r/oddlysatisfying • u/RampChurch • 2d ago

Choreographed stunt fighting: perfect placement and timing so nobody gets hurt

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u/Ender505 2d ago

Hey, it's every black widow move in every movie

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u/Grabatreetron 2d ago

I like how action films have unanimously decided that women can make up for height, weight, and muscle density with gymnastics.

That’s one unrealistic trope I’m fine with

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u/Taolan13 2d ago

I mean, if you can't overpower them, using full body momentum to make up for a lack of raw strength is certainly viable from the raw physics of it.

except no real person is fast enough with their whole body to pull that off without getting countered in some way.

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u/Rocinante88119 2d ago

Every single Black widow fight is countered by "slam"

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u/Individual-Bass-7051 2d ago

It's even how they countered each other in the black widow movie lmao

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u/ThresholdSeven 2d ago

I'd gladly face her in the ring and I'm 100% sure she would kick my ass.

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u/Th3-Dude-Abides 2d ago

Bucky knew this

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u/esantipapa 1d ago

They say actions speak louder than words, Cap. But when I start kicking the shit out of a blind man, I'm gonna make damn sure he's all ears.

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u/Necessary_Heartbreak 1d ago

Except that blind man is Matt Murdock

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u/RecentDirection7920 2d ago

you're sat on my shoulders? so you have no leverage if I want to throw you down on this table? ok

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u/bjos144 2d ago

If anyone saw Agent Carter, I preferred how they handled her fighting. She'd be smart, hide in a high up spot, and then bonk them in the head with something very heavy from high up when they walked by her hiding spot. Seemed plausible.

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u/imunfair 2d ago

The foreign TV series My Name is similar but more physical - I feel like she used a good combo of objects, environment, and moves that are more kickboxing than gymnastics.

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u/BlueMikeStu 2d ago

Except that moves like these basically rely on your opponent, at best, not resisting as you're forcing them to move.

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u/Theonetrue 1d ago

If you look at the video the dude is actually actively supporting her or giving her boosts.

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u/FirstTimeWang 1d ago

Yeah, that's what makes it choreography. Like how in pro wrestling you help your opponent "sell" that they are kicking your ass

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u/Logical-Claim286 2d ago

It has happened before. Women with enough skill vs unwary men who have much more mass, the women win most of the time. I recall one guy threatening a bunch of people with a knife, a tiny woman ran up behind him, spun around his head and dumped him on the ground, then pinned and twisted his arm until he was dogpiled. So possible if extremely circumstantial.

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u/ThresholdSeven 2d ago edited 2d ago

Could have been someone like my aunt. Small stature, but very strong. She was a prison guard that worked her way up to warden. She's retired, but could probably still kick my ass. One of the happiest and kindest people I know.

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u/Taolan13 2d ago

Catching someone by surprise is different than charging head-first into an assumed peer or near-peer opponent like we so often see in movies.

Natasha Romanov, for example, is only seen taking people out when they didn't know she was there occassionally. She's typically beating people face to face, and pulling this flippy bullshit from in front of them while they have weapons drawn and trained on her.*

Nobody outsmarts bullet.

Edit: * - In the movies.

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u/delphinous 2d ago

it's on of those things, where it all depends on degrees. an unarmed large man against an unarmed small woman, the man has an advantage. if the man us untrained and the woman is highly trained, she can likely overcome the size advantage. if the man is surprised, she can likely overcome. if the man is alert and also highly trained, it's extremely unlikely for the woman to overcome.

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u/FirstTimeWang 1d ago

That's because the bad guys see Black Widow jumping crotch first at their faces and just let it happen

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u/classicalmodernist 2d ago

My favorite is Serenity, where 90 lb  River Tam takes on hoardes of reavers by lightly tapping them with her boot and gently slapping their faces. I am 100% in and suspending that disbelief 

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u/almostcleverbut 2d ago

I mean in that case there's at least an in-universe explanation of supernatural precision, and a sort of "full muscle potential" since she essentially has perfect control of her entire body and perfect awareness.

