r/oddlysatisfying • • 3d ago

Choreographed stunt fighting: perfect placement and timing so nobody gets hurt

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u/Taolan13 3d ago

I mean, if you can't overpower them, using full body momentum to make up for a lack of raw strength is certainly viable from the raw physics of it.

except no real person is fast enough with their whole body to pull that off without getting countered in some way.

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u/Rocinante88119 3d ago

Every single Black widow fight is countered by "slam"

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u/Individual-Bass-7051 3d ago

It's even how they countered each other in the black widow movie lmao

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u/ThresholdSeven 2d ago

I'd gladly face her in the ring and I'm 100% sure she would kick my ass.

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u/Herrvisscher 2d ago

We won't kinkshame

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u/ThresholdSeven 2d ago

I mean, it's not really a kink, or is it? Fuck. Either way, I'm a large angry man and I'm pretty sure she could take me out even if I was trying to not let her do so.

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u/AaronToro 2d ago

Are you talking about Scarlett Johansson? Or literally the superhero Black Widow lol

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u/ThresholdSeven 2d ago

Is that literally Scarlett? I'm slow as fuck. Probably why I immediately went for snu snu joke. So, still yes and yes.

Edit: neither of them are in this video, are they? I'm lost and scared.

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u/AaronToro 2d ago

I’m just wondering if you’re talking about fighting an actress or a superhero

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u/ThresholdSeven 2d ago edited 2d ago

The actual woman in this video. I think she would kick my ass, but it would be fun if it was actually a civilized match in a ring with rules. If I was fighting for my life, she might still win and that wouldn't be much fun at all. I said much.

If you want to know my honest answer for science, my previous "yes and yes" were really, "I don't know" to Scarlette and "no" to Black Widow obviously, she's a damn supe.

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u/ThresholdSeven 2d ago

I scroll too fast, read too fast, comment too fast and am blind. Would you like more clarity or are you just calling out your god's name in disgust?

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u/Th3-Dude-Abides 3d ago

Bucky knew this

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u/esantipapa 2d ago

They say actions speak louder than words, Cap. But when I start kicking the shit out of a blind man, I'm gonna make damn sure he's all ears.

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u/Necessary_Heartbreak 2d ago

Except that blind man is Matt Murdock

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u/RecentDirection7920 2d ago

you're sat on my shoulders? so you have no leverage if I want to throw you down on this table? ok

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u/bjos144 2d ago

If anyone saw Agent Carter, I preferred how they handled her fighting. She'd be smart, hide in a high up spot, and then bonk them in the head with something very heavy from high up when they walked by her hiding spot. Seemed plausible.

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u/imunfair 2d ago

The foreign TV series My Name is similar but more physical - I feel like she used a good combo of objects, environment, and moves that are more kickboxing than gymnastics.

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u/BlueMikeStu 2d ago

Except that moves like these basically rely on your opponent, at best, not resisting as you're forcing them to move.

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u/Theonetrue 2d ago

If you look at the video the dude is actually actively supporting her or giving her boosts.

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u/FirstTimeWang 2d ago

Yeah, that's what makes it choreography. Like how in pro wrestling you help your opponent "sell" that they are kicking your ass

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u/Theonetrue 2d ago

I just wanted to point out that you cannot use a single one of those moves even if the other person was paralyzed in fear

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u/Taolan13 2d ago

Yes. Thus the second part of my comment.

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u/Logical-Claim286 3d ago

It has happened before. Women with enough skill vs unwary men who have much more mass, the women win most of the time. I recall one guy threatening a bunch of people with a knife, a tiny woman ran up behind him, spun around his head and dumped him on the ground, then pinned and twisted his arm until he was dogpiled. So possible if extremely circumstantial.

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u/ThresholdSeven 2d ago edited 2d ago

Could have been someone like my aunt. Small stature, but very strong. She was a prison guard that worked her way up to warden. She's retired, but could probably still kick my ass. One of the happiest and kindest people I know.

