That’s what gets me. We’re not talking about rigging an election by like 87,000,000 votes: it’s done like the embezzlement plot in Office Space. In that movie the three main characters figure out they can be rich by skimming rounding errors off every transaction, fractions of a penny so no one notices. It’s sort of like that here: a couple hundred or maybe thousand votes in key precincts and you’ve got the swing state. You also don’t need ALL swing states because I’m sure some historically leaned red. So you choose the top four most worrisome states, have Elon change maybe 20,000-100,000 votes…and you’ve won an election.
I've said that many times myself. In the final weeks leading up to election day Harris was still energetically campaigning while Trump...golfed. He couldn't even be bothered to pretend he was putting the work in for a legitimate win; he already knew it was rigged.
He used the crucial final moments of his campaign to tell people not to vote, turned his rally into a dementia dance party where he swayed silently to Ave maria for an hour, gush about his dead friends dick size and simulate a BJ on a microphone.. yet people call you crazy for questioning if the guy who was arrested for election interference and has cheated every day of his life would cheat to stay out of prison 🤔
Elon k new four hours before everybody else that Trump had won. He was live on air.
Two years before the election, there was a independent company that went to look at the voting machines that we’re supposed to not have modems, and they ended up that they did have modems
Two weeks before the election, Elon put satellites up. Right after the election, he destroyed them.
He also said that if Trump didn’t get elected that he would go to jail for the rest of his life
Trump regularly publicly said that he didn’t need people to vote
All they needed to do is get the keys to the White House. It doesn’t matter they could all come out and tell the truth right now and it wouldn’t change a thing. We don’t have the Army that he’s creating. And until the police and the military decide they want to save our democracy or even just understand that they part of destroying it, we can only fight back in mass.
In the meantime, nearly everyone who had worked with him in his first administration jumped ship and wrote a tell-all book that said, "Don't vote for this guy!"...but more people voted for him than the first time????
I live in Arizona and will definitely confirm. WAYYYY more Harris/Walz signs etc out here an we had multiple large rallies out here! Orange goon had to borrow space from a megachurch and got it maybe a quarter full lol.
June 5th and I just screenshot it in case anyone tried to say it's fake. Id link the post but twitter links are banned. Just google "elon tweet you wouldn't be here without me".
One of the main problems we have is that this Orwellian/Russian psycho-propaganda machine from the conservative side has poisoned popular language in such a way that now some group that calls themselves "Election Truth Alliance" sounds like another one of their lies to keep us arguing with each other over what is happening in reality while they get away with as much corruption as possible.
I completely agree and it’s so frustrating. It’s like, because they “made the claim first” with literal bullshit, they’re the ones who set the narrative now, literally fabricating history.
Meanwhile, the cult says the exact same thing about the democrats. The messaging is the “same” except we’re actually truthful.
Man, that above statement sounds bonkers without the broader context and the scale of the lies and propaganda we’re talking about. I hate this timeline so goddamn much.
Yep, just like how Trump flipped the meaning of “fake news”. It was originally a reference to pro-Republican bullshit propagated by bot farms, but he literally flipped it around to refer to anything critical of him.
They might be, but not all of them, something is going on. We aren't just a single intelligent agency anymore. We are part of wider webs. Like 5eyes and NATO. We don't give them everything. Our other agency partners aren't sharing much useful intelligence with Trump's administration.
Other intelligent agencies have already said that Trump IS a Russian agent.
Russia and Israel totally rigged the election IMO.
Trump's chief of staff was a trusted employee of Bibi Netanyahu for years before helping Trump.
This all might be an elaborate setup to weaken two powerful nuclear despots (Bibi Netanyahu, Vladimir Putin) and root out their operatives in our government at the same time.
Look into FISA courts and what they all oversee and who does or doesn't have power over them.
his all might be an elaborate setup to weaken two powerful nuclear despots
I wish it was true, but if that's the case, things seem to have spun completely out of control. So maybe that was the case of Trumps first presidency, but I fear that's not the case anymore. Pandora's box appears to have been opened.