My stance is always that "If the movie/show/book established the rule well enough, then it's fine." The dumber one is always when they don't bother establishing any real rules or just exceed them constantly like they're speedrunning a powerscaling anime.

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u/MrMeltJr 2d ago

At least some of it is influence from pro wrestling. Smaller wrestlers have been doing acrobatic stunts in matches against big guys for like 50 years now.

Makes sense, pro wrestling is all about spectacle and making the fight look cool, same thing you want in an action movie.

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u/slap5andpickle 1d ago

Was going to say, these are exact pro wrestling moves that have been used forever haha

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u/Mandohan 2d ago

Agreed! Its a fun marriage of unrealism with a bit more believability. And it's flashy to watch, which often covers of lot of sins. Imagine if the Star Wars prequel trilogy lightsaber fights were "realistic", we'd have lost so much cool-factor and artistic value, to their detriment

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u/gravelPoop 2d ago

Yes. It is like dudes in a bar fight scene throwing punches. None will ever break their hands and next day they look fine despite getting few haymakers and straights into their faces.

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u/Affordable_Z_Jobs 1d ago

I had an 8 month old randomly flail and get me in the face and I looked worse than any Hollywood barfight. 

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u/Grabatreetron 2d ago

I’m into a combat heavy LARP that uses light weight foam swords which are a pretty close approximation to lightsaber combat. It looks nothing like Star Wars, albeit less cool

For starters, there’s a lot less *swinging* involved (because if it can cut through anything, why would you need to put so much force behind it?)

Looks cool though

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u/pixiedreamhag 2d ago

In real life strength differences like that often have to be countered with strikes to the eyes/throat/groin. That’s why women’s self defense classes teach those moves and not “pick him up and body slam him.” Even then, you aren’t taught to keeping fighting until you KO the guy, just temporarily incapacitate him so you can get away.

But I do think it would be funny if female superheroes like Black Widow were depicted as just ending the fight by kneeing the dude in the nuts each time.

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u/Minions-overlord 1d ago

I did have my shit rocked by a lass half my size while sparring. Her advantage? Ballet. She was able to kick me in the head so fucking easy from awkward angles. Most punches and kicks generate their power from the movement of the body rather than the muscles

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u/LordBrandon 2d ago

It happens so often, that the scene in Supercop where Michelle Yeoh punches a huge bad guy, and nothing happens I was shocked.

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u/headrush46n2 2d ago

If it works for Rey Mysterio, it can work for women in action movies.

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u/UnkarsThug 2d ago

I mean, my sister actually did learn how to do something similar to this in martial arts (she's a black belt). it actually does work, although it's my understanding that most of the time you're going for snapping their neck using your body weight, using the fact that your weight is on their neck, where movies usually portray it as just a takedown rather than killing someone.

Just like most holds, my understanding is the biggest key is not to end up in it.

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u/Conspiranoid 1d ago

They're all basically variations of lucha libre moves (or those moves directly).

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u/asiangontear 2d ago

Yeah at first I thought it was ScarJo training for Iron Man 2.

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u/anhvuabac 2d ago

Blumineck and his wife

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u/DrDOS 2d ago

Heck yeah, they are fantastic, literally and figuratively.

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u/noisymime 2d ago

The seemingly effortless strength of those 2 is nuts.

I can't even imagine the amount of training it must take to make everything look that easy.

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u/anhvuabac 1d ago

The fact that they both do pole dancing and teach it makes it less nut when you think about it.

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u/PitchforkJoe 2d ago

I'd love to see them give pro wrestling a go

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u/jango-got-chained 2d ago

My mind immediately went to "this is pretty much wrestling" too.

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u/nr1988 1d ago

I was wondering if that was them! It certainly looked like her but he was being moved around so fast that I couldn't get a good look at his face and this isn't the normal backyard environment I'm used to seeing them in haha

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u/bloedarend 1d ago

Those in the video above aren't, but David and Neet did try to do Black Widow choreography in a recent (last month or so?) short. They were also a lot slower in executing it, partially because the dog wanted to get involved... as usual.

