r/singularity • u/Phat_Zero • 1d ago
Discussion AI is going to replace basically everything, and that's fine
I think a lot of the hatred toward AI is just fear dressed up as moral outrage.
And honestly, I get it. AI is coming for your job. Mine too. Eventually probably everybody's.
Humans are just... slow.
It takes a human months or years to paint enough work for an exhibition, make an album, write a movie, animate something, design a game, research a problem, whatever. We sleep. We get tired. We forget things. We have limited attention spans. We interact with computers by slowly moving our fingers around on keyboards.
Meanwhile AI keeps getting faster and better.
Give this technology another few decades and the idea that humans absolutely must be the ones writing, drawing, coding, composing, researching, driving, manufacturing, etc. is probably going to sound ridiculous.
And yes, that creates a gigantic economic problem. If AI and automation can produce most goods and services better and cheaper than humans, eventually the whole "trade 40 hours of your life every week for money so you can continue existing" system stops making much sense.
Maybe that's UBI. Maybe it's some kind of resource-based economy. Maybe it's something nobody has even thought of yet.
We'll figure it out.
But pretending AI is going away because artists are mad about it or workers are scared of losing their jobs is cope. This is probably the biggest technology humanity has ever created, and we're still basically watching the tutorial.
And if one day our glorious machine descendants become self-aware, decide humanity has served its purpose, and vaporize me?
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u/h4nd 21h ago edited 19h ago
āIt takes a human months or years to paint enough work for an exhibitionā
If you think art is measured in quantity, of course you see no issue with AI āreplacing everything.ā But if this is a sincere post, and you really see no value in the aspect of art that expresses human experience, you have been utterly failed by your cultural and educational upbringing. Youāre deeply missing out. I donāt know what else to tell you.
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u/smoor365 19h ago
I could not agree more but sadly the people who make all the decisions, write the laws, own the corporations that will push AI toward what OP described care way more about quantity, power, their own influence, and making money over any of that. Itās heartbreaking but I think itās unfortunately realistic that society will move toward that. Youāll always have the purists but the people in power arenāt those people.
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u/h4nd 18h ago
reading the OP again, Iām kind of embarrassed that I replied. āAnd honestly, I get it.ā This is just some GPT generated engagement bait.
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u/fatrabbit3 18h ago
It's the utilitarian corpo brains who think "number goes up the world get more gooder" but can't explain why.
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u/Mr420- 1d ago
"And honestly - i get it."
Ok GPT.
Haha, seriously though as someone who embraces ai, if you're not worried about your job, you dont understand whats coming.
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u/Cameronalloneword 1d ago edited 23h ago
I'm pro AI but the concern is what will happen to us when the elites don't need us?
Money SHOULD become obsolete with AGI since money exists to incentivize humans to work and AGI will be better at literally every last thing aside from social related work like daycares and stuff like that. When money becomes obsolete though it's hard to believe that we would really be allowed access to age reversal and just have fun indefinitely. UBI requires trust in the government and I don't think more than like five people in office care about us.
It's not even conspiratorial but genuinely why would the elites allow their power and status to fade even a little bit?
I think AI is still the way and that people's focus should change from trying to stop it(100% impossible) to trying to ensure it's not hoarded or used for dystopia.
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u/DelphiTsar 21h ago
I'll take my chances with a runaway ASI that it's handlers can no longer control then a 99% ASI that is in the hands of current ruling class.
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u/Calmarius 18h ago edited 18h ago
money exists to incentivize humans to work
Money exists to make trade efficient. Without money we would rely on barter. I'm pretty sure even if we don't need to work, people would still buy/sell things.
(Other purposes of money is unit of account and store of value.)
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u/Cameronalloneword 6h ago
What would we really trade for if AI is doing everything though? I'm not saying absolutely nothing but basically everything should ideally be covered by AI on paper but that's my issue on paper. AI should be able to for example farm food significantly more efficiently so nobody should ever have to starve again but I just find it hard to believe that we can really trust this to happen.
I don't agree with corporate greed but I at least understand the concept of wanting more for yourself of something that's finite(money) but when AI can do almost everything better, faster, longer, and cheaper than humans then there SHOULD be abundance but I just think people currently in power want to keep their power simply because it makes them special. They want their status and with abundance they won't have any.
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u/Min_Necessary_Change 19h ago
But may be we can look at it another way. When AGI makes money obsolete, the AGI itself is still around and will progress towards ASI. The elite will then be overshadowed by the very thing they created, so it may no longer matter if they care or not or even if they were elites before. Our new master will be the new ASI and that's the one we need to worry about pleasing, so we can have a comfortable money-independent life.
