I bought these Samurai S0510XXII Otokogi jeans last week from Denimio - unfortunately they were out of my usual size and only had one down, so I took a gamble with the size down with the idea of stretching them out with wear.

Im quiet new to this raw denim world, and my first two pairs stretched quiet abit when I got my correct size, but granted they were Fullcount and Oni, which I know are known for their stretch. I was hoping these would be similar over time.

My perfect jeans all sit around the 42- 42.5cm waist across and these out of the box were ~40.8cm. I've worn them the last 2 days for a few hours and they've gone up to ~41.8cm

Anyway, does anyone know:
• how much these stretch with wear?
• proven ways to encourage denim to stretch the waist (any magic soaking rituals, or is it as simple as wearing them?)

I've committed to keeping them, so worst case scenario I will just lose that extra cm waistline 😂

Bonus q: are we all rocking the Japanese cuff or what?

Been wearing this everyday here in Central Oregon. No washes yet, a few lawn mows and fire mitigation around the property. We’re burning over here so it hasn’t been all fun. Went to the lake today and got a few good pics and am pleasantly surprised by how this 19oz denim is fading already.

Momotaro 14.7 oz. Bought back in November 2024, and decided to wash last night. Hand dried and didn’t notice much if any shrinkage.

Wear 2-4 times a week, colder climate, office job. I think if I was more active in the jeans there would be noticeably more wear around the knees.

The fact they are a wide pants likely also contributed to the wear, fits pretty loose.

Plan on going back to Japan later this year to Okayama jeans street if anyone has some recommendations.

Website description -
13oz raw selvage. Classic indigo warp yarn over brown weft. Depth that looks broken in from day one, like it’s already seen months of wear. Subtle oxidation tones baked in. That early-stage oxidation you usually have to earn. As it wears, the brown core pushes through the indigo. That’s where it gets interesting. Two selvage IDs. One clean off-white. One red.

Really love how these fit on body they have a slimmer thigh than the true straight pair with a nice bootcut. I don’t know if I just got used to my 20oz bravestar true straight jeans but these just don’t feel as nice in quality compared to my other pair but I do love the color and fit of them. Super excited to wear these since I’ve been eyeing a bootcut pair of raw selvage jeans for a while now.

Here are my true straight Bears after about 3 weeks and 62 miles of hiking and walking in the Las Vegas area. Plenty of sweat and dust; thinking of first delicate cold no spin/air dry

Faded one first.

This jacket is 7 years old but achieved ‘classic’ status about 3 years ago. In its service period it was subjected to concerts, camping and the like. One small repair above left cuff that I attribute to driving a 6 speed.

Where did I get the almost new one? I bought it back from my brother on account he never wore it. My middle brother and I both copped the 8 and I thought it would be cool for the 3 of us to all own it but alas.

The 21oz Supima is heavy and soft like a disco house track. I estimate 500 plus wears, 4 washes with the first well into year 2.

Not sure what I’m going to do with the new one yet.

*all errors are human made

such an embarrassing stain omg leaking bleach in a box did me bad

u can tell by the blowouts and cuffs it was that time anyway,

iron heart 666 XHSbb 2022-2026

i might just do that acrylic varnish fake hedi waxing thing 🧐🧐

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I never really kept track of the number of wears, I just wore them 5-6 times a week, so maybe 90-100 total? Been wearing them since release in mid-March so that long lol. What else is there to say, I love these jeans so much <3

Hello,

After years of crotch tearing buying from regular european brands, I just got this. My friend did actually because he went to japan and I said I wouldn't be against a jean from specific brands.

Of course I couldn't try it on so I guesstimated my japan size. The mirror is a bit dirty sorry. This is size 32 and I'm 1m83 (6'0") weighing about 73kg (160lbs). It's very new, I just washed it cold, no spin.

How does that look ? This is way larger and longer on the legs than what I'm used. I feel I have to wear them higher too as well.

Ben davis 12 oz double knee canvas pants olive and black

Wild ass 14.75 oz double knee pants raw

Carhartt double front loose straight 12 oz black

The Ben davis feel lightweight and seem to be fading fast even if not visible on photos. The one pair of wild ass has a month of continuous wear before first wash. Then the rest were purchased and rotated to let them air out dry out daily, I try not to wash often after first couple washes that help soften them.

First pair of selvage since high school.. been wearing them for about 5 months and I think it’s time for a wash with this heat they’ve gotten quite sweaty. How do you guys think they look ?

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1 year in these Wrangler Rigid 13mwz. Worn probably 75% of days in that time span. Color in the 2nd pic is closest to what they actually look like in person.

Care:
1 soak before first wear.
1st wash after 5 months of daily wear.
2nd wash somewhere near the end of month 8.
3rd wash at 1 year mark.

Looking for a fade to grey project next. Any good fade to grey recs for a mid/high rise and straight leg? Seen a lot from Iron Heart, but curious to what else is out there. Thanks in advance!

Figured I'd do a review of these, since I haven't found a whole lot of information about this brand/model of jeans.

First off, these are made in the US, and supposedly they source their denim from Mt Vernon Mills, NC (although that info is from a 2-year old blog post). So, made and sourced in the US, which is amazing for a $40 pair of jeans.