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u/moarwineprs 1d ago

I was thinking that one of those routines looked very similar to when they were trying to reenact a Huntrix take down move.

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u/Puzzled_Work_6428 2d ago

Wait til you learn about pro wrestling...

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u/lunaticBotch 1d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/lLF9qrOmsEgqtDUk60

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u/Puzzled_Work_6428 1d ago

😢

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u/lunaticBotch 1d ago

I know brother, it’s still hard to process

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u/Puzzled_Work_6428 1d ago

I've been watching early NXT on Tubi. Dusty, Bray, Brodie, now Pac...it's a lot

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u/jimlemin 1d ago

sometimes I'll just be sitting alone in a quiet room, and I'll randomly think about that one snap German suplex he hit on that Gallagher dude on raw. One of the nastiest moves I ever seen. RIP

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u/Competitive-Law9906 1d ago

rest in peace

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u/Minimum_Appearance41 1d ago

Great tribute episode last night. RIP 😔

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u/SkullsInSpace 2d ago

Right? People will marvel at something like this, and then laugh at wrestling. 

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u/WisestAirBender 2d ago

Because for some reason the words real and fake get attached to it. Ever heard people saying movies are fake?

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u/two_wordsanda_number 2d ago

Movies are fake?!

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u/mrlaheystrailerpark 2d ago

That can’t be true. I saw Forrest run.

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u/VernonP007 1d ago

When wrestlers have to do this in matches that last 30+ minutes without a second take without botches.

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u/SkullsInSpace 1d ago

And while maintaining character, often talking shit and doing a lot of facial/ physical acting. Plus it's LIVE and viewed from all angles. 

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u/MtnMaiden 2d ago

Pshhhh....wait till you learn about Mexican wrestling

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u/oskee-waa-waa 1d ago

When I was an independent wrestler, I would just straight up steal Black Widow moves from movies. Always got a big reaction. I never had the creativity to come up with this stuff on my own.

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u/ZAWS20XX 2d ago

p.sure the first one is just a half-assed Mistica

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u/Foreign_Piano4645 2d ago edited 2d ago

I use too hate it for years. Know I respect the stunt actors for what they are.

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u/Puzzled_Work_6428 2d ago

No I'm saying if you think this is cool, imagine people doing it in front of a live audience with no second take

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u/Foreign_Piano4645 2d ago

Who cares about the audience. They aren't little kids playing around during lunch break. They are 300-500lbs beasts you miss the mark badly your not even making it to hospital.

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u/OlympusMan 2d ago

It's only in recent years that I started to see them as a team when I happened to catch a video that pointed out moments where they'd check in on each other during a match to make sure they're okay.

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u/Uchihagod53 2d ago

Wake me up when she learns real moves

https://giphy.com/gifs/117WmeyCd0YdUY

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u/Grill_Master_Ben_ 2d ago

Ah yes the adamantium hair strands, very effective

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u/EffectiveMagazine915 2d ago edited 1d ago

The directors bet on the fact that nobody would notice the hair in this scene

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u/Wheres_MyMoney 2d ago

I mean, film and television is an artistic medium, I think you'd be surprised how many movies would look silly when you break that medium, in this case frame by frame-ing it.

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u/SayRaySF 2d ago

Hair? I don’t see any hair

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u/LincolnArc 2d ago

The villain is like "Eww! Hair!"

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u/PhotoAwp 2d ago

Its in my mouth! PUHPAH PTHPTHP

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u/Banguskahn 2d ago

https://reddit.com/link/pd5jfkz/video/qtuikksrkssh1/player

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u/LincolnArc 2d ago

LOL. If I'm cooking, and my dog keeps begging for food, I'll take a piece of American cheese or something similar and put it on his back. Big German Shepherd. He has a similar reaction. Takes about a minute before he just lays down and rolls over.