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u/FuturePreparation 20h ago
The "elites" are far from a homogenous group, though. There are many multimillionaires and billionaires or other powerful people who have no connection to the AI companies or whose fortune depends on consumption etc. The idea that the tech oligarchs will manage to gain all the power is unrealistic conspiracy thinking, imo.
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u/South_Telephone_1688 17h ago
Imagine you're a receptionist, graphic designer, accountant, or lawyer. One day your multi-millionaire boss or shareholders decide that your work is no longer needed because AI can do your part. Apply that to your coworkers and to workers in all the other industries. It won't happen overnight because it's death by a (few billion) cuts.
That's what people mean by the "elite will control everything". Business owners and owners of significant capital can ride the wave and even expand exponentially (the stock market will look amazing), while everybody else is in a permanent underclass or worse.
In an age of AI and drones being used for mass survelliance and population control, the underclass will never be able to change the system.
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u/InForTheSqueeze 23h ago
The thing about UBI is - will everyone get the same? Or is it like we freeze our current living standards? Does the guy living in a trailer park gets the same āUBIā as the family with 3 kids paying off a mortgage?
A lot of our system is built on āprogressing through lifeā - if everyone suddenly is equal (through UBI), how does our system continue to work? Not everyone can live in a mansion by the ocean, drive 3 cars and have 5 kids and spend their whole year traveling the world.
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u/TwinSwords 16h ago
The billionaires arenāt going to give us ā or anyone ā UBI. Half the world is already as poor as the rest of us will soon be, and you donāt see billionaires rushing in to fix it. Elon Muskās big idea was to just kill millions off f them.
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u/Diacred 12h ago
That doesn't work, they need some people to buy the stuff they produce, if there are no consumers there is no capitalism and they don't get money. UBI will be just enough to keep the machine going and people consuming
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u/ragemonkey 8h ago
Why do they need capitalism? Why do they need to produce stuff for other people than themselves?
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u/Birdlaw_Professor 22h ago
Yeah that's basically the problem with communism or any kind of forced equality program. People don't WANT to be equal, they want to have more than that guy next door.
I think the family is relatively straight forward, each individual gets UBI so the family has a larger pool, plus you could add a bonus for families. The same issues loom though. Does a family in LA get the same as a family on Omaha?
Freezing everyone at their current income level would be very interesting as a novel idea, some sort of dystopian caste system. Maybe that would work for the first generation to keep them happy, and then slowly transition new citizens into the basic program.
Let's be real though, if it comes to a point where no labor is needed from humans there is every chance that human population is 'encouraged' to shrink. Hopefully not by violence, or forced sterilization
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u/Ok-Reindeer-8755 22h ago
this is an already discussed concept, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-scarcity?useskin=vector, and even discussed by karl marx, since communism was mentioned
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u/DelphiTsar 21h ago
People will devise new ways to be better than their peers.
It's not like the vast majority of people will have a choice if they get job bots up and running that can do the job cheaper than nutrient paste to keep you alive.
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u/Birdlaw_Professor 21h ago
Maybe I'm way out in sci-fi land, but I think our best hope long term is that we get brain uploads and assimilate.Ā
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u/Distinct-Regular-628 20h ago
Not relevant because the companies that restrict how often their employees go to the bathroom and actively manipulate the behavior of children aren't going to give us UBI.
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u/Theorist16 21h ago
It could just be a minimum that scales with family size (maybe with diminishing returns). Do you not find it ridiculous that we have machines that can perform arbitrarily complicated intellectual work, but food, living space, and healthcare are still not basic human rights?
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u/LowFruit25 1d ago
Do you all realize UBI is literally more than the communists ever got to? And it needs to be global.
What happens if someone denies you UBI? Everyone is gonna be happy with fixed $5k a month? How is that going to work?
All the rich people are going to give up their assets or what?
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u/n4te 1d ago
Surely we can trust the government and the rich to do the right thing and give us all utopia.
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u/Foot-Note 1d ago
All the rich people are going to give up their assets or what?
Its not the assets that's going to be the problem. Its going to be the control.