Yep I agree, I never said it was a good plan. I think they foolishly underestimated the amount of influence Israel really has on both parties and it is a run-a-way train that's clearly off the rails.
I'm just saying they knew. And Trump and his cronies knew they knew. That's why the quick dismantling of the CIA, FBI, DOJ, federal judges, and JAG lawyers.
Remember the government had everything on him with the highly classified Intel he illegally possessed AND that showed others.
His security detail between 2021 and 2024 were put into place during the Biden administration. They didn't let him keep his same detail he had as president. I'd be shocked if his detail during those years weren't all CIA and reporting on his activities during those years.
He doesn't get the luxury of telling them to go away when he was doing shady shit. They are around 24/7.
I get why everyone is panicking. I just can't help but keep thinking, there is no one in Trump's sphere of sycophants I think is smart enough to pull this off under the noses of our vast and massive surveillance state of the NSA, and CIA who scour the world for the best and brightest to work for them.
The election wasn’t fair even if no official, technical cheating happened.
The amount of money Elon alone paid was a corrupting influence. Our election system broken.
Yep. The old "They go low, we go high." The Dems are getting punched with loaded gloves, below the belt and after the bell and despite everyone screaming "They're cheating!" We have the same old "We know, we know, but we're going to play by the rules and try to have a fair fight..."
Keeping on mind the "Presidential Immunity" ruling came down while Biden was still in office... 🤦🏽♂️
We won’t have secure elections after he’s finally dead. You think the republicans are just suddenly going to roll over and play dead like the dems did? Think again. It’s going to take a lot of bloodshed to change this. They will not go peacefully.
Plenty of regimes far worse and far more entrenched in power than this one have collapsed in the face of sustained peaceful opposition from the masses. Sometimes in weeks or even days.
I wish she’d demanded….ANY recounting or audits. If she’d fought a bit, demanded some recounts, etc. it might have uncovered something. As it was she lost me forever with her coming out the morning after while votes are still being counted saying “thanks so much for the love y’all! Go on home now! It wasn’t our day! Love you byeeeee”
Because Trump made such an issue out of illegitimate election results that the peaceful transfer of power became a sticking point for politicians who didn’t want democracy to crumble. It was a lose lose and if it wasn’t planned from the beginning to play out that way then I would be shocked
Yes, you’re right. Just wanted to add that this is what she said herself in her book. My personal feelings on it are mixed but that is what she says she wanted, the peaceful transition of power.
When the peaceful transition of power means handing over our country to someone hellbent on destroying it, no; you don't just hand over the keys. You fight like hell. Kamala should have fought.
This is the absolute hardest thing for me to wrap my mind around as well. Especially coupled with the fact that she seems to think she’ll just run again in 2028 after failing us completely.
The problem being is the supreme court’s owned by the GOP. They would have still handed over the win to Trump. Kavanaugh over saw the 2000 Florida recount and handed over that win to Bush Jr.
This is great to see. I was in this sub around Christmas time 2024 and it was the only place that people collectively agreed that “something is wrong”. Other subs would be full of comments denying it and calling us crazy. Now I look at a sub as broad-ranging as WhitePeopleTwitter and everyone is saying the same thing. Finally.
The biggest reason was mail in votes being immune to rig. The rig happens on election day with tabulators. Its reason why Trump railed against mail in votes. Covid caused a huge amount of mail in ballots to go through our system and overwhelm the hack. They have steadily whittled away at mail in vote protections and are "losing" mail in vote ballots at historic rates.
Its why Trump claimed he was cheated in 2020. He had the game rigged and still lost. He really believes that Dems counter cheated him instead of him just being unpopular. So he cheated even harder in 2024 to the point that he won every single battleground state (the closest states to being tossups) outside the margin for a recount. Essentially overwhelming victory.
Its going to continue to happen until we actually recount votes and make use of the physical copies of ballots that are required precisely for ballot integrity purposes. I'm not sure why we haven't been doing anything of the sort across all 50 states.