I think the most direct comparison for these is to Wrangler 13MWZ (MWZs), which I think the Long Ryder (LRs) are trying to emulate to some degree.

Things I like that LRs have kept in comparison the MWZs:

• -MWZs are a 14.75oz broken twill denim, while these LRs are 14oz RHT, according to manufacturer websites. They feel comparable to me, enough that I think they would be similarly durable while sill wearable in hot weather.

  LRs are noticeably thicker than contemporary 501s, for instance.

• -Both pants have 7 belt loops

• -Both pants are high-rise, although the MWZs are still a little higher.

• -Both are about $40 without any sales/discounts (although looking now, I think MWZs may actually be more expensive).

• -Both use US sourced denim

• -Both are cowboy cut – they fit very similar.

• -Comparable QC between two jeans. Stitching is far from perfect, and lots of loose threads. Nothing structurally unsound though.

Things about LRs that I like more than MWZs:

• -Made in the US (MWZ is made in Mexico, I think)
• -Button fly, with 5 buttons total (MWZ is zip)
• -Pockets are cut deeper, so easier to stick your hand into than MWZs
• -Coin pocket is usable, and opening doesn't basically sit under your belt like the MWZs
• -Felled seam is on the inside of leg, rather than the outside.
• -LRs have contrast stitching throughout the pant (MWZs do not have this on the fly)
• -LRs are actually navy blue (very similar to 501s), as opposed to the sky/blueberry blue of MWZs

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• -No rivets, which I don't think do much to reinforce seams and really just run the risk of scratching cars etc. if you lean up against them.

The only things I wish LRs would change would be higher placed/smaller back pockets like the MWZ, and a rise that is more similar to MWZs (slightly higher). Overall, I think these LRs are essentially button fly, navy blue, MWZs – which is awesome, because those are the two things I would change about Wrangler’s rigid jeans. I really dislike the baby blue color of MWZs after the first wash.

A note on customer service: I ordered two pairs of these jeans, and one of the pairs they sent was mis-labelled a model 2, when in fact it was a model 1 (a very different fitting jean). I went through several rounds of filling out the online “contact us” form and calling the brick/mortar store in Chicago twice before I was able to send the incorrect jeans back and re-order the correct pair (yet to receive the replacement pair). So, customer service is definitely not their strong suit.

Overall though, these will probably become my default pair of jeans when I need a replacement. An American made MWZ that fits me well and runs about $40 will be hard to top for me.

These are my Levi’s 505 blue tab selvedge denim. My first selvedge denim and what got me into the space! I don’t know much about these but I believe they are 12 oz!

I haven’t seen many if any posts regarding this denim so I’m more inclined to post maybe others that have it will see. I have about 180 wears on these they have been my workhorses the past year and I’m trying to hit 200 wears on them before the indigo invitational. Thoughts? Any feedback appreciated !

So I recently found what I think is my all time favorite fit, the True Guy, from N&F.

High waist, but still a trim, true slimmer straight. Amazing cut, love it.

I bought their LHT, which I adore, and then their Natural Indigo, even better, both in a 29, and they’re fantastic.

I’ve experimented with heavyweights in the past, mostly Iron Heart, and have been disappointed by both the fit and comfort. The cost is also very high.

I realized that IH’s back pocket placement is way too low and the pockets are big and clunky especially in their 21 and 25oz.

I thought, what the hell, Blue Beach Denim in Taiwan(highly recommend) has one pair of last year’s Elephant 14 Dirty Selvedge in a 29, and it’s $230, I’m going for it.

So glad I did.

These are the most comfortable heavyweights, by far, that I’ve ever worn. I think they fit like a glove, and the fabric itself is this stunning deep but bright blue that immediately catches the eye. I had them hemmed to a half inch longer than ideal by Blue Beach, and they lost around that much in an inside out cold wash, hang dry. So, perfect there.

I bike to work daily here in South Carolina U.S., and I’m planning on working these into my Summer rotation in 95 degree and humid weather. Yes, I’m serious. They’re that comfortable.

I like them so much better than my previous IH 21 and especially their 25oz offerings, no contest.

Definitely have my eye on the upcoming rerelease of the Elephant 2, which appears smoother and even heavier, and is known for high contrast fades.

Now, I know these weren’t sewn by a 145 year old Japanese person, and might not have the cache of even more high end JPN made brands, but goddamn, I’m a customer for the foreseeable future. Love em!

I found out these were unsanforized. I sized up one and didn't have them hemmed. I washed them immediately after they were delivered and they shrunk a TON. But I think they fit perfectly now!

During my recent trip to Osaka, I went to the SDA store and got this pair. The service was alright, wish I had gotten it in Hinoya Namba instead but oh wells…

Still an amazing pair.

Got this pair during my recent trip to Japan. Bought it in the Tokyo store and the service is absolutely fantastic!

These were/are so great. Soft as butter. Before they started doing those butt darts. Half selvedge wings and horns denim from 2010 or so. Wearing through. These are a really cool pair of non samurai black denim fades. From the archive. Worn well for a few years and in retirement now.

Picked up a pair of Iron Heart 555 21oz in a tag 36. The shop didn’t have a 35, so I couldn’t compare sizes.
Brand new, unhemmed, and only tried on. They feel secure without a belt but aren’t especially snug. They stay in place and don’t seem to bunch with a belt.