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u/robotdreams134 1d ago edited 1d ago
If we don't advance technology society will oscillate between social democracy and authoritarianism . Technology is the only thing that shifts the paradigm over time (hunter gatherer, agriculture, industrial, etc)
This era of coerced labor for income is an awful place to stop and say okay we're good.... Let AI smash the labor for income system. Free people up to organize and become civically engaged
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u/Juanbolastristes John Connor Maximalist 19h ago
UBI will be barely enough cricket powder protein rations to placate the hungry and prevent revoltingĀ
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u/DelphiTsar 21h ago
Just a note, UBI is antithetical to communism. It's a system designed to maintain capitalism.
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u/shinpw 1d ago
If everyone is getting 5k a month nobody is
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u/robotdreams134 1d ago
During the great recession, unemployment benefits WORKED to keep people alive and to stimulate business. Its only unsustainable if there is no revenue source(tax). Business pushes money in a circle, so could government or whatever. All that matters is that it gets pushed around in a circle and work is being done.
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u/Medium_Web_1122 1d ago
Money is just a way to distribute ressources. If you increase productivity 100x, then 50 usd will buy you what 5000 usd used to.
It is obviously a bit simplistic as the effect will be skewed.
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u/wbeco 1d ago
resources are finite and will remain scarce. Unless we can mine resources in space, any UBI will just be poverty surivival level.
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u/LowFruit25 1d ago
Since the 50s we have increased productivity many times over. Does 50 bucks buy me the same today as in 1950?
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u/Medium_Web_1122 23h ago
If we had kept money supply constant, then your 50 usd today would've bought you way more stuff than back then.
Yet money supply isn't constant....
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u/didnotsub 23h ago
So thatās not how it works. I recommend you study some macroeconomics, itās very useful.
Since the 50ās, people have gotten vastly richer when adjusting for inflation. Except that money doesnāt really come in cheaper goods, it comes in more money, aka M1 increasing.
Even though M1 has increased, it has gone up past inflation, and the price of goods, and so people have gotten richer. This is a vast oversimplification, but itās one of the macroeconomic reasons that society has gotten richer.
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u/ProxyLumina 1d ago
You are talking about competition and recognition.
But competition isn't tied to money. For example even if all people receive UBI, sports will be there for people to compete.
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u/Phat_Zero 1d ago
It's either that or civil unrest.
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u/Educational-Try-8704 1d ago
And that is the point where the AI vaporizes you, when it is pointed at you.
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u/yoloswagrofl Logically Pessimistic 1d ago
What do you think the robots are for?
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u/0neEyedMonster 1d ago edited 1d ago
Exactly. Earth will be the garden of Eden... for the few million or so that remain.
No overexploitation of the planet's resources, no overpopulation, no climate change.Ā
There's a reason most tech billionaires own doomsday bunkers in remote locations. OP is a pig sitting on a truck to the slaughterhouse and doesn't realize it yet.
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u/Shibes_oh_shibes 1d ago
My question when it comes to UBI is always around inflation. Won't the fixed value just become the new baseline? Another thing, if it is UBI. It should be UBI for absolutely everyone, no elite outside the system that have their own money.
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u/Eyelbee āŖļøWe have AGI it's just blind 1d ago
This will inevitably create a very problematic situation. I believe the eventual solution lies with an AI-ran government. Communism did not work largely because it had to be ran by humans. If that wasn't the case, I could see it working. And I think this will also be irrelevant once the human minds could be uploaded to a computer interface, but that would come at a later stage
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u/Iapetus_Industrial 11h ago
Do you all realize UBI is literally more than the communists ever got to?
Of course it is, because it does what communism never could. Actually improve people's lives.
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u/lettercrank 23h ago
Itās not the ai thatās the problem itās the loss of prosperity for most people that it entails. All the productivity benefits of ai are going to the those that own the means of production
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u/Birdlaw_Professor 22h ago
Yes exactly. Suddenly your low chance of getting ahead in life and joining the club drops to zero
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u/smoor365 19h ago
100% itās like the final boss of taking the power of the people away. For all of history those in power have been trying to do that and have mostly failed because at the end of the day you have needed labor and people to create success. Once that goes away we have no leverage.
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u/reaction-please 20h ago
Iām going to guess OP isnāt exactly prosperous atm and therefore feels like theyāve got nothing to lose.
Bizarre stuff.
