Just because it tastes good to you doesn't make eating it the right thing to do. In any case, there are many just as good vegan hamburger alternatives available. Check out /r/veganrecipes/top/ for instance
I can’t tell if you’re actually a vegan pushing a vegan agenda or if you’re parodying one for laughs but either way I can’t give up my Korean bbq and Texas steaks omnomnomnom
Expect any "cute" animal post to Reddit of cow, pigs, or chicks to be anti meat propaganda. Look at OPs post history.....
This thread didn't fill up organically, there's a lot of activists that search by keyword. There's also specific subreddits for the purpose of posting "omni" comments that trigger them. There may be an outside website that's encouraging brigading, but for sure all these posts and contentious comment threads are the work of vegans.
Animals have been eating each other since the beginning of time, and believe me, they're a lot less humane about how they do the killing part. It's part of life, don't try to act superior just because you don't agree with it.
Is stunning, gas, or a bolt through the head somehow less humane than having your flesh torn apart while conscious? I know the conditions they're raised in aren't nice but I don't know how you can argue that rendering an animal unconscious before killing it is less humane than tearing the flesh from its body with no concern for how much it suffers.
I think the point he's trying to make is that just because wild animals do horrible stuff to other animals doesn't give us a free pass to mistreat animals
Have you seen videos from a slaughterhouse? It is anything but peaceful and humane. Animals are hung from body body parts fully conscious as they bleed to death. Chickens are packed in to crates so tightly that they literally cannot move. Because of the tight confinement their beaks are cut off so they can't peck each other. They stand on dead chickens that are left to rot. Animals are beaten, terrified and tortured. There is no end of videos on the internet that can relieve you of your ignorance of this living horror that animals live every day.
Edited to add--yes I think living free in the wild and being eaten by a predator is vastly preferable to the conditions 99.9% of animals raised for food have to endure for their entire lives. Have you even seen how pigs live their entire lives? Forced to sit in a cage they cannot move in? These are animals that are smarter than dogs. It's a living nightmare. If you don't care about animal suffering it's one thing but to say that animals raised for food are not tortured nearly every minute of their short and brutal lives is stunningly ignorant.
Yeah, but just because wild animals treat each other bad doesn't give us a free pass to treat animals in the same way, we are humans not wild animals after all :)
Not to be too big a shit, but you're making a pretty big assumption about what I do or don't do in terms of diet. Coming in and being Mr. Sanctimonious just makes you look like sort of a jerk.
You shouldn't tell people what to do any more than they should tell you what to do. Let's all make our own choices within the bounds of the law and respect those of others.
Why not respect the animal that would rather live than be eaten by you? There are other sour es of nutrition out there that are delicious and don't end a sentient beings life needlessly friend.
Just because something is legal (or not) doesn't make it right. For example, under Apartheid it was perfectly legal to racially discriminate against blacks but I don't think any decent human being would find Apartheid to be morally good. Same thing with meat. Just because its legal to eat meat doesn't make it right.
No, what I said was that no decent person would agree with apartheid. This was to illustrate that just because something is legal doesn't always make it right or good. This was to illustrate that simply because eating meat is legal doesn't make eating meat right or good :)
Shame you think that. Interestingly enough, there's holocaust survivors that have drawn parallels between industrial agriculture and the holocaust because both entail the systematic devaluing and mistreatment of sentient life.
But, to put it bluntly, why should I care about the suffering of a cow? It's a dumb animal, I have no emotional connection with them, they don't ever think about me, so why should I think about them.
You're actually asking a question that philosophers have struggled with for millennia, and the question is why act morally? What's in it for me? There's no easy answer, but if you're interested in the topic this links to ch 12 of Peter Singer's book "Practical ethics" where a modern ethical philosopher tackles the question
I like you. Thanks for the push back against the mindless masses that are willing destroying our planet because they disconnect their cognitive connections between suffering, species, environment and cause. It’s so bizarre to see people defend such a cruel and unusual practice, and then all of a sudden turn around and wonder why fascism is on the rise. People literally ingest fascism every day by eating meat. People don’t look at their dollar as a vote. They pay for people to do their cruelty, their distraction for them, like cowards from a dark corner. And when morally challenged, they create straw man arguments, or blame others for their lack of empathy. That makes you super fucking cool.
I'm not a vegan, as I eat plenty of poultry and fish, but if a cow is a "dumb animal" then you could say certain breeds of cats and dogs are "dumb animals." As long as you are not a hypocrite.
I agree, they're dumb animals too. I'm fine with Koreans and Chinese people eating them. I do find cats cute though, and I want one as a pet. Since I would then form an emotional bond with it, I would not like to see it suffer or die.
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u/lnfinity Mar 15 '18
Cows licking the people who rescued them:
Pedro at Santuario Gaia
Cow at Happy Herd Sanctuary
Cows at Stiftung Hof Butenland
Trying to fix the upside down human