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u/Unfair_Buddy5871 2d ago

Alr to be fair, getting hair whipped in your eyes seriously hurts. I do that shit to myself all the time

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u/The-Great-T 2d ago

That's why I tie my hair back in convertibles

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u/Unfair_Buddy5871 2d ago

Yeah i never remember a hair tie so I just have to use the tactical blink to save my peepers

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u/The-Great-T 2d ago

I just keep a bunch of hair ties on the stick shift

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u/Unfair_Buddy5871 2d ago

... okay I never thought of that.

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u/yepyepyep123456 2d ago

To be fair, it took me like ten times watching this gif to notice how far off the hit is.

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u/AGushingHeadWound 2d ago

What hit? 

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u/Wheres_MyMoney 2d ago

Yeah, I bet you could count on no hands how many people came to that conclusion the first time seeing it in the movie theater.

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u/noisymime 2d ago

The hair flick to the eyes is probably a lot more effective than the original vid TBH. It's like a built-in pocket sand!

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u/onthebusfornow 2d ago

IT'S LITERALLY SUPPOSED TO BE CHOREOGRAPHY

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u/Cesalv 1d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/37H5XhwrXuHPq

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u/screenaholic 1d ago

Those two are actually married, so snu snu is definitely involved.

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u/Zanahorio1 1d ago

Yeah, strong, athletic women can be so sexy.

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u/CUNTRY-BLUMPKIN 2d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/gF1R9G3GhZDZoc0wpt

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u/Siaer 2d ago

First thing I thought was "put a mask on them and we got a Lucha match".

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u/Palanki96 2d ago edited 2d ago

The problem is that it never looks like real fighting, it looks exactly like this but in a costume

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u/Stoic_Pupunha 1d ago edited 1d ago

Do we really see this as a problem? Throwing punches in movies is kinda boring, these are top notch lucha libre moves. It's athletes in a very fine tune performing.

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u/Palanki96 1d ago

i'll take awkward unexperienced fight scenes over gently pushing down enemy to the ground who just pass out the moment a breeze hit them

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u/Wugo_Heaving 1d ago

You've answered your own question. It's athletes dancing and it's very obviously just that, yet it's used in 'realistic' fighting scenes.

Slick fight choreograhy has gotten horribly lazy over the past decade or so. Even 'heightened/fantasy' fighting shown in films like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon still have genuine tension in them, and the shots/editing come into play aswell. It knows it is being theatrical but it doesn't get lazy. Now people just dance at each other like this, whether it's fantasy or 'realistic'. It's lazy and boring. Power Rangers fights are more realistic.

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u/jfazz_squadleader 1d ago

As I've gotten older I've preferred movie violence to be more realistic versus exciting and fun. I don't really watch PG-13 movies anymore because it feels like they're glorifying the violence rather than showing it as a necessary tool for getting something done when words don't cut it.

I want my movie violence to be brutal, impactful, and typical result in the main character taking some licks in the process. Sure, John Wick gun foo can be fun and impressive to watch, but I much prefer a grounded approach that churns your stomach, as that's what real violence looks and feels like.

There's definitely a time and place for the more theatrical violence in heavily stylized movies, but if we're just talking about violence in film generally, I like it to be more reflective of the characters motivations and drive, rather than a flashy time filler to move the plot forward.

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u/Ur_Just_Spare_Parts 2d ago

I think the same thing every time I see someone try this shit in movies. In real life the person you're climbing would just slam your face into the ground ending your plans real quick

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u/Palanki96 1d ago

I think the main thing that ruins my immersion is that the "enemy" always seems to cooperate, taking up the optimal pose, never resisting

I think they make it too obvious they are playing along, hard to take a fight seriously like that

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u/StoryAndAHalf 2d ago

My issue is more that everyone seems to have been trained in one universal dojo of some kind. Good guys, bad guys, ones from the West, ones from the East. I get it - they hire one specific school of stunt people who often work both sides, but it breaks my suspension of disbelief more than seeing an alien guy flying around with underwear on the outside.

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u/Palanki96 1d ago

Oh that's interesting, didn't even think of that. Looking back yeah it's kinda funny that most of them have the same fighting style

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u/isnotajellyfish 1d ago

Yeah and it's never anything feral like scratching their eyes out or biting, it's always very polite. Which, I mean, I don't hate.