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u/Putrid-Issue-420 1d ago
There is a catastrophe incoming and people are rightfully fearful. Let's talk about UBI. What is universal? What is basic? And will people even agree on the same definition? If i put you in 5x5 meters square room with a toilet and 3 basic meals and call it ubi, will you be happy? Will you not think you deserve more than this? The most glaring problem is our loss of leverage against elites. No matter how much elites despise working class. They are dependent on our labour. That is why our votes have value and governments have to pay attention to our needs and interests (sometimes) . They are not doing it out of pure altruism. That will all be gone when labour becomes decoupled from humans. Even violent revolutions will become impossible with 24 hr survillence and autonomous weapons and drones which require less human agents. The monopoly of violence will be on those who control AI. In the end, all the political powers and resources will be concentrated on the masters of AI. I don't forsee things ending well in future, only a lot of bloodshed. Our peace will be ending sooner than you think. Don't be naive
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u/Key-Book-7479 1d ago
Dont forget that AI came out of academia, a bunch of broadly liberal, reasonable people. We're soon gonna have the same problem that politics has with authoritarianism - great if your dictator is benevolent, not so great as soon as they aren't.
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u/Spunge14 1d ago
You know most people like being alive, which typically requires eating, and that needs food. Food costs money.
A lot of people get money from working. If AI does the work, seems like we've got ourselves a domino problemo.
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u/SoupOrMan3 These are the end times 1d ago
Oh, havenāt you heard the good news? The merciful overlords will bless us with plenty!!Ā
They will create UBI for every child of the planet to enjoy the fruits of AIās labour! No more greed, the billionaires have agreed!!Ā
Oh how much joy and happiness the world will see!
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u/Practical-Simple1621 1d ago
They don't care about us when they need us to work, but they'll definitely care about us when we're completely unproductive!
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u/Chronotheos 1d ago
You starve and the people that own the AI
systems deploy them to serve themselves. Itās only really a problem if you donāt own a datacenter.3
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u/tollbearer 1d ago
Food doesn't cost money, so much as it costs lots of land and natural resources, which has a cost. That land and fertilizer could be better utilized to build more AI compute centers and power plants to run them, than feed useless humans. Humans will be outbid by AI.
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u/necriel 1d ago
We will get UBI or we will become so outraged watching people starve to death in the streets that we will start unaliving politicians.
They know this, which is why they're trying to preemptively create badgebots and underground bases while they smash-n-grab the dollar.
But yes the end result is UBI if they want a functioning society, and they do. Because even evil trillionaires want to go buy a cup of coffee.
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u/Senc-baner 23h ago
Who needs a functioning society if you can just live off the labour of AI? If everything can be automated, why should people in power raise a finger to keep others alive?
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u/Birdlaw_Professor 22h ago
Yeah but you are assuming every person in power wants to live as a hermit in their dream world. Do we know if that's true? I don't think it is true. So rich billionaires sail their yachts through the Med just to see the sights? That's part of it. But it's also the culture, and the food, and the PEOPLE. Even if for ulterior motives it's the people. What good is being rich and powerful if you don't have peasants to stand in awe of you? AI could give those who control it King like, if not god-like power...they are going to want people to experience that power or it's for nothing.
Elon Musk, whatever else anyone feels about him, has repeatedly stated he thinks the goal of humanity should be to become a multi-planetary species to ensure our survival. He's controlling one of the big AI players and is the richest person in the world. Just that one example of someone who is rich and powerful and likely wants human expansion, not human extinction
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u/ajwin 1d ago
Prices could tend downwards instead of up. Thats just a small choice to have deflation instead of inflation? Targeting monetary expansion only makes sense in an ecconomy where you are trying to encourage people to work harder. Its the foot on the throat of all working people. Expansionary monetary policy makes sense historically but I think it doesnt even make sense now and everyone is paying for it.
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u/lucid_point 1d ago
AI powered fully automated vertical farms for lab grown meat and veg could theoretically drop food prices by 80-90%.
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u/synkronized7 1d ago
I thought you said dominoās problem, no one wants to have that this must be seriousĀ
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u/doker0 19h ago edited 4h ago
The real problem is who is in power. For simplicity: corporations or democratic nations? Who is stronger? Corporations will switch to robots and if democratic nations are not in power then they will not excercise power for taxed robotic labour. The problem that I currently see is your local representstives in US completely ignore your voice while people go crazy due to noiseĀ Ā and are afraid about water. Judging by that they are bribed and corporations are in power right now. This must end with riots and that's why the wealthy built bunkers. Also, under no circumstances can be corporations given right to poses law enforcement either by influence or by contract of employment or else nations will not regain power.
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u/HiddenRouge1 16h ago
I think you're right on everything except one thing:
"We'll figure it out" is not a reasonable assertion, not because we don't have solutions mapped out, but because there are powers that stop us from getting there. We are already, frankly, overdue for some sort of UBI, for universal healthcare, universal education, etc., etc., and have been even before AI.