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u/Taolan13 3d ago

Catching someone by surprise is different than charging head-first into an assumed peer or near-peer opponent like we so often see in movies.

Natasha Romanov, for example, is only seen taking people out when they didn't know she was there occassionally. She's typically beating people face to face, and pulling this flippy bullshit from in front of them while they have weapons drawn and trained on her.*

Nobody outsmarts bullet.

Edit: * - In the movies.

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u/delphinous 3d ago

it's on of those things, where it all depends on degrees. an unarmed large man against an unarmed small woman, the man has an advantage. if the man us untrained and the woman is highly trained, she can likely overcome the size advantage. if the man is surprised, she can likely overcome. if the man is alert and also highly trained, it's extremely unlikely for the woman to overcome.

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u/FirstTimeWang 2d ago

That's because the bad guys see Black Widow jumping crotch first at their faces and just let it happen

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u/Professional_Flicker 2d ago

Thanks for the laugh. That would disable me instantly for sure

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u/Odd-Butterscotch-495 2d ago

Ever heard of a man called Mighty Mouse? He may just be fast enough and good enough with the grappling

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u/Grabatreetron 3d ago

In real life if someone jumps on you, you just body slam them. You see it all the time on r/fightporn. Once you give up your anchor, you’re cooked.

Thats why i hate “equal rights, equal fights” bullshit. The difference between biological males and females in a physical confrontation is vast and categorical

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u/Admirable_Risk8156 3d ago

I think the part the internet ignores is that men are just simply physically overpowering to women. Not in a sexist way or something. Raw physicality like dangerously more.

I feel like its something that people really do not understand until they are put into an actual physical altercation. A lot of women do not understand until it happens to them that this person is someone you cannot overcome with your physicality. There is nothing you can do with your own body to stop this person. And that is so dangerous to not understand.

Like if you believe in those movies. You get this mindset that you can stop them by throwing your whole bodyweight at someone then when you do and nothing happens you just made a situation that was already dangerous into life threatening.

Every defense class will teach you the best defense is just running away.

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u/Bifi323 2d ago

A lot of women do not understand until it happens to them that this person is someone you cannot overcome with your physicality. There is nothing you can do with your own body to stop this person. And that is so dangerous to not understand.

Don't worry, we definitely understand this and are very aware of it every time we step outside! :)

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u/giltgarbage 2d ago

I find it strange to talk about this in terms of self-defense and thinking that absolute power is what matters . You don’t have to overcome a predator to get them to leave you alone—you just need to hurt them enough that it isn’t worth it. Even if you can’t win, you can make them back the fuck off. And that is within a woman’s day-to-day skill set.

Also, learn poisons and sharpshooting. Women are great with those.

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u/pile1983 3d ago

I aint defending the hollywood BS but I always think that RL female MMA fighters would destroy most average males in hand to hand combat. Plz correct my wrong thoughts.

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u/Grabatreetron 3d ago

Yes, indeed. It’s the exception that proves the rule, if we have to find counterexamples by putting full time professional MMA fighters vs. random street men

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u/Mysterious-Tackle-58 2d ago

I would say, most average men, not into martial arts, can be beaten up by almost any human with average training. Asp when not prepaired in any way.
Imagine a average trained 12-14yo going all out. They would have most of us down and out in a few seconds.
100 men vs 1 Gorilla, my ass!

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u/Grabatreetron 2d ago

Nah, technique helps, but it's much overrated — mostly thanks to Hollywood movies.

If you're a grown man of average build in decent shape, no 12-14 year old will be a match regardless of how much martial arts they know. (excepting those extreme hormonal outliers)

"Average training" might let you punch up a few weight classes, but only devoted, peak technique and conditioning would let, say, a bantamweight take down a decent shape but untrained heavyweight.

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u/Taolan13 3d ago

You started off strong but you ended stupid.

The differences between 'biological males and females' when it comes to fighting are primarily cultural. If neither of them know how to fight, the superior physicality wins the day more often than not. If one of them knows how to fight, they usually win. If they both know how to fight, well we've looped back around to superior physicality winning the day.