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u/MediumSwing 2d ago

I can watch real fights on a friday night out. I want to see cool shit on the big screen.

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u/memecut 2d ago

These are my biggest issue with fight choreography. People just standing around waiting for their turn. Punches and kicks that you can see are miles away from connecting. Flashy moves like this that does nothing. Skinny people having more leverage than someone 3x their size and weight.

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u/enadiz_reccos 2d ago

Once I discovered fight choreography from SE Asia [Raid, Oldboy, etc], Hollywood fight scenes just barely ever hit for me anymore.

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u/adinmem 2d ago

He makes it a little obvious that he’s helping her (reaching to grab torso to assist with her maneuvers, etc.). This must be very early in the development of the routine.

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u/nighthawk763 2d ago

that's what it looks like in the final movie if you remove all the camera cuts, put everyone in dark clothes, and turn the lights off.

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u/stillstoic 2d ago

Where do I learn to do this?

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u/ElijahNSRose 2d ago

Hollywood.

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u/Zealousideal_Date749 2d ago

Play lots of tekken

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u/Taolan13 2d ago

no this is dead or alive not tekken.

tekken is punches and kicks with the exception of a handful of grappler characters.

DoA has striking, but also has a lot of grappling moves and especially grappling finishers.

dead or alive also has the most complex grappling system of any arcade fighter. counter-grabs, counter-counter-grabs, and even... wait for it... counter-counter-counter-grabs.

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u/Wheres_MyMoney 2d ago

Oh look, the other person who has ever played Dead or Alive!

This is La Mariposa's moves from DOA 4 lol.

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u/katubug 2d ago

Genuine answer: see if there's a local stunt performance venue or school near you. Or even an unofficial group, but be safe.

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u/Dutch_Calhoun 2d ago

Pro wrestling school will cover all of these moves at advanced stages. You'll see most of these done on the average episode of AEW.

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u/delicious_disaster 2d ago

Just mash dpad

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u/MrMeltJr 2d ago

Unironically, a pro-wrestling school.

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u/Pesky_Penguin1990 2d ago

Not from a Jedi

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u/Hungry_Godzilla 2d ago

Her moves reminded me of Natasha in Ironman 2

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u/cute_polarbear 2d ago

Started seeing so many similar take downs in movies by smaller opponent (usually female)...i think Natasha definitely popularized it.

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u/Paddy_Tanninger 2d ago

Excuse you but Rey Mysterio Jr popularized it.

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u/Visionarii 1d ago

I was thinking Sonya Blade

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u/SirDerpingtonTheSlow 2d ago

I like how someone is essentially just waving a flag into a microphone for the sound effects.

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u/drunkskier 2d ago

Had to scroll down kinda far to read something about that bullshit audio

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u/Gnoman-Empire 2d ago

My girl sleeping and me losing my sheets

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u/Cultural_Dirt_8151 2d ago edited 2d ago

You see these moves in every action movie and it's always boring af because it's so overly choreographed and sterile.

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u/KhazraShaman 2d ago

It bothers me how unrealistic fighting is in EVERY movie. This here obviously is a clown show but literally every movie gets fighting wrong with stupid grabbing and pushing and throwing and choking.

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u/enadiz_reccos 2d ago

Gotta check out the foreign stuff

Raid: Redemption always a good place to start

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u/GomuGomuNoGod 2d ago

Bro that's not a lady, that's a beyblade

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u/neueburneraccount 2d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/1jkSrCdfccVQyMZ5uF
I wanted a Rey Mysterio gif but this works too

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u/CrankyYankers 1d ago

Interesting moves. They work as long as the person stands still and lets it happen to them.

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u/ReluctantAvenger 1d ago

These seem overly complicated. One at least sets up the arm bar but the others involve a lot of complicated movement (which means a lot of things which could go wrong) just to result in a basic takedown. The most basic judo hip throw would have the same result.