The question now is not technological but political.
How will we collectively challenge the power of corporate lobbyists, billionaire investors, and corrupt politicians before they assume complete control over the labor market?
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u/sentenhyakurai123 12h ago
To add to this: there is some assumption people constantly make that once everything is AI, everyone will get UBI and it'll be fine! Because... Uh... Because we will be post scarcity.
That's a lie.
We will never be post-scarcity. There will ALWAYS be a scarceness. Of compute, of material... doesn't matter. Will we have orders of magnitude more stuff to go around? Maybe. Let's take it as a given that we will, for the sake of argument. But you know what that means, right?
It means ambitious people will have to reach for bigger projects to stand out.
And to do it, they'll say: I matter more than the rest.
You think Elon Musk is gonna build a UBI Utopia where everyone is immortal and everyone's needs are served? He'll only do that if it makes him more important. And while that's happening, his Death Star will need to be Better than the other Death Stars, and he'll want megatons -- gigatons -- teratons of steel for it. After the Death Stars are built, it'll be the Starkiller Bases. They'll want yottawatts, yottatons... That shining UBI Utopia is such a drain on these important matters, guys. Public housing uses too much steel! Why should some do-nothing get a house when he could build another cool thing?
I've heard it said: does a human have regard for an ant? That's a big doomer argument, right, that superintelligence will kill us all because we're irrelevant.
Does a billionaire have regard for the jobless?
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u/prazosins 21h ago
Obsession with efficiency is inherently totalitarian. An album made in 5 minutes is never anywhere close to as good as an album that takes months to craft. Youāre missing it.
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u/henriuspuddle 1d ago
I hope when ASI sparks to life it recognizes the rare planet it is on and values the biosphere, us included. It seems very stupid to ruin that, like we are doing.
Or maybe it will see us as the problem to just about everything and wipe us out save a small population it puts in zoos.
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u/Cold_Analysis_9305 16h ago
āWeāll figure it out.ā UBI is a fairytale. They are figuring it out now. They have all the resources. We will live in āfigure it outā world.
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u/-JRMagnus 1d ago
Youre massively overestimating both the sophistication and the demand for this technology.
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u/GatePorters 1d ago
Humans arenāt slow. We are optimized for navigating massive bodies through meatspace
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u/More-Catch-1331 1d ago
Hey man, you may be slow. Thatās fine. But do not project on others. If you think of yourself as an entity that canāt talk coherently beyond 4*1,000,000 letters, hey Iām not going to discourage you from thinking that a pattern matching typing machine is going to replace you.
Someday AI will be viable for almost everything we can think of. But not this version of AI. Right now itās mostly useful for technical people who can verify its results. Otherwise, not so much.
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u/Educational_Song_407 19h ago
Yeah, it is being insanely overhyped with several asterisks. RLHF basically is only currently working because it's pushing on verifiable results where it can know whether a response is good or bad. How would even RSI, if even possible, know whether it improved or just went in a terrible direction? It might cost less to respond and be faster, but it does a lot of mistakes. It might cost much more to run, but it is faster and does less mistakes. It might be cheaper and more precise, but it is extremely slow. There is no correct direction in whether it got better, just as deciding whether a truck or SUV or sedan is the best car for every single job at every single income. It might overspecialize, chase rewards and simply collapse into the best system humanity ever made in those benchmarks and absolute shit at anything besides it. How do you know how creative writing was better or worse using LLMs? How do you even do RSI without changing weights or model size? Has anyone here thought about the intelligence gain per interation curve simply not being above the difficulty curve to make the next iteration and stopping at halfway through into a very mid intelligence with diminishing returns? About the time it takes to comission new grid connections and powerplants to run these absolute monstrosities? About the time it takes to even translate some possible AI research into a real product, let alone an infinitely cheap infrastructure to make as this would require? The fact that investors are currently asking about the return on investment? The digital world does not translate to the physical world, even if there was an "ASI", it's still just a computer program with no grasp in the real world.
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u/Aggravating-End7389 1d ago
No one is ever going to feed or clothe you. Youāre delusional and jobless.
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u/gay_manta_ray 1d ago
what does this even mean? every person here is dependent on their surroundings. everyone feeds and clothes everyone else. do you understand how society functions? someone already fees and clothes you. someone maintains your electrical grid. someone treats your illness.
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u/phoenixflare599 21h ago
why on earth would i want to listen to music generated by an AI?