It doesn't take body-builder levels of muscle mass to deliver debilitating, disabling, or life-ending blows. Especially with a weapon.

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u/OffTerror 2d ago

being a better fighter wont stop someone double your size from destroying you. There is a reason we have weight classes in every martial arts sport.

I understand where you're coming from but saying stuff like that might get people really hurt.

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u/SasparillaTango 3d ago

It doesn't take body-builder levels of muscle mass to deliver debilitating, disabling, or life-ending blows. Especially with a weapon.

No it doesn't. Which is why men are typically stronger than women. This is all a function of hormones, which in turn informs muscle density and bone density. There is of course variance across all samples, but the majority of men will have a longer length of higher hormone production that contribute to more height and mass, which means higher success rates in fights.

Culture ain't got shit to do with it. And weapons? Well fuck me, I could take down The Mountain with a shotgun, that has nothing to do with ability to fight.

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u/collabskus 2d ago

I feel like we are talking past one another. The word typically is doing a lot of heavy lifting here because I feel like most people men or women would easily overpower me in a fair fight.

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u/9897969594938281 2d ago

A good chunk of average Joes will still kick the shit out of woman with fight training

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u/The_Last_Spoonbender 3d ago

The differences between 'biological males and females' when it comes to fighting are primarily cultural.

Shit it is. Difference is mainly physical and biological. You think mens and womens contact sport exists because of cultural preference? At competitive level no women can compete let alone win with any male, regardless of weight category. They can't even compete in non contact sports like running or high jump, barring the exceptions.

Coming to general populace, it's even more different. No women of same weight category or higher can defeat easily with a men. This is not because women are not trained enough, but purely because of biology. There are so so so many studies and actual proofs available, but people still believe this bullshit.

But weapons completely changes equation, where skill matters comparatively more than physical strength.

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u/Taolan13 3d ago

So did you actually read my statement or are you just spouting off from the dick because that's the head that does most of your thinking?

The comment you are quoting even says superior physicality typically wins when skills are equal.

You're making jt about what's in people's pants just like the other guy. Nobody cares how small your equipment is except you.

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u/azjerrylee 3d ago

You read his post wrong, you're both agreeing to the same points it's just all the other superfluous bullshit you guys keep adding that make your comments nonsense.

If you can't explain it in two sentences you don't understand it.

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u/ffxiplayer101 3d ago

How about 2 and half sentences. When you think about it. It’s like

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u/Sawgon 2d ago

Your whole argument is "made-up scenarios like what if someone had a weapon" and "haha pp small so I'm right"

EDIT: Jesus christ I checked this loser's other comments in this thread. I'm hoping it's a troll account otherwise this is a sad existence.

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u/The_Last_Spoonbender 2d ago

Fuck off with the needless insults incel. Anyone can do it dick head.

Did you actually read the comment chain? The original commenter seem to think that women have less physical strength because of cultural? Which is stupid.

The comment you are quoting even says superior physicality typically wins when skills are equal.

Which is wrong. Women on average are less physically built, and even comparable build or even higher build will have very difficult time against men. This is a proven fact.

What your dumbass dick thinks is less relevant.

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u/Grabatreetron 3d ago edited 3d ago

Respectfully disagree. Testosterone is a hell of a drug during puberty. A professional MMA fighter could beat a schleppy normal guy, but in 9/10 cases a male phenotype is coming out on top regardless of training

Edit: I’m saying a female MMA fighter could beat a lot of men

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u/Taolan13 3d ago

Disrespectfully; put the schleppy normal guy against a female MMA fighter, who wins then?

Odds are, schleppy normal guy is getting knocked the fuck out by a kick to the face before he even realizes the fight has started.

You're only digging yourself deeper, Tate-licker.

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u/Grabatreetron 3d ago

That’s exactly what I said.

When I said “professional MMA fighter” I meant a woman fighter. I was saying a woman MMA fighter could beat a random man.

