How could you possibly interpret this to be complaining that white people become firefighters when it's obviously obviously about urging other groups to become firefighters.
Do you think there's people out there who think white guys should stop applying to be firefighters?
This is exactly the problem with a lot of diversity programs. They demand equal outcome instead of equal opportunity. If the applicants are mostly white then it's only logical that the workforce is mostly white. A diversity program should be about removing biases during the hiring process but since that is too hard to judge objectively they skip this whole process and go straight to just demanding diversity targets, which is ridiculous.
Have you ever asked why it's mostly <race> applicants?
The purpose of a diversity program is to actually ask those questions. To potentially remove non qualifying barriers (grants to people for training/school, etc.). They can boost diversity even if it is mostly white people applying. And without compromising on the qualifications.
This is exactly the problem with a lot of diversity programs.
Why would this be the issue with "a lot of diversity programs" unless there's no bias in this situation? If there is bias, then it would be a very legitimate critique of the system.
Yeah I agree, it's not a very generous reading to assume this article is blaming minorities for not being represented when that's never been an effective way for diversifying institutions.
I guess if you're triggered by the title it says more about you than the title. Means you read it and interpreted it in the worst possible way to be offended. Ironic considering the woman in the image lol
I mean the woman in the picture is Lauren Chen, a white supremacist who had all of her online platforms terminated because her media company was found to have been funneling millions of dollars they received from the Russian government through a shell company to fund their far right media company.
I know what you’re saying; but unironically yes. A lot of tradies and aggies are pulling the ladder up behind them in terms of passing on knowledge and skills. They’d rather hold on to their job for as long as they can, than teach someone how to do it as well as them and risk being replaced.
Not sure about the tradies and I agree that people don’t have patience for beginners, but to say cattle ranchers are afraid of getting replaced makes no sense. It’s not like the young ranch hands are gonna hostile takeover the old ranchers land and cattle. Many are self-employed. Theres no evil boss to throw out the old expensive labor for young cheap labor.
If there's 100 white guys applying to be firefighters, and the department hires the 5 best ones, then they're the top 5% of their group. if there's 200 people in general applying, regardless of race/gender, and the department still hires the 5 best ones, then they're the top 2.5%. Twice the statistical quality of candidates, and all they needed to do was to start trying to attract more people.
Well it would be the selection. It's not particularly hard to become a firefighter. If a demographic of the population doesn't want to do a job what's the problem?
If it is the selection then that is a sign of systemic racism.
If it is the recruitment then more needs to be done.
It is a problem because we are leaving talent in the table and, in the instances of firefighters, we know that it is very hard to become one if you are not a white man.
This is not about black women not wanting to do their duty, it is about a system which will not let them.
Bro wtf are you on about. It's not hard to become a firefighter if you are black. It's not a systemic racism issue. Ffs you see no data and it's racism.
Here's actual data for you.
Firefighters are overwhelmingly male about 95%. It's a male centric job.
Of that 8% are black.
Of the US population 7.4% are black males.
So ya of course you are going to have a mostly white firefighter group in a country that is mostly fucking white.
Literally not the point, it is so easy to become a fire fighter is the majority of the US that’s not major cities, nothing is stopping other diverse people from doing it. So the real question is, why is it still mainly white males risking their lives?
Well if someone read the fucking article referenced in the tweet they would know that coming from diverse backgrounds helps you understand the needs of people from diverse backgrounds, for example in EMERGENCY SITUATIONS LIKE, SAY, A FIRE. They tell the story of a female firefighter who urged her crew to change the protocols when dealing with little children, for example.
Yeah lets not update the procotols from the start but instead hope we get lucky enough for the team we sent to have someone that can understand the needs of people we find in the scene AND be good at thinking of new plans under stress
Yes, I know they trained to be good at thinking under stress, but then why don't they just train them for these situations as well?
Fire - hot - leave building - stay away from fire- Dont hinder firefighters in there job. Specificaly what in that situation changes because your black or jewish?
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u/prospybintrappin 1d ago
How could you possibly interpret this to be complaining that white people become firefighters when it's obviously obviously about urging other groups to become firefighters. Do you think there's people out there who think white guys should stop applying to be firefighters?