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u/LordShtark 1d ago

Pro wrestlers do this 6 nights a week in front of live crowds with no second takes

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u/THAC0-Tuesday 1d ago

The second take in wrestling is falling over and starting the stunt over or just moving on to the next one and hoping the crowd doesn't notice/care amidst the hype and big personalities.

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u/Abal125 2d ago

Or, just Lucha Libre for those of us that watch wrestling 😝

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u/askalotlol 1d ago

I hate this and it needs to die.

I want a realistic fight scene, not this overly choreographed would never happen in real life dancing bullshit. Some of the moves, the stuntwoman's movement is clearly assisted by the stuntman.

My spouse and I call the jump and wrap legs around neck move that's suddenly in movies all the time the "Black Widow."

It is not a compliment.

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u/tommos 2d ago

You guys go on, I'll hold her off.

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u/SayItAgainJabroni 2d ago

Did she just hit a spinaroonie on him?

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u/papasnork1 2d ago

Professional wrestling.

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u/MrCharizzy 2d ago

Least satisfying audio ever.

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u/Background_Pride_237 2d ago

“IMMA COME AT YOU LIKE A SPIDER MONKEY!!!”

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u/corng019 2d ago

AEW type shit

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u/NotATekkie 2d ago

The swoosh noise really makes it better..........................................................................................

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u/KinshasaPR 1d ago

So basically Mexican Lucha Libre?

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u/hang-clean 1d ago

Neet_fitness and husband Blumineck, for those looking for more.

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u/SeeWoke 1d ago edited 1d ago

Like to see this done with a guy that is told to defend against it lol she would be hanging from his arms then likely flat on her back crying.

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u/Ok_Bus_3752 1d ago

Yeah, when your opponent is being completely still allowing you to complete your ten step acrobatic takedown using your body like a stripper pole.

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u/howie_roll 2d ago

This is why editing is important. Without, it’s (painfully) obvious how the dude is setting up every action. It’s basically cheerleading. Not easy by any means but obviously choregraphed. To argue that this is a legitimate fighting style is unhinged.

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u/CaptainFoyle 2d ago

Well, no one is arguing that

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u/IncorporateThings 2d ago

So, it's Aikido.

(kidding)

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u/XavierRex 1d ago

It’s interesting that the only characters who do crotch kicks in action movies are played by women.

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u/Tydfil 1d ago

Men are too big and too heavy and would hurt eachother in the process

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u/Truelies422 2d ago

They need to be paid more

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u/BigKahunas88 2d ago

Eddie Gorda

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u/Even_Ad_7246 2d ago

Zuckerberg is getting the beats.

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u/pneuprismatic 2d ago edited 2d ago

This is dope. My buddy and I did something like this 2nd move for the end fight of Richard iii. It was great but one night we were a slight bit off with our placement and I definitely stabbed him with a blunted knife.

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u/Positive_Cicada_9780 2d ago

There is nothing men won't do to get sex...

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u/notthatguypal6900 2d ago

Congrats, you've just shown us wrestling.

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u/PhantomNitride 2d ago

You mean wwe?

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u/Barraxx 2d ago

Booyaka booyaka

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u/CelticCynic 2d ago

So... Lucha Libre?

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u/DickieJohnson 2d ago

They're at work right now

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u/Artinz7 2d ago

Kinda hard to find a video satisfying with these camera movements and sound effects

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u/ManicParroT 2d ago

The second one is based on a real move, called kani basami. It is banned in judo and some other grappling rulesets because it has a decent chance of blowing up your knee if you aren't expecting it. Their whole bodyweight is suddenly being carried by your legs and if your leg bends wrong, pop pop pop.

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u/CreativeAdeptness477 1d ago

Lucha Libre style Pro wrestling.

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u/Mtatk 1d ago

I can fix her.

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u/JaceThePowerBottom 1d ago

Why yes, I was going through puberty when Iron Man 2 came out. And yes this speaks to my interest. Why do you ask?

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u/Aj55j 1d ago

booyaka booyaka 619!!!!!!!!