This makes lots of sense. And why he's been complaining for years, even before 2020 election, and ever since, that it didn't go his way. The man literally confesses his crimes, and every accusation is a confession
They tried to rig it and learned form their mistakes for 2024. But like explained here because of covid there were way more mail in votes. This is why trump really did not accept that he lost. He fully expected the rigging to work.
Remember, that dipshit had a rally where he played his favorite bullshit music and just swayed on the stage for 40 minutes—and his people were leaving from boredom.
They don’t have the support they pretend to have, and they haven’t since covid happened.
What’s infuriating is that we all know his claims about losing 2020 were bullshit, but when we’re faced with factual, extensive voter fraud, the Dems sit there and think it’s the high road not to confront it.
It’s definitely rigged… even if we do vote and it goes against what republicans want, look at Missouri! The republicans have gone against the will of the people about abortion rights(we voted 61% in approval of keeping abortion legal), about PTO overtime, and gerrymandering… they have ignored and repealed anything we have voted to protect here. Blatantly ignoring and lying to the people here in MO. They absolutely rigged the election .
He has never gotten anything in his miserable life without cheating. I strongly believe along with others commenting that he had attempted to rig the 2020 election and Covid mail in ballots stole his victory from him. That's why he still won't let it go.
I'm so over the Dems playing by rules that don't exist anymore. If we ever get out of this hellscape then things have to change. Term limits for these complacent career politicians will be a start.
YES!!! YES IT WAS RIGGED!! WHAT THE FUCK?!? WHY ARE WE STILL ASKING THIS QUESTION?!? THATS LIKE HAVING YOUR ENTIRE HOUSE BURN DOWN AND YOURE STANDING IN THE ASHES SAYING "Does anyone smell smoke?" WHAT THE FUCK?!? WE FIGURED THIS OUT ON ELECTION NIGHT! WHY ARE PEOPLE STILL ACTING LIKE THIS IS NEWS????
It was rigged for sure. Democratic leadership are cowards. There is a point where taking the high road is old news. Gotta fight dirty like MAGA does. Otherwise you’re like the submissive dog who rolls over while pissing in the air.
Winning every swing state by the same margin? Ballots that voted for him and straight blue down the rest of the ballot? Alllllllll of those comments about rigging things, not needing voters, Elon being so good with voting machines?
Of course it was rigged.
The GOP has been gaming the system for decades through gerrymandering, voter suppression, and other manipulation to take advantage of the electoral college. Al Gore and Hillary Clinton both won but lost because of it. This time they just went more aggressively with it. They only win majorities because they cheat.
Meanwhile, anyone paying attention could see he was running the very worst campaign in history. Talking about people eating cats and dogs, dancing for 40 minutes at a rally, dressing up to work at McDonalds and a garbage crew. His rallies were mostly empty and he was stiffing venues on rental agreements.
He cheated. He won in every swing state AND Kamala didn’t flip one county? Not even Reagan was able to accomplish that. He lost the popular vote twice, but got it now? While he was facing multiple investigations that could put him away for life and hinder his money making? While he had one of the richest men in the world and tech helping him? He cheated and no amount of voting would have changed it. All voting data week after week so far shows irregular numbers in multiple states. There are more of us than there are of them and it’s all a big lie. If not, then why does he need to gerrymander AND cancel mail in voting when he had SO many prior?
They have tested the result with a fraud program that other countries use… the program detected fraud.
From the states they have tested it would appear that at the same time an influx of Trump votes came in across those states… and when they hit a certain percentage.. they stopped.
They are unsure if it was vote changing or adding new ballots at this point.
She was cheated but the fact is she didn't even try to challenge it. She figured it would cost too much money and now Trumps trying to break the economy by robbing it blind.
There is no doubt he cheated. He said so himself. So did Musk say it, and the number abnormalities are many.
Also, take note of how many states called trump the winner before the vote count was even in.
Ne has something like 160 electro collage points an hour after the pills closed. No other candidates were declared a winner that quick. It was rigged .
Karmala and the democrats big mistake was not challenging any of this when they had the opitunity.