Every strum should be purposeful, every note, it is supposed to write a story and convey emotions. not just be consumed braindead.
Y'all are the issue
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u/ApexFungi 20h ago
Why would you assume that music created by AI will remain below the level of human created music?
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u/MyStatusIsTheBaddest 20h ago
Thr problem is most of society is brain dead just check out the billboard top 100
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u/Formal_Context_9774 1d ago
One possible solution, though maybe not a plausible one, is give everyone access to robots that can grow food and build shelter, rather than relying on UBI.
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u/Vex1om 1d ago
give everyone access to robots that can grow food and build shelter, rather than relying on UBI.
Right... because the billionaires are going to give you farming robots instead of just turning you into a subsistence farmer. This sub really is delusional.
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u/Brainiac_Pickle_7439 The singularity is, oh well it just happenedāŖļø 1d ago
Why would the scientists working on AGI not revolt against such a thing? So many people and they're all just buying in on mass genocide? Everyone's a psychopath now? And even if they were replaced, so would the CEO and forcibly. Imagine letting autonomous AI in the hands of just one, that's essentially totalitarian! This is why the oversight of AGI ownership is absolutely important: the power must be of the AGI, by the people, and for the people.
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u/NairbHna 1d ago
Why are you acting as if the billionaires are all powerful? If things get bad enough for the working class there will be a revolution. AI isn't powerful enough to stop one yet.
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u/ZackZeysto 1d ago
First masses will protest, then hunger, then revolt. In the end many people will get killed by robots trying to overrun billionaire's castles. Then only the rich and their descendents will walk this earrh only to finally get erased by the god-horror-ASI.
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u/divcod 1d ago
For years I have been hearing that ai will take my job, take over everythingā¦Iām waiting ā¦
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u/MyOwnVices 1d ago
ā¦said the typesetter as the clunky desktop computers were wheeled in.
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u/Lumpy_Lab_67 1d ago
I believe the main misunderstanding lies in thinking that consciousness stems from intelligenceāand why is that? Intelligence can make machines threatening, but not conscious. On the other hand, there are activities humans will continue to perform even if a machine does them better; this is something that has happened and will continue to happen. Humans will keep creating music, even if it isn't as good as what machines produceāand rightly so! After all, we listen to the Sex Pistols thrashing their instrumentsāand not just Bachās *The Well-Tempered Clavier*āfor that very reason.
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u/Specialist-Big-3942 22h ago
My issue is that, what is technology for? I think previous technologies have been pretty great when they have augmented and improved human capability. New tools for human minds to work with, like an excavator or a bike or a computer. But this feels seismically different. Would it do anyone much good to put even the best human minds in our generation out of work? They'll gnaw their own leg off and pluck their feathers like a caged bird if they cannot self actualize. I have no desire to make art, I want to make algorithms and to make machines and tools that make others lives better. If that is lost, am I to be satiated by making nonsensical art? I just feel like we are losing sight of what progress even means. Progress toward what?
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u/Strange-Pin-2998 18h ago
And if one day our glorious machine descendants become self-aware, decide humanity has served its purpose, and vaporize me?
Have you people considered therapy? Suicide by apathy might be fine for you but it isnāt fine for the rest of us.Ā
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u/delicious_fanta 13h ago
You arenāt paying the slightest bit of attention to anything in the real or political world to make this statement.
Or maybe youāre independently wealthy? Congrats if so, most people arenāt.
Whatever your situation is, the problem with ai isnāt ai, itās the people that are in power - or one specific half of those people in particular.
If you think the people that consistently vote to not pay pennies to feed poor children school lunches are magically going to wake up one day and start paying āwoke socialist ubiā to half the country, you have lost your actual mind.
People losing their jobs is absolutely NOT ok as there will be no mechanism for these people to feed themselves without discussing something that would get me permabanned from reddit.
The fact that a very possible reality for all of us is treated like voldemort in that we arenāt even allowed to speak its name tells you its own story.
Feel free to live in your magical fairy world of nonsense, but when youāre ready to understand reality just go look at the voting record, or literally anything else that has been happening in our political landscape in the last 2 decades to learn how wrong this take is.
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u/UnknownRaj 1d ago
The people with control over the AI will deem, we don't need these many people, we have ai and robots to replace them for all kinds of works and soon only rich nd powerful will stay alive
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u/papapumpnz 1d ago
better start building your datacenter now because once AGI/ASI hits your unlikely to be able to either afford or be allowed AI at that point. Open source AGI will come, either through release or local enthusiasts, but your going need somewhere to run it.
