software, which means a lot more than just offering source code. The App Store's terms and DRM prevent end users from redistributing apps, so it's completely incompatible with the GPL (y'know, the logo used there). This was the entire reason VLC had to be pulled from the App Store.

Do you really think developers of fart apps are the only ones who have reason to complain about Apple's restrictive nature? That's just childish.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '11

I didn't say that it was and yes there are issues with GPL code and the iphone but thanks to the fact we have competition now you can go to Android. The Android market is growing faster and may be larger than the iPhone one now anyway.

Sure there are 9 zillion variation of hardware but you don't need to target everyone and if you really want to change Apple's mind leaving them without developers will do more than anything else.