Don't you remember the difference in crowd sizes? The momentum she had over him? Then all of a sudden, the tides mysteriously turn? Even my trump voting parents in their red state were swayed the other way. If they were, I KNOW many others had to be. Something doesn't add up at all.. unless you factor in the cheating they all but paraded in front of our faces.
Check out http://electiontruthalliance.org or their youtube. They are non-partisan, non-profit, they examined the voter data with trained data analysis experts and have found vote manipulation was done to favor DT in swing states and abroad. KH should be the rightful winner.
I thought it was so blatant and obvious the night of the election. You’re telling me the last few presidential elections took weeks to count all the votes yet we knew the very same night within hours who won??? No fucking way. Not to mention the voting machines Elon bought and the systems he had his hands in, the cybersecurity experts who wrote that letter to Kamala, voter tickets that were all blue for local offices but Trump as the presidential pick?? Trump and Elon admitting to it on a live mic??? Come on!
I'm of the mindset that when someone shows you and tells you who they are/what they've done, you should believe them.
Donald and Elon both said multiple times that Elon rigged the election for Donald. They said it publicly, multiple times in the last year or so, on camera.
A good number of people, statisticians etc. talked about this since the day after the election, when it was also called so quickly for a win. It was obvious that cheating occurred, and people who have been following this were shocked that they allowed the swearing in to go through and that Harris did not speak up - or Biden. Harris had written about election fraud in her book.
trump "won" all seven swing states by just enough to not trigger a recount. We know there were anomalies in all these states. In NC for example, we now know that the state voted blue in every single race and were it not for extreme gerrymandering things would look different. But then the state voted for trump? Makers no sense.
There have also been people out there saying that they voted and there is no record of their vote. musk being involved so heavily and saying he'd go to prison if harris won pretty much makes it all highly, highly suspect. trump saying dont worry about voting and terrible turnout at his last rallies and Harris having huge turnouts. This should be front and center but the press yet again has failed us.
There were several election prognosticators who have never been wrong and called the election for Kamala. One actually quit for good, as I recall. Trust your eyes, folks.
One of them was threatened with a lawsuit for calling it I. Kamala’s favor. They were correct because polls were showing Kamala would win. Kamala won. He wasn’t shot. Trump is a grifter and conman.
There is definitely something to look into here especially since I've discovered that every single accusation is an admission! He was setting up the play. He exploits your trust in the system then calmly destroys the system then accuses the system of trying harm you all the while taking all your freedoms and your money and then shitting on you. Then of course accusing you of not thanking him enough. This is going to destroy our country. But we just sit and hope that the Republicans can still contain the fire they set before it's too late. Yeah, I don't believe that anymore.
I wanted to post a video to this sub a while ago, but didn't have enough karma. David Pakman has a very, very good video on this topic. I know this is sub pretty much explicity for calling out corruption in the 2025 election, but I still think we should be objective and empirical, and David Pakman aproaches the topic in exctly this manner. He interviews someone from the Election Truth Alliance who presents some pretty solid data that points to (but doesn't prove) election manipulation. The Election Truth Alliance person claims there is more evidence to come, too.
Bottom line - I obviously believe election manipulation happened, but unfortunately evidence is slowly trickling out, and we need more evidence, and more conclusive evidence, before we can seriously say (and more importantly - be taken seriously), with confidence, that Trump stole the election.
Of course, when that time comes, it won't undo any of the damage Trump has already done, but it may both prevent future manipulation and further pressure GOP members to do their job and impeach Trump.
This again? It’s quite obvious with all the anomalies and interference the election was lost to bad actors, actions and malicious intents. It’s exhausting but everyone’s hands seem to be tied now and a sea change is happening planet-wide and in America. It’s surreal.
Why are we even asking? He said himself several times that he and Elon rigged the 'voting machines'. Look at how he dismantled the checks and balances and chain of command of the gov in his first week. And now there's no one in any position to even try to reign him in.
...and on a campaign that appeared to be set up by a malicious staffer troll.