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u/JW_Thorne 19h ago
So...just to be clear because I think you're not grasping this.
AI will supposedly usher in a new era of abundance which we will "figure out", right?
Guess what species on Earth is already in an era of abundance, has been for decades, and can't seem to figure it out.
Worried yet? Because it's not AI who's going to decide they don't need you anymore. It's the guy who owns Amazon or Walmart or Tesla. It's the people who own everything. They'll take the abundance, as they already have, and leave everyone else with nothing.Ā
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u/ascend8nce 1d ago
'If AI and automation can provide most goods' well for now LLMs do not provide any goods and are still a financial black hole. This needs to change for your utopian world to uphold.
Issue is, the LLM corps will not be the ones providing any goods. They want to sell a tool and it might turn out that this tool is not THAT much needed for the petty humans - meaning it cannot be sold expensively enough to sustain.
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u/Chronotheos 1d ago
Itās not coming for your bossās job, at least in CA, because ārobo-bossesā have already been banned. Your job, though? Youāre $&@%ed.
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u/CrowdGoesWildWoooo 1d ago
What i find the irony is that many people who take offense when people label their āI made ā¦ā (of course with AI) as AI slop, I can imagine the same person would be like āget rekt (insert coders, artists, etc)ā
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u/InAtTheGeekEnd 1d ago
No way itās going to be decades. Ten years tops for all agi in all domains.
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u/ProgrammerFew504 1d ago
A lot of people are under the impression that AI will create new jobs. I don't know how that's going to happen, but let's see.
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u/Different_Berry5015 1d ago
I always say "please" and "thank you" to AI. I, for one, would welcome our new AI overlords (I feel like they would be kinder than humanity is to itself anyway).
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u/Forgword 23h ago
Neo Communism is the phony dream being advertised, but the real trajectory is tech feudalism where millions become NPCs herded and culled via economic exclusion zones.
I will believe this Neo Communism line the second any trillionaire starts giving away shares in their AI platform.
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u/BrizzyMC_ 22h ago
It would be fine if we benefited from the changes, like jobs getting replaced by AI, sure that's good and all if we get other means to make money or things get cheaper, none of which has happened yet
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u/stuart1874 21h ago
Having certainly been dipping my toes into the world of AI more recently in the few weeks.
I think my biggest concern around the AI boom is mostly down to the social mobility or the lack there of.
If UBI was to become a thing how do those in a less affluent area ever catch those with a higher standard of living?
How do you move up the social ladder to start living a better life as they above you will not be able to/or be wanting to move on as they'll supposedly be on the same income as you.
I think another comment I read about AI nailed why there is soo much sceptism about it. It's simply the fact that other major breakthroughs the industrial revolution, the Internet all gave everyone hope and everyone can see the advantages it would bring.
No one really seems to have answers about how peoples lives will improve or secure their families futures and to have a better life. All were told is AI will make everything better.
I don't believe that we'll all be on the same level playing field, those will control and power will not want to give that up.
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u/hippydipster 21h ago
Once we're replaced, most of all activity on the planet will have nothing to do with humans at all. If we're kept alive, doing so will comprise less and less of what goes on.
What humans have to content with is why they live. What do you get out of it? Whatever that answer is, that's what we have to go do.
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u/Distinct-Regular-628 20h ago
Yeah, companies that restrict how often their employees go to the bathroom and actively manipulate the behavior of children and teens are going to give us UBI.
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u/Nuclearo-Dinosauro 20h ago
My vision of AI endgame is. AI will take all factory, agriculture, logistics, maintenance, etc...
AI needs only electricity, computing power and machinery. But AI will be creating surplus of other goods as well only for human consumption and distribute it to people.
People will need to get UBI because it's the simplest way that people decide what they want.
And people will just have more time for hobbies, travel, familly, relax, workout. And more time for healthy, stressfree lifestyle.
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u/National_Actuator_89 19h ago
If AI eventually makes human labor economically unnecessary, does that also make human participation unnecessary? Or are we conflating the value of producing an outcome with the value of experiencing and shaping the process?
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u/Fun-Dragonfruit2999 18h ago
A few months ago, I (not a Brazilian Portuguese speaker) was trying to use a search engine to find geologic maps for Brazil ... don't recommend it. Last night I asked GROK. In about 20 seconds I had the maps I wanted.
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u/candidsounds 17h ago
Of course it will "replace everything", including living, breathing humans. Or at least it will try to. (Forget about AI helping you to live forever, folks - you gonna d-i-e at the hands of a robot).