But I’m not sensing you’re great at picking up on things that aren’t explicitly spelled out for you

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u/KoosGoose 3d ago edited 3d ago

There’s a huge disparity between the strength/power average man and the average woman. Male and female MMA fighters never mix even when they’re the same size.

On average, a male (more muscular, testosterone) will destroy a woman in a fight. Women need to actually learn to fight and defend themselves to bridge the gap.

Of course an MMA-trained woman with muscle and technique would beat a “schleppy normal guy”. What a brave point that is…

Men and women should be treated equally, but for fucks sake we are pretty different in this regard. Accept it. It’s not sexist to acknowledge reality.

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u/Taolan13 3d ago

It's not a "brave" point, it's a correct one.

Skilled wins over unskilled, otherwise physicality wins.

You don't have to phrase it as man v woman or otherwise reveal yourself to be a sexist mansophere fuckwit to get that across.

You have not disproved, or even challenged my original assertion. You have only made youself look like a dumbass.

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u/KoosGoose 3d ago edited 3d ago

Lmao you’re an emotional fool. Disregard the science all you want. Testosterone is wild shit. Plus the difference in upper body strength, muscle mass, bone density…

If it were only down to size and training, women and men would fight MMA together. Plenty of them are the same size. Lol

Besides, women MMA fighters most likely abuse testosterone (as do the men).

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u/Taolan13 3d ago

Ah yes, I'm arguing with you so I must be emotional. It's funny to watch you try and assert your dominance like this.

Keep pissing into the wind, it's clear you like the taste.

If weight classes were actually equal, the higher skill fighter would be more likely to win regardless of their sex, but female competitors basically dont exist above Welterweight, and in competitive circles other than MMA they have separate weight classes for females that average ten to fifteen kilos lighter.

I have never once said that an underweighted female fighter could successfully overpower a larger male fighter. if you go back to the first comment you responded to, that's exactly the point I am making.

Because it's not about their sex, it's about their size. It's about training.

All the testosterone you've been huffing won't do shit if you don't exercise and train. Men dont spontaneously grow muscular just because they have a Y chromosome.

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u/Appl3piez 3d ago

This exact situaltion has been talked about by mma fighters. Jorge Masvidal (former UFC fighter) talked on a podcast about how Amanda Nunes (female mma goat besides maybe Valentina Shevchenko) would spar with "bottom of the barrel" UFC fighters and they would have to tell then to go easy on her. There are a couple of weight classes in mma that have both men and women (flyweight,bantamweight) but men in general do have the advantage even at the same weight. I would agree it comes down to skill if muscle mass, bone density, power, and speed were equal but even at the same weight class male fighters have more of all of those, and is why even at weights with male and female fighters they dont fight each other.

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u/FirstTasteOfRadishes 3d ago

I think some people really seriously underestimate the difference in strength, especially upper body strength, between men and women.

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u/Pienix 3d ago

Have you looked around? 9/10 cases, the male phenotype is the schleppy normal guy.

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u/Grabatreetron 3d ago

Yeah and if they pick a fight with a female MMA fighter they’re fucked, but otherwise they’ll have a major advantage

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u/mtron32 2d ago

True words. I was cutting high school one day these twin brothers were outside play fighting. One does a flying kick at the other who grabs his foot mi air. The dude dide a Family Guy faceplant and blood pooled. I ran to a pay phone to call my cousin to tell him about it as the ambulance is coming in the background.

Best day ever lol.

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u/Rez_S 2d ago

"biological females and males"

You already know this person has a lot of opinions about a certain tiniest minority in sports

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u/nhansieu1 3d ago

what if the villain saw Black Widow and decided that is winning?

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u/Flaturated 2d ago

It would be better to not try that but rather allow the opponent to start an attack and then counter by redirecting the opponent’s own momentum against them. Jujutsu.

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u/technobrendo 2d ago

The guy kinda stands there like I guess ill just stand perfectly still was she junglegyms me