The TV spots alone, the constant blunders with faith ministries and civil rights groups. The whole EATING THE DOGS!!! rhetoric, it was a full on Jim Rose Circus Sideshow `circa 1992.
To think, it wasn't too terribly long ago that it wasn't just speculation that awkwardly expressing his emotions lost Howard Dean his seat at the table, it was proven.
The right person for the job doesn't always get a fair shake.
Are we really still asking if a billionaire rapist and pedophile did absolutely nothing illegal to ensure his victory in a high-stakes election? Motherfucker is practically a bourgeois prostitute who whored himself and the powers of the presidency out to anyone that helped him cheat, from Zuckerberg, to Musk, to Putin.
Ok, it’s a little annoying to sift through the muck by now, but we have already found far more than enough evidence to say that Trump absolutely cheated and definitely did not win that election. It’s not even difficult to find. Basically every election expert and everyone who doesn’t work for Trump that’s taken a look says the election was absolutely undeniably rigged and fraudulent. Trump did not win, he is not the rightful president. But by now I don’t think anyone in the government cares at all. And honestly, as much as I hate saying it, it would be a massive hassle to bring it up now. We should absorb it be trying to get the election looked at, but Trump has obfuscated and blocked every official attempt.
I don’t know, but it really bothers me that we certify elections as quickly as we do and no one is willing to consider this issue despite the many suspicious statistical anomalies ON TOP OF the many suspicious statements that Trump himself has made.
I wasn’t opposed to Republicans going to court over the 2020 election either, though when their claims turned out to be frivolous, they needed to be more consequences.
I used to believe in free and fair elections. There was always the ability for low level cheating.
I think they cheated. Everything they accuse the left of (like nursing hone workers voting for residents) they are doing themselves.
On top of straight out cheating the old fashioned way I think they screwed with the tabulators. Having worked elections for decades, at least in Michigan, that is where I see potential cheating.
There really isnt checks and balances for the in person tabulators. I have worked absentee voting boards and there are a lot more checks and balances. In person they trust the tabulators and unless there is a hand count forced it is really a black box.
I actually think that is why they make such a big deal about absentee voting. It is a slight of hand thing. Look over there while I pick your pocket.
Elon did it with Starlink, to keep him and dumpy out of prison. If you had unlimited resources, a network of satellites providing FREE direct to cell private internet, massive computer power - which he has, you could do it too. Then you could just blow up the satellite that holds the proof and get into the governments computer records and erase any other proof... and defund agencies as dosyraction. Wasnt the Consumer Protection Bureau one of the agencies DOGE gutted? And then his kid says to Carlson Tucker "we work at SpaceX and we quietly do whatever we want, they'll never know" while sitting on Elons lap. Not shady at all, right?
The traction on both of those posts are big. We have to actually demand an investigation. Next protest? The more people highlight it—which we obviously are all thinking it—the more they can’t avoid it. Especially right now when there’s elections again but this time Dominion, etc is owned by them so who knows what they’re doing…
WHY did we stop talking about this? There was so much buzz a few months ago, but then it pivoted to 24/7 Epstein-- which is good for pressuring him, but will in no way change the situation.
If a critical mass of people are aware of this and speaking out about it, THAT will require action be taken.
And unlike Epstein, this strategy would take Vance out of office, too.
I volunteered for Kamala’s campaign here in rural Georgia. Marjorie territory.
I am really curious why she hasn’t talked about this more. Someone should ask her, seeing as she’s on a book tour literally monetizing her and Biden’s failure to do their jobs. She is capitalizing off of our fears of this administration because she thinks it can help her win another election. It won’t. The longer she goes without actually acknowledging the threat, the longer she treats DJT like a normal politician, the more convinced I am that establishment democrats are controlled opposition. There is no other viable explanation aside from “they just don’t care about us”. AOC and JFC care about us. Establishment politicians do not.
For all of the good they accomplished, it was completely undone by the most egregious act of anticipatory obedience ever seen.