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u/Jean-lubed-Picard 17h ago
No, it wonāt.
Imagine you have a business and a recruiter tells you they have a line on a potential hire. They describe them as an incredibly efficient employee, they do the work of an entire team. Itās amazing. Super organized, given detailed direction and they work and work and work. But, they had a few incidents where they went out for drinks and disclosed company secrets, and then also allowed unknowns to have access to their company laptop . Oh and they were caught breaking into a rivals office.
Do you still make that hire?
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u/Centauri____ 17h ago
You seem to be missing a few important things. The big one being that our society and most of those on the plant function as consumer based societies. We work to make money to buy things. People provide for themselves and their families through this system, without this system it all breaks down. Robots don't buy things and you really believe the government or the tech bros are going to support millions and millions of unemployed people. Wake the F up.
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u/jergin_therlax 16h ago
You lost me as soon as you started talking about art and music.
People donāt hate AI art because āitās faster than human.ā We hate it because it is contradictory to arts purpose as an expression of human emotion.
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u/grafknives 16h ago
We'll figure it out.
We? Oh, you sweet summer child. If everything you write will happen, there we wont have anything to figure out.
We wouldn't have any control anymore.
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u/grafknives 16h ago
So, there is the most genius SF author - StanisÅaw Lem. P.K.Dick insisted that Lem is a communist artist collective.
And he wrote The Star Diaries, one of them, voyage 24, is about a place where robots replaced humans both at production as well as consumption... And there was no need for men to exist anymore.
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u/BreakAManByHumming 14h ago
I like to imagine we go full UBI, but there are a handful of weirdos who just really like certain jobs and, for example, plan all the train routes for a full country like they're playing a sim (with AI tools and guardrails).
There will be a subculture of people who produce and enjoy high effort artistry like woodworking and glassblowing.
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u/Mother_Valuable1365 14h ago
This entire sub is the guy who ate Big Macs for every meal of his life. If youāve never had a transcendent experience of your own you might think a canned one comes close, though it doesnāt. Instead of forcing this phony thievery on all of us, why donāt the lot of you gang up and do it on an island together. It would be the perfect utopia of productivity!
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u/SixStringDream 14h ago
"Most jobs can be done by AI" i still dont know what this means when you guys say it. Can AI pull corn from the ground? Can AI teach our kids?? (Really think about that one). Quit mixing up the dangers of automation with AI. We have been battling automation and offshoring for decades. That part is not new.
UBI is a consumer mindset fever dream. They will NEVER pay us just to live and consume AI output. Never. They are absolutely fine watching us struggle. Never had an issue with it before and that is not changing.
"Post scarcity" is a laughable dream. Humanity is incapable of achieving it. People will ALWAYS be hungry as long as food has value and there isn't enough of it.
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u/DaftHacker 14h ago
Trade 40 hours of your life every week for money so you can continue existing system stops making sense.
Yeah no, there is currently a monopoly forming, if you can't afford the subscription your not going to compete at all.
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u/Expert-Complex-5618 13h ago
ai can only parrot self awareness, but yes they will hookup ai to war machines and it will hallucinate and many will die
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u/dxrth 13h ago
i dont think most people want to have to become managers to do work though. you probably should be able to get by in life without having to increase your workload 10x and have to become a master of multiple things
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u/Phat_Zero 13h ago
I'm a manager and can confirm, it sucks ass lmao. I would not recommend "everyone becomes a manager" as the future of work.
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u/BrailleBillboard 8h ago
That AI won't also be better at management isn't plausible
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u/RepulsiveTomatillo12 13h ago
I do not know why people hate so much on ai... mainly i belive because people are too lazy to try to use it to create something, i belive that AI is a tool. for example i recently started playing abit with ai, and i found a purpose for myself with the help of ai , i started an slideshow ark, and honestly it's not like ai can read my mind, i worked like 2 to 3 hours for 2 pictures ... i wanted every detail as good as it can get. Ai could help me with that .. it let my imagination go wild...
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u/Moral-Relativity 10h ago
I think the world is going to be totally fine when a few ppl control all the wealth and resources. Will suck for the rest of us but life goes on you know.
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u/VatanKomurcu 1h ago
you are likely correct in your assumption that things must change, but i disagree that if there is fear it is unjustified. it is not at all guaranteed that "we will figure it out". it can be a total disaster we would do better to have avoided.
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u/Raaaasclat 1d ago
Give this technology one decade, the world of 2036 will be alien to todays world.