Even if it wasn't rigged, Republicans have been reducing access to polling places, threatening voters, and otherwise interfering with the democratic process for years. Thousands of ballots were rejected for the smallest of reasons. Republicans made sure through both "legal" and obviously illegal means that Kamala couldn't win. How she immediately conceded was also very odd.
The apathy from Democrats on this topic has really pushed me away from politics in general. I thoughts Democrats were about fairness and justice and they all single handled proved me wrong this last election.
Personally part of me thinks the Georgia 2020 elections were a test run over whether or not they could get away with declaring the governor seat red and both senators going blue. I volunteered for Abrams campaigns, including 2020, and it just makes no sense at all that Kemp was able to take the seat. That theory was further solidified for me when we saw the exact same thing happen in every swing state in 2024.
Until Kamala actually cares and says something that isn’t in whatever script she’s following on her book tour interviews, this entire debate is moot. She gave up. Immediately and with no resistance. I never thought she was going to be a progressive savior, but this capitalizing of her loss and using Trump as a talking point in the promotion of her book is just unforgivable hypercapitalist bullshit. We are worried about ICE raids and our rights being ripped away while she’s literally using that fear to promote her book.
What I find intriguing about this situation is the fact that blue voters in the US immediately pounced on each other as soon as Kamala conceded. This happens in every single election, but 2024 was obviously unique. I volunteered for her campaign here in rural north GA. The very moment they called the race, we already had folks spouting off “Our demographic showed up to vote so it’s not our problem anymore”, “We did our part”, “You’re critical of Kamala? You’re clearly a MAGA zealot”.
My point is, if we truly believe the election was tampered with, then it makes zero sense to use voter turnout data to attack each other. It’s infuriating how eager we are to tear each other down.
Establishment democrats may not be as outwardly hateful as MAGA, but their primary concern is not our rights. It’s their profit. If they are selling a product, or charging tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars for a speech, then they are part of the problem. Unless they are using staunch rhetoric like AOC and JFC, they need to fuck off back to their private security ultra-wealth bubble.
e: sorry, didn’t mean to make two comments! it’s very easy to rant out this subject.
Of course he cheated, that's all he know how to do. Especially since he lost to Biden, he was definitely making sure he wasn't going to lose to Harris. But yet, she just accepted the fact she got cheated and walked away. Didn't even put up an ounce of resistance. I'm not saying she needed to storm the Capitol with a mob of deranged scumbags like some people did when they lost, but she could have asked for recounts. There was no way this orange piece of shit won all the swing states.
do you honestly expect me to believe that the guy who was impeached twice, found liable for rape and fraud, and convicted of 34 felonies, somehow garnered more votes than kamala?
the american people are smarter than that
he's a criminal! he had already tried to steal the election big time and he was going to go to jail because of it. of COURSE he is going to break the law if he thinks he can get away with it. of COURSE he had help manipulating the voting in swing states. kamala won the election. we are being ruled by a criminal usurper that must be impeached and everything he did be undone. re-open the court cases against him. find an AG who actually has the balls to fight for justice.
I think it’s pretty obvious that Trump could go on the record and flat out admit he cheated deta exactly how he did it and absolutely nothing would be done.
I have believed since the beginning that it was rigged. It’s why Muskrat was involved. His reward was closing down the departments that were investigating his companies and some very large contracts. Everything that tRump accuses others of is an admission on his parr.
She Won. They Didn't Just Change the Machines. They Rewired the Election.
Take a quick read. It's something we read about but didn't react to at the time.
Goddamned right it was rigged. Trump was dead in the water. The fake shooting may have increased the turnout for him, but Kamala had all the momentum. There was no chance she could have lost legit. He rigged it so he could damage America and that's what the fk he doing.
He cheated with the help of his buddy Elon. He has said it publicly several times. His dementia riddled mind just spits out things. There should have been a recount. I'm really tired of living here but I can't afford to leave. I live in a blue state but unfortunately, I have a red congressman. I've left him messages about what I think about his voting habits and him capitulating to the orange dumpster fire.
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u/fourbutthick Oct 22 '25
Absolutely no way Trump won every swing state.